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parker1

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Another exercise I seem to be doing regularly is the cat camel abdominal vacuum.
Arnold did this exercise in his early days. Obviously Grimek has done some training for his transverse abdominal muscle.


Dr. Stuart McGill has pointed out in his books and papers that the vacuum, as beneficial or worthwhile exercise, is useless because you're actually destabilizing the spine when performing this move. You're far better off bracing the core -- much like one would (should) do before a heavy lift.

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parker1

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And another picture


There was a site (Natty-something) that showed the gyno, etc., on these guys doing the 'bar-barian' works. Old school training, unfortunately still juicing...

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parker1 wrote:
StuKE wrote:
And another picture

There was a site (Natty-something) that showed the gyno, etc., on these guys doing the 'bar-barian' works. Old school training, unfortunately still juicing...



oh dear. I wonder I calisthenics will only build any decent amount of mass if juicing. Lots of people train this way, few look like they carry any decent size, though most look lean with great abs.

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parker1 wrote:
The master of core training, Dr. Stuart McGill, PhD. If he recommends it, I will follow. :)


I like a great many ideas of Dr. McGill. Also, I have seen his ideas dismissed within the HIT community. Master? I don't care. Core training? Two poorly defined words used together in the exercise field. I follow no person just on a recommendation. What about logic, research, experimentation and others' personal experiences?

As I wrote in a previous post in this thread, I really like the cat-camel abdominal vacuum.

https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=hipHP1qd_tA


The wood chop exercise and variations are something I have come to like very much.

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parker1 wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Another exercise I seem to be doing regularly is the cat camel abdominal vacuum.
Arnold did this exercise in his early days. Obviously Grimek has done some training for his transverse abdominal muscle.

Dr. Stuart McGill has pointed out in his books and papers that the vacuum, as beneficial or worthwhile exercise, is useless because you're actually destabilizing the spine when performing this move. You're far better off bracing the core -- much like one would (should) do before a heavy lift.



And yet, he recommends the cat-camel exercise, which is eerily similar to Arnold's abdominal vacuum shown previously.

https://www.T-Nation.com/...t-mcgill-part-1
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S.M.Punisher

StuKE wrote:
oh dear. I wonder I calisthenics will only build any decent amount of mass if juicing. Lots of people train this way, few look like they carry any decent size, though most look lean with great abs.


It could have something to do with having to be very lean to be any good at calisthenics - and I think being that lean as a natural, for most people, is going to prevent them building any great size.

It seems the body has a higher set point of maximum muscle mass potential the higher the body fat. I can't remember where I read it (maybe on Greg Nuckols' site) that for powerlifters to significantly break past plateaus they have to add fat as well as muscle and compete in a higher class. Also, if you look at MMA fighters, the lower the weight class the more ripped they tend to be.

And if you consider that a person at 220 pounds 10% body fat is a lot more ripped than a person of otherwise same proportions at 170 pounds 10% body fat... Because the latter will have a much lower ratio of muscle to fat mass. Therefore, it could be that for the body to allow the addition of significant mass naturally, from an already lean state, body fat levels may have to rise to "back" the increased more metabolically expensive tissue - and maybe to keep hormonal balance in check (a low body fat level past a certain point bringing testosterone down with it).

When the vast majority of naturals it seems try to get ripped they just end up looking hungry. The classic bodybuilders had it right. They got big but were also smooth looking at competition time compared to today's standards. Up to a certain point the calisthenics guys will have to trade mass for performance. Even gaining muscle mass without adding any fat would have a detrimental effect past a certain point due to square-cube law.

I've done a lot of calisthenics but recently have been trying to gain weight. I've got bigger and a bit fatter and my slow muscle up is an absolute grind now (at 193 pounds), if I can pull it off at all.

In conclusion, I don't think it's the training that limits the size of top calisthenics practitioners - because resistance from body weight is no different to resistance from weights, and there is plenty of resistance available from body weight where the more advanced moves are concerned - but rather having to stay within a certain size range to be any good at it.
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parker1

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
parker1 wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Another exercise I seem to be doing regularly is the cat camel abdominal vacuum.
Arnold did this exercise in his early days. Obviously Grimek has done some training for his transverse abdominal muscle.

Dr. Stuart McGill has pointed out in his books and papers that the vacuum, as beneficial or worthwhile exercise, is useless because you're actually destabilizing the spine when performing this move. You're far better off bracing the core -- much like one would (should) do before a heavy lift.



And yet, he recommends the cat-camel exercise, which is eerily similar to Arnold's abdominal vacuum shown previously.

https://www.T-Nation.com/...-part-1


Would have to politely disagre...the 'cat camel' reminds me more of Ken Hutchins' abdominal trunk flexion approach (scroll down http://www.ren-ex.com/...ntraction.pdf). You should be contracting your abs to "push" your back up. Also, remember McGill's about bracing the abdominal wall...not sucking it in. ;)

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parker1

StuKE wrote:
parker1 wrote:
StuKE wrote:
And another picture

There was a site (Natty-something) that showed the gyno, etc., on these guys doing the 'bar-barian' works. Old school training, unfortunately still juicing...



oh dear. I wonder I calisthenics will only build any decent amount of mass if juicing. Lots of people train this way, few look like they carry any decent size, though most look lean with great abs.



Well, since few of the people on this site don't have much beyond average genetics, the answer is probably not for any of us.

I've seen some guys with tremendous builds out on the rings and bars on Muscle Beach for example, but, nothing that approaches the Bar-barians, etc.

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ATP 4 Vitality

parker1 wrote:

Would have to politely disagre...the 'cat camel' reminds me more of Ken Hutchins' abdominal trunk flexion approach


My favorite way of doing the cat-camel is standing with a heavy blue resistance band. Imagine Ken Hutchins' linear spine flexion done standing with a resistant band providing the resistance.

Got a new Cook bar, and Wood Chops feel just perfect
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