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db144 wrote:
I'll give it a fair 2 month shake out and post the results.

I'll stay in the 6-8 rep range for the chins and dips, and 8-10 range for the weight exercises.

My first lift will be tomorrow.

Thanks for the help T.







Great stuff d , Give it a go , Im sure ( positive ) that if stress management is correct ie; sufficient stimuli/recovery then progress will be forthcoming.
Lack of progress can only be down to 2 things .
1. lack of stimuli
2. lack of recuperation

If #1 is suffice then #2 just needs to be regulated till progress is forthcoming.
TBH I had a conversation today with a good friend and long time strength trainer , and both of us agreed that our recovery ( to-date ) was around 9 days between workouts for optimal recuperation/progress.
At present I train x 1 weekly with a 2 way split of exercises.
1;
PULLDOWN
DIP
SHRUG

2;
LEG PRESS
OHP
LEG RAISE

However on the occassion that I have prolonged my recovery to 8/9 days I witnessed more progress ( reps and/or resistance ) .... but such intermittent training does not suit everyones lifestyle ( mine included ) hence my split from a 4 exercise whole body routine x1 weekly to my present 3 exercise to accomodate a x1 weekly split , training each weekend . However I am now considering a 3 way split x1 weekly of;

PULLDOWN
PEC DECK
TRICEP EXT

LEG PRESS
OHP/or U/row
LEG RAISE

DIP
SEATED ROW/or PULLOVER
SHRUG

The above would keep the x1 weekly training but each compound exercise is/would be trained every 3rd week with less overall systemic stress but sufficient stimuli to the concerned muscle group by way of the inclusion of an isolation movement.

T.


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Turpin

A Back comparison from Jan - July , Where the main difference in my training was the inclusion of the deadlift ( albeit infrequent ).


Best wishes , T.
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HeavyHitter32

Hi Turpin,

Good pics, but have you tried to take the images in the same lighting and same shadow?
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Turpin

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Hi Turpin,

Good pics, but have you tried to take the images in the same lighting and same shadow?


LOL. All of my comparisons previously were taken in the same conditions unfortunately the `before` shots here were for personal reference only and were taken in the middle of winter ( no sunlight ) . But I`ll try and get a couple more under similar condition as the befores if it pleases .

Best wishes , T.


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Turpin

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Hi Turpin,

Good pics, but have you tried to take the images in the same lighting and same shadow?


LOL. Here you go HH .

Couldnt be bothered taking more tonight , however heres a lat spread 6 months apart and a back bicep 1 month apart. ( all under similar/identical condition & with subtle but discernable difference in body composition )


Best wishes , T.
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SteveHIT

Good job Turpin.
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cmg

Looking good Turpin! Keep up the good work!

Regards,

Ron
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Turpin

A new video of Workout 1 of my consolidated training routine at present incorporating rest pause method.
Not my best training day , but I hope it gives insight to those who asked about my method of CR training.

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=BIbobrxnXMc

Best wishes , T.
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Turpin

LOL.

Thought this may be good for a laugh ( or at least inject a sense of realism to what is achievable in almost a lifetime of `natural` lifting )

The above ( top left ) is me at 16 yrs with only a couple of months of training LOL it was all about lots of milk and eggs back then , then ( top right ) at 17 yrs when I got a bit more serious about conditioning ( & participating in powerlifting and also boxing ) , then ( bottom Right) at 18 yrs at my one & only bodybuilding competition and ( bottom left ) in my 30`s.

As mentioned previously the intent of posting such pics is most certainly not narcissism , but instead ( as well as a bit of fun ) to inject a sense of realism into what I believe has become a past time dominated by unrealistic goal setting propagated by the glossy mags.

Best wishes , T.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Turpin wrote:
LOL.

Thought this may be good for a laugh ( or at least inject a sense of realism to what is achievable in almost a lifetime of `natural` lifting )

The above ( top left ) is me at 16 yrs with only a couple of months of training LOL it was all about lots of milk and eggs back then , then ( top right ) at 17 yrs when I got a bit more serious about conditioning ( & participating in powerlifting and also boxing ) , then ( bottom Right) at 18 yrs at my one & only bodybuilding competition and ( bottom left ) in my 30`s.

As mentioned previously the intent of posting such pics is most certainly not narcissism , but instead ( as well as a bit of fun ) to inject a sense of realism into what I believe has become a past time dominated by unrealistic goal setting propagated by the glossy mags.

Best wishes , T.


==Scott==
Turpin, I think your pictures and threads are great! I wish there were more like you on here!
I could be wrong on this but it seems that early on you were a little bigger than you are now and I'm wondering if that may be in part to more effort spent early on to gaining size vrs now where you may be trying for more strength first and then size? I know the old adage that with strength comes size but I don't know that I subscribe to that necessarily. I know a lot of guys who are strong as hell and don't look it and others who are very big but not that strong. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your priority now to get strong first with size coming second?
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N@tural1

Turpin wrote:
A new video of Workout 1 of my consolidated training routine at present incorporating rest pause method.
Not my best training day , but I hope it gives insight to those who asked about my method of CR training.


In my opinion that's 3 sets all be it with little rest between them. It is multi-set training Turpin.

Why not just train a single set to failure if you believe that "failure" alone is required for hypertrophy?
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Mr. Strong

N@tural1 wrote:
Turpin wrote:
A new video of Workout 1 of my consolidated training routine at present incorporating rest pause method.
Not my best training day , but I hope it gives insight to those who asked about my method of CR training.

In my opinion that's 3 sets all be it with little rest between them. It is multi-set training Turpin.





Who cares.
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Turpin

entsminger wrote:
Turpin wrote:
LOL.

Thought this may be good for a laugh ( or at least inject a sense of realism to what is achievable in almost a lifetime of `natural` lifting )

The above ( top left ) is me at 16 yrs with only a couple of months of training LOL it was all about lots of milk and eggs back then , then ( top right ) at 17 yrs when I got a bit more serious about conditioning ( & participating in powerlifting and also boxing ) , then ( bottom Right) at 18 yrs at my one & only bodybuilding competition and ( bottom left ) in my 30`s.

As mentioned previously the intent of posting such pics is most certainly not narcissism , but instead ( as well as a bit of fun ) to inject a sense of realism into what I believe has become a past time dominated by unrealistic goal setting propagated by the glossy mags.

Best wishes , T.

==Scott==
Turpin, I think your pictures and threads are great! I wish there were more like you on here!
I could be wrong on this but it seems that early on you were a little bigger than you are now and I'm wondering if that may be in part to more effort spent early on to gaining size vrs now where you may be trying for more strength first and then size? I know the old adage that with strength comes size but I don't know that I subscribe to that necessarily. I know a lot of guys who are strong as hell and don't look it and others who are very big but not that strong. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your priority now to get strong first with size coming second?


Hi Scott , In actual fact I am some 10 -14 lbs heavier now than in any of those pics , and my arms measure bigger now than ever , however I am probably ( despite being in reasonable condition ) somewhat less aesthetically pleasing ( LOL ) these days due to being thicker in certain areas that detract as a result of heavy powerlifts over the years .
However , in regards to strength before size , I have always trained for strength and not for bodybuilding purpose ( the one BB comp being as a result only of encouragement from club members & I didnt like it despite placing well ) , if any size resulted as a consequence of strength gain then so much the better ( provided I could meet my weight class ) , but size without strength gain is/would be a pointless exercise for a powerlifter ( if such was at all possible )

Best wishes , T.

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Turpin

N@tural1 wrote:
Turpin wrote:
A new video of Workout 1 of my consolidated training routine at present incorporating rest pause method.
Not my best training day , but I hope it gives insight to those who asked about my method of CR training.

In my opinion that's 3 sets all be it with little rest between them. It is multi-set training Turpin.

Why not just train a single set to failure if you believe that "failure" alone is required for hypertrophy?


Id call it `3 reps` with a little rest between N1 ... thats what rest pause is !
I have ( & do ) train a single working set to failure on other exercises ( as I did with shrugs in the video ) , however `rest pause` allows for the better recruitment of more FT fibres than a single set to failure due to each rep being of near maximum effort ( Intensity of effort being relative to FT fibre recruitment )

T.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Turpin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Turpin wrote:
LOL.

Thought this may be good for a laugh ( or at least inject a sense of realism to what is achievable in almost a lifetime of `natural` lifting )

The above ( top left ) is me at 16 yrs with only a couple of months of training LOL it was all about lots of milk and eggs back then , then ( top right ) at 17 yrs when I got a bit more serious about conditioning ( & participating in powerlifting and also boxing ) , then ( bottom Right) at 18 yrs at my one & only bodybuilding competition and ( bottom left ) in my 30`s.

As mentioned previously the intent of posting such pics is most certainly not narcissism , but instead ( as well as a bit of fun ) to inject a sense of realism into what I believe has become a past time dominated by unrealistic goal setting propagated by the glossy mags.

Best wishes , T.

==Scott==
Turpin, I think your pictures and threads are great! I wish there were more like you on here!
I could be wrong on this but it seems that early on you were a little bigger than you are now and I'm wondering if that may be in part to more effort spent early on to gaining size vrs now where you may be trying for more strength first and then size? I know the old adage that with strength comes size but I don't know that I subscribe to that necessarily. I know a lot of guys who are strong as hell and don't look it and others who are very big but not that strong. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your priority now to get strong first with size coming second?

Hi Scott , In actual fact I am some 10 -14 lbs heavier now than in any of those pics , and my arms measure bigger now than ever .
However , in regards to strength before size , I have always trained for strength and not for bodybuilding purpose ( the one BB comp being as a result only of encouragement from club members & I didnt like it despite placing well ) , if any size resulted as a consequence of strength gain then so much the better ( provided I could meet my weight class ) , but size without strength gain is/would be a pointless exercise for a powerlifter ( if such was at all possible )

Best wishes , T.



==Scott==
I guess pictures can be deceiving. Your v taper looks much more pronounced back then. You may be heavier but I'm guessing the weight is distributed differently now? Anyway you look great both then and now and you have the strength to back up your size. I can't say that. I look stronger than I am. When I was in high school the guys all figured I could bench 3oo or more easily when in fact I had a hard time doing 22o.
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Turpin

entsminger wrote:
Turpin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Turpin wrote:
LOL.

Thought this may be good for a laugh ( or at least inject a sense of realism to what is achievable in almost a lifetime of `natural` lifting )

The above ( top left ) is me at 16 yrs with only a couple of months of training LOL it was all about lots of milk and eggs back then , then ( top right ) at 17 yrs when I got a bit more serious about conditioning ( & participating in powerlifting and also boxing ) , then ( bottom Right) at 18 yrs at my one & only bodybuilding competition and ( bottom left ) in my 30`s.

As mentioned previously the intent of posting such pics is most certainly not narcissism , but instead ( as well as a bit of fun ) to inject a sense of realism into what I believe has become a past time dominated by unrealistic goal setting propagated by the glossy mags.

Best wishes , T.

==Scott==
Turpin, I think your pictures and threads are great! I wish there were more like you on here!
I could be wrong on this but it seems that early on you were a little bigger than you are now and I'm wondering if that may be in part to more effort spent early on to gaining size vrs now where you may be trying for more strength first and then size? I know the old adage that with strength comes size but I don't know that I subscribe to that necessarily. I know a lot of guys who are strong as hell and don't look it and others who are very big but not that strong. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your priority now to get strong first with size coming second?

Hi Scott , In actual fact I am some 10 -14 lbs heavier now than in any of those pics , and my arms measure bigger now than ever .
However , in regards to strength before size , I have always trained for strength and not for bodybuilding purpose ( the one BB comp being as a result only of encouragement from club members & I didnt like it despite placing well ) , if any size resulted as a consequence of strength gain then so much the better ( provided I could meet my weight class ) , but size without strength gain is/would be a pointless exercise for a powerlifter ( if such was at all possible )

Best wishes , T.



==Scott==
I guess pictures can be deceiving. Your v taper looks much more pronounced back then. You may be heavier but I'm guessing the weight is distributed differently now? Anyway you look great both then and now and you have the strength to back up your size. I can't say that. I look stronger than I am. When I was in high school the guys all figured I could bench 3oo or more easily when in fact I had a hard time doing 22o.


Yes I was more tapered back then , but years of heavy deadlifting thereafter has thickened my low back and abdomen since.
I have of late been trying to cut back on calories in attempt to get a degree of taper again , but despite lower bodyfat levels & trim abdominals the blocky/thicker appearance remains LOL.

Best wishes T.

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Balance

Turpin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Turpin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Turpin wrote:
LOL.

Thought this may be good for a laugh ( or at least inject a sense of realism to what is achievable in almost a lifetime of `natural` lifting )

The above ( top left ) is me at 16 yrs with only a couple of months of training LOL it was all about lots of milk and eggs back then , then ( top right ) at 17 yrs when I got a bit more serious about conditioning ( & participating in powerlifting and also boxing ) , then ( bottom Right) at 18 yrs at my one & only bodybuilding competition and ( bottom left ) in my 30`s.

As mentioned previously the intent of posting such pics is most certainly not narcissism , but instead ( as well as a bit of fun ) to inject a sense of realism into what I believe has become a past time dominated by unrealistic goal setting propagated by the glossy mags.

Best wishes , T.

==Scott==
Turpin, I think your pictures and threads are great! I wish there were more like you on here!
I could be wrong on this but it seems that early on you were a little bigger than you are now and I'm wondering if that may be in part to more effort spent early on to gaining size vrs now where you may be trying for more strength first and then size? I know the old adage that with strength comes size but I don't know that I subscribe to that necessarily. I know a lot of guys who are strong as hell and don't look it and others who are very big but not that strong. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't your priority now to get strong first with size coming second?

Hi Scott , In actual fact I am some 10 -14 lbs heavier now than in any of those pics , and my arms measure bigger now than ever .
However , in regards to strength before size , I have always trained for strength and not for bodybuilding purpose ( the one BB comp being as a result only of encouragement from club members & I didnt like it despite placing well ) , if any size resulted as a consequence of strength gain then so much the better ( provided I could meet my weight class ) , but size without strength gain is/would be a pointless exercise for a powerlifter ( if such was at all possible )

Best wishes , T.



==Scott==
I guess pictures can be deceiving. Your v taper looks much more pronounced back then. You may be heavier but I'm guessing the weight is distributed differently now? Anyway you look great both then and now and you have the strength to back up your size. I can't say that. I look stronger than I am. When I was in high school the guys all figured I could bench 3oo or more easily when in fact I had a hard time doing 22o.

Yes I was more tapered back then , but years of heavy deadlifting thereafter has thickened my low back and abdomen since.
I have of late been trying to cut back on calories in attempt to get a degree of taper again , but despite lower bodyfat levels & trim abdominals the blocky/thicker appearance remains LOL.

Best wishes T.



It looks to me like body fat probably accounts for more of the difference than you think around the waistline, judging from pics like those back comparison pics posted on the previous page. Of course, I also know that you can't put too much stock in pictures taken under different conditions.

Remember, like I have pointed out elsewhere, that a person's body fat distribution changes over time. Like, for myself, I can have really lean forearms with excess around the waist and especially lower back and a corpse like face all at the same time, whereas the distribution used to be somewhat more uniform. Similar happens in everyone.

But really, to me, it looks like you've still got more fat overall than before.

I'm not telling you to get leaner though, because I know the downside.
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Ciccio

From the front pix T. doesn't look like he has much more -if at all- subcutaneous fat. Increased visceral fat (around organs)might be the answer.
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New York, USA

Ciccio wrote:
From the front pix T. doesn't look like he has much more -if at all- subcutaneous fat. Increased visceral fat (around organs)might be the answer.

Hi Franco,
That's a particularly bizarre theory -curious what you imagine might be the cause?
Turpin has built a thick muscular waist from the heavy lifts.
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Ciccio wrote:
From the front pix T. doesn't look like he has much more -if at all- subcutaneous fat. Increased visceral fat (around organs)might be the answer.
Hi Franco,
That's a particularly bizarre theory -curious what you imagine might be the cause?
Turpin has built a thick muscular waist from the heavy lifts.


That's not bizarre at all. If you would use your famous observational skills to the fullest you would observe that especially the naturally muscular, stocky build guys tend to develop more visceral fat with age (you may want to check with yourself).
It might be a hormonal thing (some say so, I don't know) but it's detectable.
In the extreme (not T.!) it's expressed in a bulging, protruding belly with visible abs and not much skin to pinch.

Note: I never said that it's solely do to this, T. for sure has build nice thick erector spinae over time, but I don't think it's reasonable to conclude his obliques and abs have grown so much as they would have to to explain the big difference in waist, especially in the back shot.



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Turpin.

I must admit you do IMO look better in the pic in your 30's, may I ask how you were training then?

Thanks.
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Turpin

Balance wrote;

It looks to me like body fat probably accounts for more of the difference than you think around the waistline, judging from pics like those back comparison pics posted on the previous page ......

Remember, like I have pointed out elsewhere, that a person's body fat distribution changes over time. Like, for myself, I can have really lean forearms with excess around the waist and especially lower back and a corpse like face all at the same time, whereas the distribution used to be somewhat more uniform. Similar happens in everyone.

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Ciccio wrote;

From the front pix T. doesn't look like he has much more -if at all- subcutaneous fat. Increased visceral fat (around organs)might be the answer.

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Tomislav wrote;

Turpin has built a thick muscular waist from the heavy lifts.

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Ciccio wrote;

naturally muscular, stocky build guys tend to develop more visceral fat with age (you may want to check with yourself).
It might be a hormonal thing (some say so, I don't know) but it's detectable.
In the extreme (not T.!) it's expressed in a bulging, protruding belly with visible abs and not much skin to pinch.

Note: I never said that it's solely do to this, T. for sure has build nice thick erector spinae over time, but I don't think it's reasonable to conclude his obliques and abs have grown so much as they would have to to explain the big difference in waist, especially in the back shot.


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Turpin wrote;

I think there is an element of truth in all of the above.
As we age ( now at 44yrs ) we tend to get stubborn areas of soft tissue ( fat !) deposits that despite getting into lean condition are almost impossible to shift , and further dieting only realises negligible difference in these areas & usually at a cost elsewhere ( loss of lean muscle , strength and gaunt facial features ) . I have troublesome areas around the low back obliques and also around the chest/serratus areas where they were previously a little tighter. Such comes with age ( moreso in the natural trainee ) and possibly slowly diminishing endocrine levels.
I am not a deluded soul who thinks he is/or can be as lean as he was in his 20`s , but likewise I cannot pass off that the effects of heavy `powerlifts` over many years has not contributed to an appearance of a thicker waistline/low back over time.
I have only started back deadlifting these past months and there is a discernable difference already to both waist and mid/low back. ( as posted previously )
I do not intend ( nor never have been ) to achieve extreme of condition , I am relatively happy with a healthy bodyfat level that can see me continue to realise strength gain on a regular/ongoing basis. Although I do & will continue to ( on occassion ) endeavour to enhance/make best of what I have by light dieting.

Best wishes , T.
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N@tural1 wrote:
Turpin.

I must admit you do IMO look better in the pic in your 30's, may I ask how you were training then?

Thanks.




My training at this time was a variation of Mikes `ideal` routine It was around this time ( a year previous ) that I injured my back and on returning to lifting ( after a year or more out )I resorted to `bodybuilding` exercises/routines rather than my usual powerlifting , as I couldnt squat/deadlift or do anything that put any undue strain on my lower back ( hence the loss of musculature/size in my thighs as a result , but a lessening in the thickness of my mid-section too I feel )

This `variation` of M.Mentzers `ideal` routine meant that I was Working out twice weekly (IE; Sun-Thurs-Tues-Sun )
So each body part/exercise was hit once every 2 weeks.

1; Chest , Shoulders , Triceps.
Heavy incline flys/Incline DB press; 1 s/set
D/B Laterals/DB Press 1 s/set
Rear laterals; 1 set
EZ Bar tricep ext/EZ Bar close grip bench; 1 s/set.


2; Back , biceps.
Straight arm pulldown/underhand pulldown; 1 s/set
D/B rows; 1 set
Shrugs; 1 set
single arm concentration curls; 1 set.

3; legs.
Leg ext; 1 set , leg curl; 1 set, single leg D/B calf raise; 1 set.

I stayed with routine making gradual progressions in resistance over the years and tinkering with volume and frequency as/when I saw my progress falter , hence Im now at where I am ie; using a `consolidated routine` & have been for some 8 or so years.

I often re-visit the `ideal` routine when I fancy a change/variety , and Im sure if I applied myself over some 8 weeks or so ( as I did with the TUL study ) I could get into reasonable shape as a result , and to date I can at least work my legs on the leg press.

Best wishes , T.



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Legs ;

Above is 3 different stages in both time ( age )and development using different exercises ( `exclusively` at the time of pictures )

nb; yes , I know each pic has different lighting etc , but I feel/know that each was taken in the best circumstance available at the time.

Pic 1; I was in my late 20`s and powerlifting ( squatting exclusively )

Pic 2; I was in my mid 30`s and could not use any pressing motion with my legs due to a low back problem . Leg ext , leg curls & single legged calf raises were all I could perform ( although I did take each exercise to failure by way of drop sets etc.

Pic 3/4 ; To-date at 44yrs where all I perform is one set of leg press ( after brief warm up ) to failure every 14 days.

Im not saying at age 44yrs my legs are at their best , however note how with isolation work ( pic 2 ) the muscular emphasis is toward the lower and frontal thigh and the upper/inner is somewhat lacking , whilst the squat ( pic 1 ) developed more of the upper/inner but not so much in the lower thigh.
Whilst the leg press ( pics 3/4 ) I feel provides stimulus to ALL areas fairly equally and without any direct calf work employed I CAN say my calves are better now then ever.

T.
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A few expressed a view in an ongoing thread ( 1 set workout .. ) how they felt that my ( at present ) 2 exercise / 1 working set x 1 every 7-9 days routine , seemed surprisingly little stimulus to produce any growth stimulation.
Well heres my recent ( back ) comparison pics from Jan - ( now )Aug. Whereby I have cut my volume/frequency from 4/5 exercises x 1 weekly to now only 2 exercises x every 7-9 days.
NOW , I understand that the improvement over the past few months is less discernable than previous , however there is/has been improvement in both body composition and resistance used , DESPITE further reduction in volume/frequency , and cetainly there has been no regression/atrophy as a result ... so why would I train more often with more volume ?

My workout at present ;
W/O 1;
LEG PRESS
CHIN or pulldown

rest 7-9 days

W/O 2;
DIP
HIGH PULL

TBH , I have no fear of reducing volume/frequency still further whilst progress is ongoing . I may end up doing 1 exercise every 5-7 or 9 days ... who knows.

Best wishes , T.
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