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the_iron_goose

Diet is not really my thing...apparently there are many people like me whether they admit it or not, but that would be a digression.

Anybody have any positive experiences with being in ketosis or any comments at all in connection with ketosis?

What does it feel like to be in ketosis?

I believe ketogenic diets are much like atkins diets or low carb diets.

I am actually surprised not only that I never posted on ketosis, but that in general I have not seen many posts on ketosis throughout the years.

Is this board absent of people who have experience with it...because nobody talks about it?

I personally do not have any acquaintances with anyone who has personal experience with ketosis.

Years ago I investigated to the point of searching for what being in ketosis feels like and I saw comments on other boards that it feels like having an abundance of energy. I can't say low carb dieting has ever given me the feeling of having an abundance of energy. Years ago I did buy some urine activated keto sticks and was unable to ever discover a time when I was in ketosis according to a keto stick even though I did lose a lot of weight.

So my absence of knowledge, experience, and understanding with regard to ketosis remains.
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Nwlifter

I know a lot of people (via internet) who run on keto. I never checked, but am sure I was for a while. I did feel really energetic and it's different than just low carb. Low carb is just low carb but your body is still running on carbs so you lose energy, when you go into keto, your body switches to ketones for energy, that's when you get the energy.

Check the forum 'Active lowcarbers', there are tons on there who use keto adaption, some have some great muscle too. Turpin on here I bet is in keto with his diet and it sure didn't harm him.

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ron33

several yrs back I tried a diet that put you in ketosis ,all I can remember is having to urinate a lot in middle of night , and I think that's when I developed kidney stones ...don't remember much more, didn't stay on it very long..
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Nwlifter

ron33 wrote:
several yrs back I tried a diet that put you in ketosis ,all I can remember is having to urinate a lot in middle of night , and I think that's when I developed kidney stones ...don't remember much more, didn't stay on it very long..


That sounds like it for sure, massive water loss and some do get kidney stones, I remember reading something needs to be increased to prevent them on keto, some vitamin .. C? Can't remember.

I really don't think anyone, except for diabetes blood sugar management or a few other medical condtions, needs to be on keto, but low carb is for sure healthier than high carb. Weight gain with high carb is the scary thing. All that increased palmitate in the blood, leads to ceramide formation and insulin resistance, etc.

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HeavyHitter32

Nwlifter wrote:
ron33 wrote:
several yrs back I tried a diet that put you in ketosis ,all I can remember is having to urinate a lot in middle of night , and I think that's when I developed kidney stones ...don't remember much more, didn't stay on it very long..

That sounds like it for sure, massive water loss and some do get kidney stones, I remember reading something needs to be increased to prevent them on keto, some vitamin .. C? Can't remember.

I really don't think anyone, except for diabetes blood sugar management or a few other medical condtions, needs to be on keto, but low carb is for sure healthier than high carb. Weight gain with high carb is the scary thing. All that increased palmitate in the blood, leads to ceramide formation and insulin resistance, etc.



It depends on the type of carbs though. There is a big difference between eating bleached white flour and processed sugar (which I assume you meant by "high carb") versus carbs of fruit, vegs, and grains...you are not going to get fat on these type of carbs, trust me. The fiber alone will prevent you. My diet is about 50-60% of these carbs with the rest split between fats & protein. My bodyfat is in the low teens and I'm almost 45. My diet is really more of a Mediterranean diet as I have my share of protein (leaner types) and healthier fats (such as from nuts, natural nut butters, olive oil, 88% cocoa dark chocolate).
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Nwlifter

Slower digesting carbs come from healthier foods for sure, but what is considered a high carb diet (like 70% or more), is still a lot of glucose processing and higher insulin levels. Where things can do south, is IF the person gains too much weight, with a high carb diet, that's when the extra carbs are converted into palmitic acid (palmitate) by the liver. Palmitate, when store/esterfied by liver, muscle and pancreas cells, create ceramides which lead to insulin resistance. The thing is, no matter what the carb came from, once the gut breaks it down into glucose and releases into the blood stream, it's still 'glucose'.

But, you mentioned Mediterranean diet, which usually means olive oil and that is very protective against these effects. (Oleate negates ceramide formation when palmiate is esterfied)

Google palmitate and ceramides, or palmitate and insulin resistance.

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Nwlifter wrote:
ron33 wrote:
several yrs back I tried a diet that put you in ketosis ,all I can remember is having to urinate a lot in middle of night , and I think that's when I developed kidney stones ...don't remember much more, didn't stay on it very long..

That sounds like it for sure, massive water loss and some do get kidney stones, I remember reading something needs to be increased to prevent them on keto, some vitamin .. C? Can't remember.

I really don't think anyone, except for diabetes blood sugar management or a few other medical condtions, needs to be on keto, but low carb is for sure healthier than high carb. Weight gain with high carb is the scary thing. All that increased palmitate in the blood, leads to ceramide formation and insulin resistance, etc.



It depends on the type of carbs though. There is a big difference between eating bleached white flour and processed sugar (which I assume you meant by "high carb") versus carbs of fruit, vegs, and grains...you are not going to get fat on these type of carbs, trust me. The fiber alone will prevent you. My diet is about 50-60% of these carbs with the rest split between fats & protein. My bodyfat is in the low teens and I'm almost 45. My diet is really more of a Mediterranean diet as I have my share of protein (leaner types) and healthier fats (such as from nuts, natural nut butters, olive oil, 88% cocoa dark chocolate).


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HeavyHitter32

Nwlifter wrote:
Slower digesting carbs come from healthier foods for sure, but what is considered a high carb diet (like 70% or more), is still a lot of glucose processing and higher insulin levels. Where things can do south, is IF the person gains too much weight, with a high carb diet, that's when the extra carbs are converted into palmitic acid (palmitate) by the liver. Palmitate, when store/esterfied by liver, muscle and pancreas cells, create ceramides which lead to insulin resistance. The thing is, no matter what the carb came from, once the gut breaks it down into glucose and releases into the blood stream, it's still 'glucose'.

But, you mentioned Mediterranean diet, which usually means olive oil and that is very protective against these effects. (Oleate negates ceramide formation when palmiate is esterfied)


I agree with you. This issue is gaining weight or getting fat.

I really don't eat a lot of olive oil - just a little on my salad. I would say the bulk of my fat is from natural dark chocolate (low in sugar) high in cocoa and nuts in one form or another. By the way, my resting glucose is around 75-80 which is very normal. It's even measured in the 60s before. My triglycerides are only 57.

But, yes, anytime someone gains weight getting fat, they are going to run into problems. If you or I were eating 5000 calories a day of protein and fat, it would be an issue and our glucose levels would be very high.

Metabolic syndrome is the larger issue.

Interestingly enough, I was reading about how vegans whose diets are obviously very high in carbs tend to have good glucose levels. (Not that I recommend such a diet, but just saying). It's all about balancing because their calories levels are under control from not eating much fat and no protein and they stay lean enough.


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Nwlifter

Right for sure. Staying lean is the key, and that's what helps avoid metabolic syndrome. Carbs converted to palmitate are only an issue if that causes visceral fat accumulation and for those who's metabolisms tend to lean toward metabolic issues.



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Nwlifter wrote:
Slower digesting carbs come from healthier foods for sure, but what is considered a high carb diet (like 70% or more), is still a lot of glucose processing and higher insulin levels. Where things can do south, is IF the person gains too much weight, with a high carb diet, that's when the extra carbs are converted into palmitic acid (palmitate) by the liver. Palmitate, when store/esterfied by liver, muscle and pancreas cells, create ceramides which lead to insulin resistance. The thing is, no matter what the carb came from, once the gut breaks it down into glucose and releases into the blood stream, it's still 'glucose'.

But, you mentioned Mediterranean diet, which usually means olive oil and that is very protective against these effects. (Oleate negates ceramide formation when palmiate is esterfied)


I agree with you. This issue is gaining weight or getting fat.

I really don't eat a lot of olive oil - just a little on my salad. I would say the bulk of my fat is from natural dark chocolate (low in sugar) high in cocoa and nuts in one form or another. By the way, my resting glucose is around 75-80 which is very normal. It's even measured in the 60s before. My triglycerides are only 57.

But, yes, anytime someone gains weight getting fat, they are going to run into problems. If you or I were eating 5000 calories a day of protein and fat, it would be an issue and our glucose levels would be very high.

Metabolic syndrome is the larger issue.

Interestingly enough, I was reading about how vegans whose diets are obviously very high in carbs tend to have good glucose levels. (Not that I recommend such a diet, but just saying). It's all about balancing because their calories levels are under control from not eating much fat and no protein and they stay lean enough.




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the_iron_goose

Nwlifter wrote:
Right for sure. Staying lean is the key, and that's what helps avoid metabolic syndrome. Carbs converted to palmitate are only an issue if that causes visceral fat accumulation and for those who's metabolisms tend to lean toward metabolic issues.



HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
Slower digesting carbs come from healthier foods for sure, but what is considered a high carb diet (like 70% or more), is still a lot of glucose processing and higher insulin levels. Where things can do south, is IF the person gains too much weight, with a high carb diet, that's when the extra carbs are converted into palmitic acid (palmitate) by the liver. Palmitate, when store/esterfied by liver, muscle and pancreas cells, create ceramides which lead to insulin resistance. The thing is, no matter what the carb came from, once the gut breaks it down into glucose and releases into the blood stream, it's still 'glucose'.

But, you mentioned Mediterranean diet, which usually means olive oil and that is very protective against these effects. (Oleate negates ceramide formation when palmiate is esterfied)


I agree with you. This issue is gaining weight or getting fat.

I really don't eat a lot of olive oil - just a little on my salad. I would say the bulk of my fat is from natural dark chocolate (low in sugar) high in cocoa and nuts in one form or another. By the way, my resting glucose is around 75-80 which is very normal. It's even measured in the 60s before. My triglycerides are only 57.

But, yes, anytime someone gains weight getting fat, they are going to run into problems. If you or I were eating 5000 calories a day of protein and fat, it would be an issue and our glucose levels would be very high.

Metabolic syndrome is the larger issue.

Interestingly enough, I was reading about how vegans whose diets are obviously very high in carbs tend to have good glucose levels. (Not that I recommend such a diet, but just saying). It's all about balancing because their calories levels are under control from not eating much fat and no protein and they stay lean enough.






I can get fat and stay fat on pure protein.
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HeavyHitter32

the_iron_goose wrote:
I can get fat and stay fat on pure protein.


Yup and watch your glucose levels go up too.
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Grant D.

Yes, me I eat near zero carbs (most months) and can count on an increase in mental acuity in speed of thought processing (test IQ increases) and incredible healing and health powers i.e. cuts heal super fast, no colds, no flu, no illness, etc. A hidden benefit is that thisallows your body to maintain (akak heal and fight) it's hidden issues that will eventually manifest/overtake itself into illness, diseases, disorders, cancers, etc.
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Grant D.

TIG

... "fat on pure protein" ... that is because one's calorie consumption must increase to effectively satiate a low carb / high protein diet. One must consume a lot of fat to satisfy one's appetite on a low carb diet. You cannot trade carbs for protein without extreme hunger and eventually excess calories
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