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humrepair

Florida, USA

John,
I disagree with you.While your insulting remarks may get you attention, they'll never earn you any respect. I have observed many people working out and rarely see someone performing their reps with excellent form and great intensity. Of course you might be the guy who accomplishes both but I haven't seen many people do it.

I also don't get the obsession many people have with the Colorado experiment and Casey Viator.I understand it was a milestone event but for people to think of themselves in comparison to Viator, Schwarzenegger, etc. is ridiculous.

These people are genetic freaks and what they can accomplish physically has little bearing on what I do.It's like buying a muscle magazine.Why bother?
If the muscle training business will be ruined by Ellington Darden advocating using an H.I.T. trainer things are worse than I thought.
Neil
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john38

Oklahoma, USA

humrepair wrote:
John,
I disagree with you.While your insulting remarks may get you attention, they'll never earn you any respect. I have observed many people working out and rarely see someone performing their reps with excellent form and great intensity. Of course you might be the guy who accomplishes both but I haven't seen many people do it.

I also don't get the obsession many people have with the Colorado experiment and Casey Viator.I understand it was a milestone event but for people to think of themselves in comparison to Viator, Schwarzenegger, etc. is ridiculous.

These people are genetic freaks and what they can accomplish physically has little bearing on what I do.It's like buying a muscle magazine.Why bother?
If the muscle training business will be ruined by Ellington Darden advocating using an H.I.T. trainer things are worse than I thought.
Neil


Thanks Neil for validating my posts! I agree with you 100%. I understand the interest in CE but that's not the jist of my reasoning. It's an example of the narrow-mindedness of this forum. The posters here jst can't get past what was considered trivial in the history of HIT.

But it was still Viator who trained like a dog, not jones, or you or Darden or me. He should get credit where credit is due. Dr. Darden has done more to harm HIT in the last two books then Stuart McRoberts. He is constantly telling people they can't do this or they won't be that and basing these comments on the outcomes of the "Genetic Freaks" you speak of.

And I will say for the record that they are not as genetically gifted as people think. Dr. Darden did not just advocate or suggest a trainer. He said you cannot train consistently without one. In other words you can't get what you want physically without one. You don't have what it takes to do it yourself.

Kind of ironic since he's been advertising on this forum his idea to do personal training don't you think? Get off the pot people and start thinking for yourselves. I will also say I don't mean to get disrespectful but if it gets people to listen.......
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humrepair

Florida, USA

John,
It would be foolish for me to speak for Dr. Darden because he has already proven that his writing skills far surpass mine.Please correct me if I'm wrong but it is my impression that you object to the premise that people require a trainer to achieve their best results.

Do you speak just from your own personal experience or do you train a substantial number of people also? I think we can agree that Dr. Darden has trained a large number of people and he is basing his conclusions on his vast experience.The only person I have trained is myself and a few others on occasion.This does not make Dr. Darden infallible but his experience should be taken into consideration.I happen to think he is right.

I also find that some people treat Arthur Jones like he was infallible. While this at times is a bit much I think it's overcompensation by people who know that Arthur Jones revolutionized the fitness industry and would never get the recognition he deserved.

That proved out when he passed away recently and the American public didn't even know about it.He was a fascinating guy and I consider myself lucky to have spent a lttle time with him.

I am curious as to why you think Dr. Darden's last two books were not as good as earlier efforts.The biggest difference I could find was his mixing of muscle training history into the later books.I found this interesting but can see where others would prefer a book which left those aspects out.What were the problems you had with his two newest books?
Neil
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Ellington Darden

Guys,

Go back and review "The Secret." I never said you could not get GOOD RESULTS from applying HIT by yourself (without a trainer). You absolutely can.

What I said was that with 99 out of 100 people, their good results will not be enough. Why? Because most of them seek GREAT RESULTS.

For GREAT RESULTS, these 99 out of 100 people need a personal trainer or coach . . . or at the very least, an experienced training partner.

Ellington
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mpx

3 pseudo axioms.

1) 99% of the people who train get no results to speak of.

2) 99% of the people who train without a trainer only get lousy results no matter what method they use,HIT or not.

3) 99% of people who attempt to apply HIT without a HIT trainer will get good results but not great results.

What's the underlying difference between good and great results? I recall "genetics" was used as an argument on this forum. Something I've always disagreed with but that's for another thread.

In reading just about any decent book or article on how a HIT workout is to be performed, one would think that anyone with reading ability,simple exercise knowledge and a lot of drive could train themselves. Unless most just need someone to scream at them during the set is what this is all about.



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john38

Oklahoma, USA

mpx wrote:
3 pseudo axioms.

1) 99% of the people who train get no results to speak of.

2) 99% of the people who train without a trainer only get lousy results no matter what method they use,HIT or not.

3) 99% of people who attempt to apply HIT without a HIT trainer will get good results but not great results.

What's the underlying difference between good and great results? I recall "genetics" was used as an argument on this forum. Something I've always disagreed with but that's for another thread.

In reading just about any decent book or article on how a HIT workout is to be performed, one would think that anyone with reading ability,simple exercise knowledge and a lot of drive could train themselves. Unless most just need someone to scream at them during the set is what this is all about.




This is exactly what I'm talking about. Where in the hell did you get your percentages? They're not only arbitrary but stupid to boot! None of you have any idea what another person is capable of and to say 99% of the public can't or won't do it is ridiculous.

I know exactly where this mentality comes, from this forum. Look at this way if 99% can't do it why put Casey on every cover, in every story etc. The same with Sergio, Mentzer. Yates. I hate to be the bearer of truth but no one knows thier potential until after the fact. If you want to read a more uplifting and realistic HIT assessment read most anything Yates wrote. At least he's not pushing retarded percentages up your can. You guys just don't get it do you? See Ya next year!
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mpx

john38 wrote:
mpx wrote:
3 pseudo axioms.

1) 99% of the people who train get no results to speak of.

2) 99% of the people who train without a trainer only get lousy results no matter what method they use,HIT or not.

3) 99% of people who attempt to apply HIT without a HIT trainer will get good results but not great results.

What's the underlying difference between good and great results? I recall "genetics" was used as an argument on this forum. Something I've always disagreed with but that's for another thread.

In reading just about any decent book or article on how a HIT workout is to be performed, one would think that anyone with reading ability,simple exercise knowledge and a lot of drive could train themselves. Unless most just need someone to scream at them during the set is what this is all about.




This is exactly what I'm talking about. Where in the hell did you get your percentages? They're not only arbitrary but stupid to boot! None of you have any idea what another person is capable of and to say 99% of the public can't or won't do it is ridiculous.

I know exactly where this mentality comes, from this forum. Look at this way if 99% can't do it why put Casey on every cover, in every story etc. The same with Sergio, Mentzer. Yates. I hate to be the bearer of truth but no one knows thier potential until after the fact. If you want to read a more uplifting and realistic HIT assessment read most anything Yates wrote. At least he's not pushing retarded percentages up your can. You guys just don't get it do you? See Ya next year!


Look up pseudo axiom.

Errr if you get off your rampage for a minute you'll realize I was poking fun at the typical 99% claims with fuzzy logic satire.


Next year it is!But did you mean Jan 2008 or 1 year from now?
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john38

Oklahoma, USA

mpx wrote:
3 pseudo axioms.

1) 99% of the people who train get no results to speak of.

2) 99% of the people who train without a trainer only get lousy results no matter what method they use,HIT or not.

3) 99% of people who attempt to apply HIT without a HIT trainer will get good results but not great results.

What's the underlying difference between good and great results? I recall "genetics" was used as an argument on this forum. Something I've always disagreed with but that's for another thread.

In reading just about any decent book or article on how a HIT workout is to be performed, one would think that anyone with reading ability,simple exercise knowledge and a lot of drive could train themselves. Unless most just need someone to scream at them during the set is what this is all about.


Well I do agree with you on this and apologize for the rant. I don't want to insult Dr. Darden or anyone else but this particular post is just a drop in the bucket of negativity that has stopped HIT from hitting mainstream.

When you tell someone that the system is the best yet compare them to world class BBs like yates or viator and then tell them they will never get as big genetically anyway AND on top of that they won't reach thier potential UNLESS someone is pushing them just makes most turn thier noses up at it.
I started HIT from the begining.

From jones to mentzer to yates. That's the chain. Not Jones darden viator mentzer yates johnston baye bioforce etc. If I had been a newbie and come across this forum I would've been screwed as far as knowledge is concerned. That's why I stopped contributing regularly. I hope people will get back to basics and go for what I think jones was going for.

A common sense way of training. I train alone, in my own gym and do a damn fine job. I doubt having anyone there will get me any stronger. As a matter of fact I find it a distraction.

And for the record Dr. Darden the pics (at least one in the series) I was talking about are in the iron man issue of the CE with Viator doing the biceps machine and jones in the background sitting in a chair reading the paper. Not in 1978 and yes I do have the original magazine. So you might ought to take that up with Casey if you don't believe it.

So here's a challenge. Why don't you turn this post into a real forum about HIT and get that book commercially published so people who want to train will have at least another option if they want to learn. Get rid of the bastards on this forum who post crap (myself included if you wish) and get back to training. I believe in you.

John

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bengt

Sweden

I Was one off those that misunderstod! But of course is it better to have an trainer in all sports. Of course can you be good without one, but I doubt that you can be great! And that?s an fact in all sports exept weight training. I wonder why?
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Jeremy McClinton

John38,

John I hope that number next to your name isn't referring to your age. Because you are acting like a whining little cry baby. If you feel that something is now wrong with HIT, than you actually need to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Stop posting hate on the internet where nothing will come of it. Now that I think about it, that number next to your name is probably referring to your IQ. You need to relax dude.
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bweav

Dr. Darden,
You're right, I have no doubts about that. It is frustrating though when you really don't have a choice but to workout solo. I stumbled across HIT only a few weeks ago, and only found you last week. After several tries at it, I finally got it as close to right as I can by myself. Wow, I'm still crushed two days later! I really pushed myself to the edge, but I know that if I had someone there I had have gone even further.

It's amazing though that so few trainers even know what HIT is. "Only one set?", people can't see that working. Training partners have their drawbacks too, because of the extra time between sets. It's hard to concentrate on both working and coaching.

I'm definitely not stopping though. Especially now that I've kind of figured out how I'm supposed to feel during and after an effective HIT workout. Thanks for being such a great source, and thanks for keeping Mr. Jones' work alive.
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Max Rep

I?m putting this here because I don?t see an option for member to start a new thread. I have some questions.

1) There was mention in Dr. Darden?s new book about members here posting their workout video?s. I did a search on these but the results didn?t give me a thread or any link that worked. Where can I view these videos?

2) Why is t important to keep your face relaxed during your sets? Since I train alone, I?ve always used a psych technique that has me gritting my teeth etc. I trained with Ray and Mike Mentzer several times in the early eighties at Gold?s Venice and also trained for several months at Ray Mentzer?s ?Muscle Mill in Redondo Beach in 1984 (right after ray spent time working with Arthur Jones) and I don?t remember anything being said about relaxing the face.

3) Can you hire Dr. Darden for training sessions or a any Seminar?s or Boot camps being offered?
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Elaikases

bweav wrote:
Dr. Darden,
You're right, I have no doubts about that. It is frustrating though when you really don't have a choice but to workout solo. I stumbled across HIT only a few weeks ago, and only found you last week. After several tries at it, I finally got it as close to right as I can by myself. Wow, I'm still crushed two days later! I really pushed myself to the edge, but I know that if I had someone there I had have gone even further.

It's amazing though that so few trainers even know what HIT is. "Only one set?", people can't see that working. Training partners have their drawbacks too, because of the extra time between sets. It's hard to concentrate on both working and coaching.

I'm definitely not stopping though. Especially now that I've kind of figured out how I'm supposed to feel during and after an effective HIT workout. Thanks for being such a great source, and thanks for keeping Mr. Jones' work alive.


I'm amazed that at 51, having gone back to lifting weights, with one work-out a week, I can max out machines. I took a layoff for some non-weight lifting injuries, almost eight months.

But for the machines involved in the non-injured parts, I'm doing four-five second negatives with their maximum loads. Kind of fun. Established immediate respect regardless of my age at the gym I just started at.

I'm learning to do squats right (never did them at all before) and making steady progress, week to week.

It is really neat.


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HIThaskett

Dr. Darden,
Im about 6'1 with about an 10 percent body fat and weight 190. I have been using HIT for about 2 months now and my progress in my arms have come to a hault. I've tried most of the arm routines including the arthur jones challenge, and nothing is working. What can I to make them grow again? please help.

-David
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powerrods

what happended to the training sessions?
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Ellington Darden

powerrods wrote:
what happened to the training sessions?


I'm still working on the details. There should be an announcement soon.

Ellington

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ian duckett

Hi Ellington.
I am a personal trainer from england and have followed the Hit way of training on and off more on for 20 years. I am a natural for life bodybuilder and at 42 reached my all time best condition and just won the Pro am. I would totaly agree with the article as i was trained in the Hit way by a trainer in a one car garage a few years back and changed like never before. You simply can not train as hard as you need to-to gain on your own, when advanced,even more so.
I am in Orlando in March 08 i would love to book in some workouts with yourself--please let me know cost and availability. www.bodyindesign.co.uk
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medici

Spain

OSAKA/J wrote:
As an addendum to my earlier post, I
will have to second what rtestes wrote. Practically speaking, there are very few good "master trainers"
around. As well, many of the old-timers in the 50's/60's achieved
incredible results without the benefit of trainers. Examples would be Chuck
Sipes, Jack Delinger, Harold Poole,
Reg Park, and a lot of other greats.
They may have had spotters to help
out, but I believe they did it on their
own as they knew their bodies better
than anyone. Would a master trainer
have helped? Maybe; that's all I'll
say.
However, as rtestes mentioned, a
series of DVD's/videos would go a long way on showing us the "How-To" aspects of HIT. Granted, we still have to train HARD, but it would serve as a more practical aspect of how to achieve results.

Respectfully,

Osaka/J


Perhaps they reached a point of understanding enabling them to move forward on their own. Dellinger came out of Ed Yarick's gym in Oakland, as did Reeves, Ross, and a host of others. Aside from Yarick himself, can you imagine the coaching from Ross, Dellinger and the others? In those days, coaches and unique gyms were one in the same.
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Glennie

Utah, USA

Dr. Darden,

I agree with you whole heartedly but I have a problem because I cannot find anyone to work out with that believes in your philosophy as well, I had outstanding results after the first work out, I added 5 inches to my thigh (both measured cold and in my skives) and other improvements.

I have not been able to replicate this growth or any growth for that matter since than in any of my muscles in fact some have shrunk, I feel better than ever and look it to but refuse to use the electronic BMI reader for fear of inaccuracy, my brother used to take my BMI with tools but has moved away.

I only gained 3 pounds from that workout and have lost 1 pound since than. What should I do?

Sincerely,
Glennie Allen Mesa J.R.
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Ellington Darden

Glennie,

Let me think about your one-workout results: a 5-inch increase on both your thighs and 3 pounds of overall muscle. And you're asking me what to do?

Why don't you tell me and our readers exactly what your routine was, including resistance used? And what's your age, height, weight, and background?

Ellington
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Glennie

Utah, USA

Dr. Darden,

Luckily I took your advice for the first time in my life and recorded what all my measurements and exercises where. The thighs before where 19.5 inches and 24.5 inches 3 days after the workout. I did (in this order) 6 pull ups @my own weight, bench press 10 reps @ 30#, dumbbell bicep curl 15 reps + holding for 15 seconds @ 15#, tricep extension 7 reps @ 20#, rest for a few minutes and drink water,

leg press 15 reps @ 90 #, calf raises 15 reps @ 180#, rest and water for a few minutes, bent arm fly with dumbbells 10 reps @ 10#, double arm pull down 20 reps @ 15#, row 20 reps @ 15 pounds, forearm curl 20@15#, last break + water, abdominal machine 20@15#, regular sit ups 15 reps. (I was aiming to loose some body fat but in the processes gained muscle that?s why I did such high reps on a lot of these, also on all of the leg exercises

I made it to about 11 or 12 on my own and than used my hands for help on the positive work excluding the calf raises). My legs have always been strong. After each one of the leg exercises I was to the point of vomiting and could barely walk, I felt i truley tried high intensity training that was stressed so much in your book, The New HIT, and the results where outstanding!

I am 19 years old, 6 feet tall, weighed 172# before the workout and 3 days later 175# (I am not sure how much of the weight was water retention). I live in Utah, my brother is a body builder. I started working out so I could spend time with him and liked the results. I worked out off and on for about 2 years and than stopped for .5 a year didn?t work out until 2 weeks ago when I had my awesome workout that made me more sore than I thought possible.

I am mainly Hispanic, English, and Native American. I go to school full time and work as a math tutor. I love to work on my car that occasionally runs.

Sincerely,
Glennie Allen Mesa J.R.
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lasledal

Dr Darden,
(or anyone else) i was just wondering if you have read Casey Viator's book? if so is it worth purchasing??
cheers.
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RobT

Great to see you on the board Ian. Read you book and many of your magazine articles years ago.

Just been over to your website and loved the article on your full body training in 2000.

http://www.bodyindesign.co.uk/...lbody_body.html

Also so pleased to see someone else representing HIT in the UK and getting some great results with your clients.

I'm down in Leicester but will see if i can book a couple of PTs with you when i'm next working up north.

Take care

Rob T
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Ellington Darden

lasledal wrote:
Dr Darden,
(or anyone else) i was just wondering if you have read Casey Viator's book? if so is it worth purchasing??
cheers.


I haven't read his revised book.

Ellington

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HIThaskett

I am about to start the bigger muscles in 42 days plan I'll let everyone know how my progress.

David H.
18
Waco, TX
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