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"Doing more exercise with less intensity,"
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must be done . . . and quickly."
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hdlifter

BFBullpup wrote: So true, especially in this forum.

I wouldn't be so hasty to put everyone in the same basket. I did a stint with a hypnotist early 90's to up my coping levels in the pain-zone. Hence, I have had workouts where I've blacked out! In one I went blind and lost the use of both arms for a period of time. If you can beat that then I'd sure like to see it!?

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HamsFitness

hdlifter wrote:
BFBullpup wrote: So true, especially in this forum.

I wouldn't be so hasty to put everyone in the same basket. I did a stint with a hypnotist early 90's to up my coping levels in the pain-zone. Hence, I have had workouts where I've blacked out! In one I went blind and lost the use of both arms for a period of time. If you can beat that then I'd sure like to see it!?



dude that sounds just evil - funny but evil:)

Ham
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k38wood

When I first went down to Florida for the first time I bumped into Arthur in the parking lot at Deland High School. I had met him in Culver City the previous summer at the Weightlifting "Nationals" when he first exhibited the "Blue Monster" but had never spoken to him "one-on one"... He asked why I was there...

After I told him he looked me in the eyes and almost out of the blue said "most people talk but they don't have a fucking thing to say...only talk to me if you have something to say..."

With the memory of those eyes burning into me I was always careful about what I had to say when I was around Arthur. For some reason after reading many of the posts on this board the last few days I remembered what Arthur told me...


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hdlifter

Wizard wrote:
Dude that sounds just evil - funny but evil:)

Ham


I must admit that last one scared me a bit as I was unable to function for at least 20-30 minutes, my sight took at least 10 minutes or so to return. It was a killer workout... almost too much!
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AI1963

dr ken wrote:
I appreciate what I'll take as a compliment in that you think I have or should have a book but I don't have one, never did, not planning to ever write one. I'll leave that stuff to Ell and Kim.
Dr. Ken


Dr. Darden: I greatly enjoyed "The New Intensity Training", have been (impatiently) awaiting your latest work. It sounds as if it may be your best to date - and that's saying something, IMHO. Here's hoping the book is wildly successful.

Dr. Ken: Take this as a compliment: Many of us wish you'd reconsider your stance with regards to writing a book. Your Steel Tip newsletters were (ARE) great; timeless information is always valid. But I think a new generation would benefit from seeing your philosophy of strength training restated while those of us already familiar might find new inspiration, maybe even learn a thing or two. And all would enjoy stories told in the Leistner style.

Your performance in the workout shown on the "Hard Training With Dr. Ken" tape still amazes me.

And while I buy very few fitness or bodybuilding magazines these days, a recent "Maximum Fitness" cover blurb caught my eye...The first and probably the last issue of that magazine I bought was solely due to the article that featured you. The last page alone was worth the purchase price. DAMN!

Finally I love the fact that two leading HIT advocates - Drs. Darden and Leistner - have found more things uniting them than dividing them.

Continued success and good health to you both.
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dr ken

Finally I love the fact that two leading HIT advocates - Drs. Darden and Leistner - have found more things uniting them than dividing them.

Thank you for the very kind and probably overstated kind words. Ell has earned his spot as the expert in the field. He has the education, hands-on experience, his own training, and the successful training of hundreds who he personally guided to their goals to speak for him and as Kim reiterated to me only in the last day or two, Ell truly was the voice for Arthur and Nautilus that allowed the word of effective exercise to be spread to the public. However, the one often overlooked influence in the field is Kim. He was the first full time salaried NFL strength coach and an entire generation or two of those who entered the field considered him to be the Godfather. Many of the training principles that are applied to the direction of team-oriented HIT originated with Kim and while not as "public" as Ell's books or my articles may have made the two of us, everyone went to Kim for answers for about a twenty-five or thirty year period of time. I have clearly stated that he was the one who convinced me to meet and if possible, work with Arthur and in founding both the most successful of the Nautilus franchises and then founding Hammer Strength and very much helping to design the equipment, he altered the field in ways similar to Arthur. Many of the Nautilus training maxims were codified by his work with the Bengals and then incorporated into Ell's writings or company "training and exercise policy". If Ell was the voice of Nautilus and he was, Kim was very much the Wizard behind the curtain but a Wizard with substance who did real work that was important. Its safe to say that Nautilus, despite Arthur's tremedous gifts of innovation and intellect, would not have been nearly what it was without Kim or Ell and they are the ones who should be sharing their experiences, not me. However, your words of praise are certainly appreciated.
Dr. Ken
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Yes

k38wood wrote:
after I told him he looked me in the eyes and almost out of the blue said "most people talk but they don't have a fucking thing to say...only talk to me if you have
something to say..."


lol, what exactly did you tell him? :-D
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Just had a quick question for some of the old-timers from the early nautilus days. On another thread there is a big debate going on rep cadence.

When everyone was experiencing there gains under AJ's training, what cadence was he making you use.

Someone has made the accusation that AJ had people using rather explosive movements. More explosive then Dorian Yates blood and guts video. Figured I would go to the source to find out if there was any truth to this.
Thanks

Michael
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Ellington Darden

Concerning proper form in the 1970s . . .

On the main Web site page, under the section New HIT Articles, read Drew Baye's interview of me (Part 1). In it I point out that Jones himself trained with impeccable form. But when he trained others, he was more interested in intensity than form.

For best results, you need both.

But again, as I state in that interview, in my opinion, most trainees today need to work more on their form. Once they master proper form, then it's much easier to connect with the intensity, than trying to do it the other way around.

Ellington
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k38wood

Thanks, Ken for your kind words.I'm not sure if the "Wizard" status fits but I was in a unique position relative to knowing Arthur and working
in the "strength business"...and I did
work for a long time in the NFL.

Actually, I'm over 60 now and I've avoided having a real job the whole time('cept raising four kids).

Looking to the past can be a funny deal...I'd rather focus on "right now"...but understanding the past is very valuable for us now. If you look
at what was happening in the strength training world just prior to "Arthur's
arrival"(the Iron Man articles) you'd see that very little was going on...
strength training was stagnant...the whole thing was runnin' on empty.

Arthur's ideas goosed things up big time. If you liked him or if you didn't you had to deal with him. His arrival forced every-one to start thinking. His approach was seen as "radical" but of course, it really wasn't...he just asked the basic questions and tried to see things as they really were. He started at the beginning.

These days, strength training is a huge cultural phenomenon but a phenomenon without a soul...it's empty as hell. If there's any direction it's headed it's a bad direction.

The time is right for Ell's new book on Arthur...the time is opportune for a return to the basics...now is the time to quit being silly and to dig down and see what's there...

To the guy who asked me what I told
Arthur in the parking lot at Deland High School: I told him I was there to learn.
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dr ken

I'll echo Ell's statement. Arthur trained, as Ell and Kim described, with what I would describe as a grim adherence to good form. He was totally focused the few times I saw him train with an immersion in what he was doing.

Kim had been the first one to "slow down" my form so to speak, especially with me coming from a football/powerlifting background so that when I arrived in Florida, I had the "under control" attitude towards each rep but Arthur was all about squeezing as much "work" out of you, and certainly out of me as one of the "demonstrators" when coaches or bodybuilders came in to inspect or learn about the equipment.

Form was important in that at least with me and others that I saw Arthur train, he did not allow anything close to explosive movements but if you needed to "hump" the last few reps after going to what he thought was absolute failure/fatigue for "X" number of strict reps, he wanted those reps. When Ell trained me, or others, he was seeking a stricter adherence to form and cadence.

I don't recall that we had a specific "count" of "X" seconds up and "Y" seconds down, it was that we didn't throw or jerk any of the resistance to completion, it was always paused by making a conscious effort to contract the involved muscles, and always, despite fatigue, etc, demonstrated control upon the return.

Believe me, this was revolutionary stuff from 1970-1974 because everyone, bodybuilders, lifters, athletes were heaving and jerking weights all over the place.

Ell would stand there and count, "six, seven, seven, seven, eight..." and you would finally go "what the hell is the problem with my reps?", usually to yourself and occasionally to Ell. He just may not have thought your control was good enough to allow it to count!

Arthur was not as "strict" in his demands as Ell but as hard as Ell might make you work, with no offense here Ell, Arthur would get that gleam in his eye and you could see for lack of a better term, he was just looking to fuck someone up.
Dr. Ken
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k38wood

It's lifting weights for godssake.
It's always a mental balancing act between
maximum effort and best quality form...
Arthur's ideas on "rep speed" were always to strive to move the weight
at a "constant speed"(and certainly not to throw it...).
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Paul25

Hi, Darden have you a rough estimate of when the new part2 gets posted today?

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Ellington Darden

Paul25 wrote:
Hi, Darden have you a rough estimate of when the new part2 gets posted today?



There are multiple changes to the Web site, as well . . . so I'm hoping that they get accomplished by late afternoon.

Ellington

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Paul25

Many thanks for the kind update!
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nat

Is part 2 still coming out tonight?
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Ellington Darden

nat wrote:
Is part 2 still coming out tonight?


It looks like there are several technical issues that must be taken care of . . . so it will probably be next week now. Sorry.

Ellington

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HamsFitness

Ellington Darden wrote:
nat wrote:
Is part 2 still coming out tonight?

It looks like there are several technical issues that must be taken care of . . . so it will probably be next week now. Sorry.

Ellington



Lame
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k38wood

Hey, guys: Ell's written a wonderful
book...it's gotta get printed and he has to make adjustments with his web-site so he can sell it...in a few weeks
everybody here will get their copy
and they will enjoy it a whole bunch.
Be respectful. Be patient. Always
show class.
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PHS

Come on, Wizard, what was lame was your post. That didn't need to be said and was uncalled for. You have no idea what obstacles are involved and ought to apologize for making an insulting and presumptuous comment.

Yeah, this latest book from Dr. Darden has been a difficult delivery. But I am sure he is as disappointed with the hurdles and delays as you are and everyone else is. And I am equally sure he is doing whatever he can to expedite things. But I would rather have quality than quick.

Be thankful that the book is coming and that someone has put the information and research together to advance a topic that is important to us all. Nobody owes us this stuff, so be appreciative it is coming at all.
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nat

Dr. Darden,


Could part 2 appear anytime next week or just on Friday? Do you still expect the book to be in the warehouse on Oct.16?
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Ellington Darden

nat wrote:
Dr. Darden,


Could part 2 appear anytime next week or just on Friday? Do you still expect the book to be in the warehouse on Oct.16?


The problems are not with the book. The book will be in the warehouse by October 16. The problems are with the various technical skills that are required for changing a Web site . . . and the things that are necessary to make a Web site SECURE for the taking of orders by credit card.

As soon as those requirements are achieved, Part 2 will be posted.

Ellington

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NEW_AT_HIT

DR Darden,

I am almost a PHD in computer science.

If you need any help with this website, just let me know.

... Charlie
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Paul25

Ellington Darden wrote:
nat wrote:
Dr. Darden,


Could part 2 appear anytime next week or just on Friday? Do you still expect the book to be in the warehouse on Oct.16?

The problems are not with the book. The book will be in the warehouse by October 16. The problems are with the various technical skills that are required for changing a Web site . . . and the things that are necessary to make a Web site SECURE for the taking of orders by credit card.

As soon as those requirements are achieved, Part 2 will be posted.

Ellington



Many Thanks Ellington for your time updating us.

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crusher d

I'm sure it is worth the wait. Besides, the longer the wait, the longer the thread gets, and the more we learn from Dr.D,Dr.Ken, and Kim. That alone is worth the price of the book. Besides, what these three have written about the early beginings of Nautilus so far, has been a book. Thanks for the great stories guys, and keep them coming.
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