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Dan_The_man wrote:
Why so defensive? Take a deep breath and get off your high horse. I was asking a question not suggesting anything, if you can't take it that way that's your problem, no one else's.

I answered one of my own questions anyways. I deadlifted 180kg quite easily when wearing a belt. There's no way at this time I would have been able to do that with no belt. Whether it's better for overall growth or not I have no idea.


500lbs x 10 NO BELT !!
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=dfD1TGCNSZo

A belt is a tool , if you don't have the strength in the first instance a belt will not give you it.

T.

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Turpin

Dan_The_man wrote:
Why so defensive? Take a deep breath and get off your high horse. I was asking a question not suggesting anything, if you can't take it that way that's your problem, no one else's.



OK So what `other factors` other than training and diet were you referring to Dan ?

I've been training 35+yrs with varying success with different training approaches. I personally wasted a lot of time post injury in an attempt to find a method that was `safe` and pursued HIT for a period and subsequently my physique went from being muscular and well defined to a deconditioned mess. I evaluated my training once more and began pursuing more volume and frequency and once more my physique changed ( for the better ) . I began to experiment and dared to try with the powerlifts once more , to-date these lifts form the basis of my training BUT I am still experimenting ( with diet , insulin sensitivity , intensity , density and volume ) and am meticulous in my method .. have to be at 50yrs.

T.

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Dan_The_man

You don't have to prove anything to me.

I personally think if it's a maximum lift you're going for a belt is necessary as there is a definite cut off point between what is possible with and without.

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StuKE

I think belts are not necessarily needed, I used them for years - often a huge powerlifting type and as definitely of the mindset that one was required, but somewhere along the way I slowly dropped the belts and for well over 15 years I have not used one. I have done press with more than my bodyweight for reps, a partial deadlift of nearly 3.5 times bodyweight and 20 rep squats with 1.75 bw etc with no problems. I am not suggesting these are great pound ages, but they were decent enough for me.
For those who do use belts, if you prefer them, then I don't see a problem either.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I can match you in the squat, but I would have to deadlift 700 pounds, lol. That ain't gonna happen.
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Turpin

Back today in training :

Heavy Deadlifting ( trap bar ) has really emphasised the thickness over the past few years . TBH I feel since training for strength again and not for physique purpose my physique has realised more progress. That said , I would never wish to be strong and look like a bag of shit.

T.
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gdm

Great Franco Colombo back you got there.Very impressive.
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Equity

Turpin!!! Stop doing that immediately, you'll take off!!! Lol!

Good job!
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StuKE

Wow, very impressive. How old did you say you are?
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Turpin

30+ years apart ... looks like completely different makeup/genetics.

T.
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Equity

Turpin wrote:
30+ years apart ... looks like completely different makeup/genetics.

T.


Just goes to show that you don't know what you'll look like until you actually get there. Like you say, looks like someone else's back shape wise, thickness overall, and especially the lower lats as the bellies appear much longer.
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StuKE

Hi
I started reading this thread from the beginning a few days ago and have been on't know if anyone has ever documented workouts and progression with photos so thoroughly before, so great job!
I am only on page 19 and mistakenly thought there were only 20 odd pages, so when I got ahead of myself and skipped to the end to see how you looked, I was amazed to see just how long this thread has been going, how much I still have to read and most of all, I was shocked by how your physique looks now. I'm a good way, I should point out!
Could not help but notice you seem to be training very differently now, unless I am mistaken. I do intend to keep reading from page 19 but could you possibly very briefly summarise how things have changed in your approach?
Keep up he great work, this is probably the best thread - no make that the best info I have ever read on training.
Stu
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StuKE

Damn, I'm a bit miffed that I typed s all out and posted and seem to have lost it! Oh well, will do it again and hopefully the original will not suddenly appear and There will be 2 posts more or less the same!
I think what you have done is amazing, not just the gains but the thoroughly documented workouts, together with pictures and discussion. Amazing and I honestly don't think anyone has done it so well before.
I have enjoyed reading this, a, on page 20 now but thought it only had around 25 pages, so was shocked when I saw how many there really are and couldn't help myself, skipping to the last page. The pics on there are amazing you have made astounding progress and although I will go back to page 20 and keep reading, it will take me some time and I noticed you seem to have significantly changed your training and perhaps diet too since the early days of this thread - unless I am mistaken (it happens!).
Can you please very briefly summarise how your training and diet have changed and why?
Thanks, and great work, you have done so much great work here.
Stu
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Turpin

Thank you Stu , I have been training some 35yrs + ( since I was 15yrs old ) and most of that time was dedicated to the type of training that I do presently ( with a few improvements to-date from experience ) . I competed at a high level in powerlifting at middleweight and was quite successful from age 16yrs forwards ( even competed quite successfully in a bodybuilding comp ... just once ) until I picked up a bad injury in my low back that was so debilitating I had to give up the sport ( in fact I was out of lifting completely for a number of years ) , I then started back training and looking for a `safe` method that would not aggravate my condition I turned to HIT and followed this method for some years ( hence the start of my journal on here ) ... BUT I soon found that I was not displaying the type of physique or degree of muscularity that I once did ( I was decondition and soft at a weight I once displayed a good level of muscularity ) so after re-evaluation I began tinkering once more with volume / intensity and frequency and arrived at where I am at today ( now aged 50yrs ).
I also re-evaluated my dietary practice too which was previously a follow on of the HIT advocated `balanced` approach of higher carbohydrate intake / lower fat and moderate protein to the kind of diet I followed all those years ago when I first came into lifting , that of high fat / lower carb and moderate protein and this has been THE biggest influence on my current body composition / look.
There isn't much more to say , but thank you for your interest in my journal.

T.

StuKE wrote:
Damn, I'm a bit miffed that I typed s all out and posted and seem to have lost it! Oh well, will do it again and hopefully the original will not suddenly appear and There will be 2 posts more or less the same!
I think what you have done is amazing, not just the gains but the thoroughly documented workouts, together with pictures and discussion. Amazing and I honestly don't think anyone has done it so well before.
I have enjoyed reading this, a, on page 20 now but thought it only had around 25 pages, so was shocked when I saw how many there really are and couldn't help myself, skipping to the last page. The pics on there are amazing you have made astounding progress and although I will go back to page 20 and keep reading, it will take me some time and I noticed you seem to have significantly changed your training and perhaps diet too since the early days of this thread - unless I am mistaken (it happens!).
Can you please very briefly summarise how your training and diet have changed and why?
Thanks, and great work, you have done so much great work here.
Stu


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StuKE

Apologies, I knew both posts would end up showing. Not very good at this hahaha.

Turpin, do you ever find that the heavy weights take too much toll on other parts of your body - I mean, joints etc? Sometimes I find that whilst my muscles seem to have a bit more left - reps, weight etc - other parts are telling me to stop. An example from years ago was whilst doing steps ups with a heavy barbell across my shoulders after a set of squats. Despite breathing properly and short of failure, my head felt a lot of pressure, one side only which persisted for an hour or so after my workout along with a very strong urge to go to sleep - mid workout! Worrying so of course I stopped, but my for, was had built up to the weight and I was close but not that close to failure. This is what concerns me with progressive resistance - I am 42 now with 2 repaired hernias (12 years ago, mesh repair and neither caused by lifting) and sometimes, I worry about the heavy weights taking a toll.
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StuKE wrote:
Apologies, I knew both posts would end up showing. Not very good at this hahaha.

Turpin, do you ever find that the heavy weights take too much toll on other parts of your body - I mean, joints etc? Sometimes I find that whilst my muscles seem to have a bit more left - reps, weight etc - other parts are telling me to stop. An example from years ago was whilst doing steps ups with a heavy barbell across my shoulders after a set of squats. Despite breathing properly and short of failure, my head felt a lot of pressure, one side only which persisted for an hour or so after my workout along with a very strong urge to go to sleep - mid workout! Worrying so of course I stopped, but my for, was had built up to the weight and I was close but not that close to failure. This is what concerns me with progressive resistance - I am 42 now with 2 repaired hernias (12 years ago, mesh repair and neither caused by lifting) and sometimes, I worry about the heavy weights taking a toll.


Sorry to hear of your injuries Stu , injuries are never pleasant .
Yes , heavy resistance does take its toll IF you do not cycle your efforts . No one can go full bore all the time .
Your headaches are most likely as a result of increased pressure caused by `bracing` during heavy lifting . I have had these on occasion , even migraines post workout . However these have been few/far between and although it looks like I strain lots in my training ( cranial vascularity included ) I do utilise both valsalva ( intra abdominal pressure ) AND exhalation to advantage during my lifts in order to alleviate / avoid too much pressure build up and subsequent headaches.

T.

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StuKE

I manage ok, the headaches were long ago, I did have a major incident maybe 20 or so years ago on a 45 degree leg press, I must have been holding my breath to a degree because mid set I felt a huge sort of bang in my head, instantly My eye site went - very much like the 'snow' on a to when it is not tuned in, my ears were ringing, I was nauseous and dizzy. Obviously I racked the weight and I lay on a bench until the worst of it passed.
From reading about this years later, it sounds like it was a minor stroke, it certainly scared the crap out of me and I never made that mistake again (when I finally tried leg press again a year or two later).
Anyway, thanks for your comments, I do like to train heavy and do so often, but sometimes I just have to accept that some parts of my body do not like it and I have to back off.i can live with that. I am sure cycling the intensity does help as you say, but the truth is, I am not too confident in my body's integrity sometimes! Still, it did not stop me getting a P.B. The other month of body weight plus 54 kg for a rep on chin ups.
By the way, I didn't realise you were from the UK too. I spent the first few years of my training around a few names I know you will recognise: Dave Carter, Bryan, Paul and Patrick Reynolds, Sam Watt etc. Those were good times and earned a lot from them. I trained with them quite a bit but more often than not it was just in the same gym as opposed to working out together. I still see some of them around now and then and have a bit of a chat (I'm in Leeds). The one I see most is Andy Bolton, though I never really knew him back then. In fact, for a few years we lived on the same street - now I just bump into him I the supermarket from time to time.
Anyway. Sorry to go off on a tangent, just thought I would mention it , I am sure you will be familiar with Dave Carter's legendary deadlifts at the very least!
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StuKE wrote:
I manage ok, the headaches were long ago, I did have a major incident maybe 20 or so years ago on a 45 degree leg press, I must have been holding my breath to a degree because mid set I felt a huge sort of bang in my head, instantly My eye site went - very much like the 'snow' on a to when it is not tuned in, my ears were ringing, I was nauseous and dizzy. Obviously I racked the weight and I lay on a bench until the worst of it passed.
From reading about this years later, it sounds like it was a minor stroke, it certainly scared the crap out of me and I never made that mistake again (when I finally tried leg press again a year or two later).
Anyway, thanks for your comments, I do like to train heavy and do so often, but sometimes I just have to accept that some parts of my body do not like it and I have to back off.i can live with that. I am sure cycling the intensity does help as you say, but the truth is, I am not too confident in my body's integrity sometimes! Still, it did not stop me getting a P.B. The other month of body weight plus 54 kg for a rep on chin ups.
By the way, I didn't realise you were from the UK too. I spent the first few years of my training around a few names I know you will recognise: Dave Carter, Bryan, Paul and Patrick Reynolds, Sam Watt etc. Those were good times and earned a lot from them. I trained with them quite a bit but more often than not it was just in the same gym as opposed to working out together. I still see some of them around now and then and have a bit of a chat (I'm in Leeds). The one I see most is Andy Bolton, though I never really knew him back then. In fact, for a few years we lived on the same street - now I just bump into him I the supermarket from time to time.
Anyway. Sorry to go off on a tangent, just thought I would mention it , I am sure you will be familiar with Dave Carter's legendary deadlifts at the very least!


I competed at the YNE back in 93` and won the 75kg category and Dave Carter won the 82kg . Brian Reynolds was very complimentary of my lifting that day and seemed a real nice/genuine guy.It was shortly after this comp that I got injured . Most of my lifting prior to this was done back home in Scotland ... good times. ( small world )

T.

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StuKE

A long time ago!
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StuKE

Any updates? How's training going?
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Turpin

Training is going very well presently Stu , thank you.
I got a little `bee in my bonnet` tonight and rather than my planned deadlift workout I decided to once more see where I am at presently , so I loaded the bar , chalked up and just kept pulling singles for set after set , with each set more intense in effort ( and mindset ) than the previous , culminating with more than I have lifted ( on a straight bar ) since in my 20`s .... 270kg / 595lbs @ 73kg / 160lbs bodyweight ( this morning ) !!
I was `rounding` a little on the final pull but such is to be expected when at maximum effort ... anyhoos , I am very fatigued now , but elated !!! .. Needless to say I wont be repeating this effort tomorrow LOL

Video : https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=Tq5it-0BilI

T.
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DukeMatisse

Awesome!

You pulled that up smooth as silk.

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StuKE

That looked pretty easy, like you have plenty more in there for next time.
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Turpin

Cheers guys .

As you know Stu , things can appear easy when the mechanics of the lift are all in alignment , tonight it all came together. On another day ( as was my last max effort ) a slight shift from the perfect line of pull can realise a much harder ( or failed ) lift.

T.
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Turpin

Calf training : Too many make it more complicated than it is ( I did too ) .
I have always had mediocre ( to shitty ) genetics for calf development and I tried every method / modality out there to seek improvement. BUT for me it is/was as simple as making best of what I had via high reps ( 20+ ) and multiple sets thereof AND a technique of only flexing from the ankle NOT up on the toes as is usually advocated .
I position my foot on the calf block with my toes hanging over the edge and the balls of my feet being the first and only point of contact with the block . This allows only flexion from a single joint ( the ankle ) and not from the toes ( the latter not providing much by way of strength of contraction to the calf musculature in comparison to the ankle ). I then simply `pump` the calves through the ROM that my ankle flexion permits whilst keeping a `soft` flexion at the knee. Nothing fancy , just a simple approach and finding / using what works for ME.
Give it a try and see if it works for you .

video : https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=E8E8nMUzu9Y

T.
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