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dr ken

Ell-
You and Kim went a long way to explode so many of the typical bodybuilding myths of the day in an "up close and personal" style with many of the visitors we had at the factory. I assume that the nutrition end of things is still considered "vitally important" to many competitive bodybuilders and I hope you include a chapter or two that indicates that all of the truths of 1970 are still the truths of today nutritionally despite the "science" that the supplement manufacturers and distributors bring us. I recall trying to educate some guy, a well-built local contest winner type of physique guy from one of the southwestern states and I used one of your lines, one that you stated to a chiropractor that visited (before I went to chiro school) that tried to sell you on what was obviously some hocus-pocus method of diagnosing a back problem and you said, "I realize that you're sincere in your belief but you are sincerely wrong!" which summed it up perfectly. I was trying to tell this bodybuilder that you could definitely eat your way out of a physique title but you weren't going to eat your way into one, you had to train yourself into one and balance calories and activity to maintain the appropriate degree of definition and insure that you ingested all of the necessary nutrients.

He just didn't get it and then you walked in and asked if I wanted to go tubing with you and some others near Gainsville at some springs down there. You were eating a SALAMI SANDWICH, ON WHITE BREAD and this physiqe guy almost fell over. You were still very defined and carried a lot of muscle and were training regularly so looked terrific and this guy couldn't believe you would be eating this and you explained that you had some protein, some fat, some carbs, that you didn't often eat these cold cuts but it was a nice treat, it fit into your caloric balance for the day so what was the problem. He really thought you had to measure your apple to see if it was a "large" or "medium" apple to have proper nutrition. We did a lot of that, inadvertent education (Kim was more of "in your face" education which was very effective!)but like proper training, some times the truth is just too simple. I recall Bill, Mr. Kentucky, I certianly recall many of Arthur's bawdy stories which as outrageous as they seemed, were true (although I could never figure out why anyone would want to be with more than three women in any one evening), your friend Jerry who would throw up before every workout because he got so tense in preparation of going all out, the red-headed bodybuilder who must have driven 90 miles round trip three times a week to train with you, and so much more. Ell, you have to write this book!!!!
Dr. Ken
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Ellington Darden

Dr. Ken,

The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results doesn't get much into the nutrition side of things. You're right, however, many of the latest nutrition concepts are pushed by people who are "sincere, but sincerely WRONG."

Boy, was that tubing adventure fun.

Ellington
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Paul25

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Paul25 wrote:
Wolfie wrote:
john38 wrote:
The only mention I have seen where he contradicts that is in TNHIT.

Try to get a hold the "My First Half Century In The Iron Game" series. Written in the mid-90's, Jones talks about 2 full-body workouts a week. Even in his pre-Bulletin #1 unpublished material, he talks about it. And the need for individual experimentation vis-a-vis volume and frequency is always a caveat in all his works.


Hi,


"My First Half Century In The Iron Game" series" can be seen on Cyberpump in the Aurther Jones section. It's $12 a year to subscribe to Cyberpump.

Do they actually have the entire series? I remember it was incomplete last time I looked (quite some time ago).


Hi,
Cyberpump has issue #17 to 37.

Paul

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k38wood

gosh, Ken...you are right. There was an
amazing amout of characters that somehow showed up in Lake Helen those first years. You couldn't make these guys 'em up.

One the of funny things was that nobody
kept an accounting of who came down...and
every day was an adventure. The word had gotten out that something big was happening there and just about everyone in the "iron game"(or on the fringes of the "iron game") showed up in Lake Helen...and Arthur found time to talk to just about everyone (except those poor guys that Arthur didn't like the looks of right away(they usually wore jump-suits and gold chains) and he'd tell me to
"take him over to the Quonset and make
'em sore"

...legends like Gino San Rocco (MD cover-man) and pro-wrestling's Johnny Powers)... What a crew showed up there... guys like Ralph Sesso and his pals from Gordon Tech, Chicago, Randy Agnew(yes, that Randy Agnew), Dave Bjoras(Dave's Gym South Bend, Indiana... a wonderful man), Chuck Jolitz, John Kovach, Hank Breaker of Houston, Houston Perry of Bastrop,Dr. Bob Arnot, Sonny Thompson(Lord Thompson's wayward son),

Simon Meik from the UK, Track's Ed Wallace from Chicago, Jim Manion and his Pittsburgh crew,the man now known as Kevin Sullivan, Scott Cooper from Miami, Rudy Henderson(Jack Feather sent him down from Oakland, CA for Arthur to make him Mr. America), Alvin Roy,Ben Oldham(who is a good friend of mine today...

I met him and worked him and Harold Haiston out together at Deland High School 35 years ago!), Kathy Smith, Harry Schwartz, Dr. Julian Levine, Chuck Green, the Doctors Simkovich from Belle Vernon, Bruce Page, the real Bill Andrews, Rocky Bryan, Jim Bryan, Ken Wheeler, Mike Brown(yes,"Iron Claws" Mike Brown), Ronnie Barnes...

Man, this just scratches the surface of MY experience there...and add to it all the top bodybuilders of the day and wanna-be bodybuilders too...

It was really fun...a real education...with Arthur playing the "ring-master"role and spending quality time with almost everyone.




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dr ken

Ell- I'm glad I have time today and figured out how to post, so I can note the importance of your upcoming book and the New HIT that is currently out. I read Kim's comments and of course, Kim was the one who convinced me to go down to Lake Helen and hook up with Arthur and Nautilus. What was "different" and what was "going on" there was education.

I think this will sum it up: I was standing in a trench with muddy water up to my waist, digging the irrigation/sprinkler system for the new factory and office buildings. Ed Farnham came by with four or five people and he was giving them the tour. I had wanted to ask Ed a technical question about one of the machines, probably an Infi machine, maybe the Infi-Pullover that Arthur was "guinea-pigging" me on, and I asked something about the construction of the machine or perhaps something about the role of the serratus anterior rotating the scapulae.

One of the guests literally grabbed his head and almsot yelled, "Oh my gosh, even the laborers here are experts on exercise!" The point is that you were always talking about proper exercise and exercising and training others. I was always talking sets, reps, machine design, trying to teach others and training.

No one wanted to get too close to Kim because you knew he was going to just blast you with a hundred exercise-related facts you never knew before and then drag you into the factory gym or prototype shop and make you "live" those facts.

The workouts were great, Arthur would critique, scream, ask for more and then give you two hundred exercise related facts you never knew before. In short, it was ongoing immersion in the science of training and machine development but also the application of those training principles, right or wrong, that were being discussed.

That produced excitement and brought the many different types of people down, including such a disparate group like Randy Agnew (geez, the Vice President's daughter and I recall either Kim or Arthur in the most politically incorrect way stating that despite Spiro Agnew's ultra-conservative politics, his daughter was living, uh, for lack of a better term, an "alternative lifestyle" and long before this was public knowledge), Doug Beaver (3rd place in the Mr. A two weeks before I trained him), the tanned, gold-chained California guys, and everything in between.

You just don't have that anymore, everyone has to be "right" or "the smartest" or have their own version of HIT. Your New HIT awakens many to the fact that "something" significant happened between 1970 and 1976 or so and I am sure that the new book will allow everyone to gain part of the experience we lucky few had so that perhaps they can understand what will truly bring results to the majority.

Kim of course, can fill eight or ten chapters alone with "The Knuckleheads I Have Known At Nautilus" and it would be instructive!
Dr. Ken
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Fred F

New Jersey, USA

I am really enjoying this thread a lot. First time in my life I wish I were older and around in the early Nautilus days to actually experience it all first hand. Lucky for me my buddy Jim Bryan shares a lot of old stories with me.

I do remember my first "real" training experience which was at a Nautilus facility in Belmar NJ around 1976. Joel Waldman and Bernie (his last name escapes me but his wife Wendy was an Olympic swimmer) were the owners and they would kick my ass all the time. I was just about 16 and they taught me how to train hard using "Nautilus Principles".

The worst part of the workouts were when they had me do negative pullovers on the old plate loaded pullover machine. Arthur must have used a gorilla as a model for that thing because it was HUGE. I had to sit on 4 or 5 pads to get high enough to use the damn thing and even then it was too wide. I actually used the same exact machine last year and my abs and tris were as sore as my lats - just like I remembered.

Doc Ken, Kim - thanks for sharing your memories of "what was" - it furthers my appreciation for what you guys did to help "pave the way".

Dr. Darden, I look forward to reading your book.

Fred Fornicola

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john38

Oklahoma, USA

Wolfie wrote:
john38 wrote:
The only mention I have seen where he contradicts that is in TNHIT.

Try to get a hold the "My First Half Century In The Iron Game" series. Written in the mid-90's, Jones talks about 2 full-body workouts a week. Even in his pre-Bulletin #1 unpublished material, he talks about it. And the need for individual experimentation vis-a-vis volume and frequency is always a caveat in all his works.


Thanks, I'll check it out. As for unpublished material, I never really trust it. If it were something he thought was sincere, he would have but it in his published writings.
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john38

Oklahoma, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
I don't know how you guys can do 8-12 exercises (via total body) to absolute, total positive failure. I can only *really* do it for 4-5 exercises. Usually after a few sets of leg exercises, I am finished.

I think Mentzer had the right idea here (but eventually took it way too far). I think the Heavy Duty I routine is more practical for many.


Agreed! I can usually get seven-9 in Jones' original HIT routines(circuit style).
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Mark Mills

Ohio, USA

I am enjoying reading this thread and am looking forward to the book. Here's a picture of Doug Beaver mentioned above.
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Cherry

john38 wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
I don't know how you guys can do 8-12 exercises (via total body) to absolute, total positive failure. I can only *really* do it for 4-5 exercises. Usually after a few sets of leg exercises, I am finished.

I think Mentzer had the right idea here (but eventually took it way too far). I think the Heavy Duty I routine is more practical for many.

Agreed! I can usually get seven-9 in Jones' original HIT routines(circuit style).



We used to do 12-15 moving as quickly or quicker than Drew in his video. ALL were set-up in advance and several machines involved pre-exhaustion of the large muscle groups without ever leaving the seat! We feared the workouts and we'd finish in ~20 mins lying on floor in a pool of sweat and tears at the foot of that last machine. Alas those are the long-lost good ol days of rational training... :(
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hdlifter

Ellington... I have been keen about this book since earlier this year. When will it finally be released???
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Ellington Darden

hdlifter wrote:
Ellington... I have been keen about this book since earlier this year. When will it finally be released???


Look for a specific announcement to be posted on Friday, September 29th.

Ellington

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hdlifter wrote:
Ellington... I have been keen about this book since earlier this year. When will it finally be released???


Look for a specific announcement to be posted on Friday, September 29th.

Ellington

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davise

Doing a 12 circuit workout nonstop is a matter of metabolic conditioning. Most folks are used to doing a set and resting a minute or more.

I have to do this now because of my workout setup (freeweights) hence I have to do additional aerobics (for fitness folks, not weight loss...aerobics for weight loss is riduculous considering the amount of calories burned) since I have to rest too long between sets.

Many years ago when I had access to a nautilus specific gym, I did a 12 machine circuit nonstop 3 times a week which took about 20-25 minutes and I was muscular and fit without the need for additional activity. I can relate to what Cherry is saying.

I would be wiped out...face red, sweating buckets, muscles feeling like rubber. I felt like I had total fitness as well as hypertrophy from 20-25 minutes three times a week. Not a bad time investment for total conditioning. I miss those days.
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Ellington Darden wrote:
hdlifter wrote:
Ellington... I have been keen about this book since earlier this year. When will it finally be released???

Look for a specific announcement to be posted on Friday, September 29th.

Ellington



Great! You can bet I will!

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jacao

Ellington Darden wrote:
hdlifter wrote:
Ellington... I have been keen about this book since earlier this year. When will it finally be released???

Look for a specific announcement to be posted on Friday, September 29th.

Ellington



hi dr.darden

i hope i can get a copy of your book .im from the philippines.thanks
ariel
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k38wood

it was great fun being around Arthur during those early days at Nautilus...
and yes, there were many interesting characters showing up all the time..but the thing that I remember most was the intellectually stimulating atmosphere that Arthur seemed to build around him.
His real essence was bringing the world of thoughts and the world of actions very close together. He had great mental machinery and he was always "thinking" but also he was always "doing"...he was always rolling the dice in the real world(not just in the world of thought and dreams).

The atmosphere that surrounded Nautilus(originally. Arthur Jones Productions) was exhilarating and drew many outstanding people to Lake Helen...and like Dr. Ken mentions, it WAS focused on training (a thing that most who came there held in common).

Training and the subjects surrounding training were passionately encountered and embraced...people had the sense that something "important" was happening there...and that everyone was a part of "something big"...and they were.

Ah, they were fun times...
and Ell, I'm sure your new book will
capture the spirit those times and Arthur very accurately.
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Ellington Darden

Kim,

You're right. Arthur was a combination of "thinking" and "doing." He certainly was not afraid to roll the dice.

Ellington
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boldham

Kentucky, USA

I was one of the "fortunate" ones who ventured to Deland to experience the novel training methods. I had read everything available by Arthur Jones in IronMan and his Bulletin #1. Prior to my visit to Deland, I trained using the principles outlined in my readings and thought I'd be prepared for a truly edifying exercise experience.

My wife (who wanted to see first-hand what I had been talking about) accompanied me to Deland. It was then I met my lifelong friend Kim Wood for the first time.

I quickly came to an understanding that the printed text cannot adequately communicate HIT training. Following an exercise period that was light-years beyond what I had experienced previously in terms of intensity.

When we left Deland that evening, my wife informed me that I would not be returning after she got to experience her seemingly fit husband in a near-death experience. Needless to say, I returned with the support of my wife. In the brief time I was there, I experienced growth that far exceeded my expectations.

Although we lost contact for a period of years, Kim and I reconnected when the Cincinnati Bengals moved their summer trianing camp to Georgetown College where I am a faculty member. Although many pages had been torn off the calendar, Kim and I recognized each other and have developed a great friendship.

If anyone is interested in hearing the unedited truth about strength training, Kim Wood is the man with whom to communicate. A joint book project with Kim and Dr. Ken, a new friend, would be a treasure to all who love the iron game.
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Landau

Florida, USA

El - Kim - Ken: Just received footage of Arthur briefly training with his shirt off at Jumbolair. Looks like a spin of 60 Minutes. Rare take. David
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Ellington Darden

Landau wrote:
El - Kim - Ken: Just received footage of Arthur briefly training with his shirt off at Jumbolair. Looks like a spin of 60 Minutes. Rare take. David


David,

I'd like to see the footage on your next visit to Orlando.

Ellington

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JimBryan

Florida, USA

This has been very interesting. I'm looking forward to the Book. That was indeed a special time. From 1970-1973/74 I traveled up to Deland/Lake Helen 2 or 3 days a week. The trip was about 2 hours each way.
When we got the then available Nautilus equipment at our local College, I was making the trip up less frequently. I ran a program at the College and had the equipment for my use.
The old stories are fun to hear. Ken has one about him and Arthur that is the funniest I've heard. There are plenty of stories and I just appreciate being a small part.

Arthur and I went off in his Caddy sometimes just to talk. He had a wide and varied amount of knowledge. I enjoyed the visits and training.
It was always a blast seeing Kim and Casey. I didn't get to meet Ken, I was not making the trip up there by then.
A great time in my life. Many life time friends made. Again, looking forward to the book.
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Ellington Darden

JimBryan wrote:
This has been very interesting. I'm looking forward to the Book. That was indeed a special time. From 1970-1973/74 I traveled up to Deland/Lake Helen 2 or 3 days a week. The trip was about 2 hours each way.
When we got the then available Nautilus equipment at our local College, I was making the trip up less frequently. I ran a program at the College and had the equipment for my use.
The old stories are fun to hear. Ken has one about him and Arthur that is the funniest I've heard. There are plenty of stories and I just appreciate being a small part.

Arthur and I went off in his Caddy sometimes just to talk. He had a wide and varied amount of knowledge. I enjoyed the visits and training.
It was always a blast seeing Kim and Casey. I didn't get to meet Ken, I was not making the trip up there by then.
A great time in my life. Many life time friends made. Again, looking forward to the book.


Jim,

I remember Arthur, several times, talking about you. And I too recall that big, tan Cadillac of his. Thanks for joining in the discussion.

Ellington

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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Darn this is a good thread!

Regards,
Andrew
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Ellington Darden

Question for the old-school Nautilus buffs:

Who was Bill Bradford?

It would be interesting to get him to join our discussion.

Ellington
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