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NeuroMass

Guys,

Just wanna share with you some of the ovious and sometimes absurd biases and justifications HITers usually employ when questioned about the legitimacy of the HIT theory.

Here goes:

1) Question: If HIT is really the best way to build muscle then why are there so few if any elite bodybuilders using this type of training method (HIT)?

Common Answer: Well because HIT is very hard work and most bodybuilders do not have the will power and motivation to train very hard.

Comments:I that that is a very UNFAIR and UNFOUNDED statement! I could not beleive for a minute that they'll settle for anything less than the EXTREME whether it be in training, nutrition, lifestyle or even with DRUG enhancements! In fact those guys are even so willing to compromise thier health and even life just for the sake of building the ultimate body and some people still think that they are not motivated enough? Those guys are not only motivated but extremely obssessive, maniacal and even suicidal in thier practices!


2) Q: If HIT is the only SCIENTIFICALLY VALID training theory/program there is why has Mr. Champ built an extraordinay physique without using it?

CA: Because he is GENETICALLY GIFTED and he can proctically do anything in hia training and still see results.

C: Granted that is the case are HITers implying that in the HIT community today thier is practically noone who has the GENETICS to excel in this sport or has the capacity to build an extraordianry physiqe coparable to those succesful non-HITers? Sorry but I myself find this justification statistically improbabale and utterly impossible!

In fact when HITers are ask about the method and development of Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman)we automatically point out his Superior Genetics and drugs as the 2 major factors responsile for it. But someone pointed out Casey Viator, The Mentzer Bros. and even Dorian Yates the first thing we usually associate thier gains to is HIT. We sometimes forget that all those guys mentioned regardless of method of training are all GENETICALLY GIFTED bodybuilders and yes I beleive all of them have used drugs! Considering all factors are relatively equal(genetics, nutrition and drugs and lifestyle) except for one which is the method of training how can we now objectively say for sure that HIT is really superiorto other training methods?

3) I know most of us are fairly aware of this scenario. Most of the time when we are presented with an accepted scientific study which has a different conclusion from out own or even contrary to our own beliefs we readily dismiss it completely without any hesitation as either FLAWED or BIASED!
As they say the best way to make something seem irrelevant is to just dismiss it completely as if it was nothing! Unfortunately a real objective and scientific mind does not conform to this way of thinking. In fact if we really consider ourselves truth seekers we should be open to various possibilities. We prove or disprove an idea on the basis of reserach and proof and not soley on the basis or perception alone because if we do that we are actually defeating our claim to be the only true science base weight training theory out there.
I beleive that the first thing we should do to re-evaluate our ultimate goal. Rememeber that we are not here merely to be branded as either a loyal HITer or a High Volume Trainer because I honestly think that thier's no rationality in all of that except maybe if somebody out there is trying to get something out of it. Anyway after all bottomline here is results, not HIT not HVT or anything else but RESULTS!

PEACE.
























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spud

NeuroMass wrote:
1) Question: If HIT is really the best way to build muscle then why are there so few if any elite bodybuilders using this type of training method (HIT)?

Common Answer: Well because HIT is very hard work and most bodybuilders do not have the will power and motivation to train very hard.

Comments:I that that is a very UNFAIR and UNFOUNDED statement! I could not beleive for a minute that they'll settle for anything less than the EXTREME whether it be in training, nutrition, lifestyle or even with DRUG enhancements! In fact those guys are even so willing to compromise thier health and even life just for the sake of building the ultimate body and some people still think that they are not motivated enough? Those guys are not only motivated but extremely obssessive, maniacal and even suicidal in thier practices!


With regards to bodybuilders training hard. From what I have seen, they don't. Go to bodybuilding dot com and search for The Fit Show. Watch the videos of the pros training. It is a joke. Watch Jerome ?Hollywood? Ferguson go through his bicep workout. Terrible form, about 4 exercises at least 3 sets each. He uses quick reps and a partial range of motion. It's all about the pump. You can hear how out of breath this guy is. It may have more to do with his crappy breathing technique, but he certainly has nothing in the way of conditioning. One thing you need to look at though. The SIZE of this guy. It's all about dr....

As far as working hard within the context of one set, bodybuilders don't. They don't have to. They can just stop when it hurts, and then do another set in a few minutes.

You are confusing hard work with dedication. Their workouts may be relatively easy, long winded and inefficient, but they still have to dedication to go to the gym every day. But what else do they have to do? They are PROFESSIONAL bodybuilders. The gym is their office. It is also their social life. They don't go to bars and get drunk or dance the night away in clubs. The gym is everything to them. If they trained 3 times a week for an hour what the hell would they do for the rest of the week apart from eat and sleep? They would get board and want to work out again and again. The are addicted.

Just because someone is willing to compromise their health, doesn't mean they ?work hard?.

NeuroMass wrote:
2) Q: If HIT is the only SCIENTIFICALLY VALID training theory/program there is why has Mr. Champ built an extraordinay physique without using it?

CA: Because he is GENETICALLY GIFTED and he can proctically do anything in hia training and still see results.

C: Granted that is the case are HITers implying that in the HIT community today thier is practically noone who has the GENETICS to excel in this sport or has the capacity to build an extraordianry physiqe coparable to those succesful non-HITers? Sorry but I myself find this justification statistically improbabale and utterly impossible!


There is a picture of Rick McCutcheon on the IART website. He weighs 245 lbs in contest condition. He was trained by Brian Jonhston. He added lean mass whilst losing fat on what is already an advanced physique.

Of course people in the HIT community have genetics. Many will have better genetics than they make out. The men that compete in Mr. Olympia have genetics that are miles better than the biggest guy in most gyms all over the world. They really are rare. I have seen guys at my local gym that are huge. But they aren't anywhere near the level of the IFBB Pros.

Why haven't the champs used HIT to build a physique? Why haven't they used a SCIENTIFICALLY VALID method of training? Look at the answer I gave to your first question.

When people begin training with weights they tend not to spend years reading an researching what to do before setting foot in a gym or buying their first barbell. They tend to just jump into it and start lifting. Only after a while do they start to seek knowledge. The more impressionable people are more likely to copy what they see others doing or follow the advice of so called experts than they are to read endless Internet articles and books.

NeuroMass wrote:
In fact when HITers are ask about the method and development of Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman)we automatically point out his Superior Genetics and drugs as the 2 major factors responsile for it. But someone pointed out Casey Viator, The Mentzer Bros. and even Dorian Yates the first thing we usually associate thier gains to is HIT. We sometimes forget that all those guys mentioned regardless of method of training are all GENETICALLY GIFTED bodybuilders and yes I beleive all of them have used drugs!


Viator, the Mentzers and Yates all have exceptional genetics as well. But they (especially Viator and the Mentzers) competed in a different era to Ronnie. The drugs that Ronnie now takes make Viator's drugs from the 1970's look like a couple of paracetamol in comparison.

Read Brian Johnston's interview with Dorian Yates. He says that he used the concepts from HIT that he liked and that seemed to make sense to him, and binned the ones that didn't. He used fast reps and did multiple sets, stuff like that. He didn't perform what many folks would call pure HIT. In fact many would see it as HVT. But it was far lower volume and frequency than many of his competitors were using.

NeuroMass wrote:
3) I know most of us are fairly aware of this scenario. Most of the time when we are presented with an accepted scientific study which has a different conclusion from out own or even contrary to our own beliefs we readily dismiss it completely without any hesitation as either FLAWED or BIASED!
As they say the best way to make something seem irrelevant is to just dismiss it completely as if it was nothing! Unfortunately a real objective and scientific mind does not conform to this way of thinking. In fact if we really consider ourselves truth seekers we should be open to various possibilities. We prove or disprove an idea on the basis of reserach and proof and not soley on the basis or perception alone because if we do that we are actually defeating our claim to be the only true science base weight training theory out there.
I beleive that the first thing we should do to re-evaluate our ultimate goal. Rememeber that we are not here merely to be branded as either a loyal HITer or a High Volume Trainer because I honestly think that thier's no rationality in all of that except maybe if somebody out there is trying to get something out of it. Anyway after all bottomline here is results, not HIT not HVT or anything else but RESULTS!


Two questions for you.

1)When you speak of results, what LEVEL of results are you referring to? Results at the expense of what? Health? Happiness? Not everybody on this planet wants to paint themselves orange and stand on a stage wearing a thong whilst posing to music. Not everybody is willing to put their lives on hold and fully devote themselves to building muscle. Most people work 9 to 5, Monday t Friday. Most people are more concerned about the health of their aging parents, the academic performance of their children, the state of their marriage, the bills they have to pay etc. Even if you only work out for 3 hours a week (or less) you still have to devote a lot of the remaining time to sleep, nutrition and other factors effecting recovery.

2)Is HIT Superior? That is quite vague. In what way might it be superior? Sure it may take less time but who wants to live in a gym? Regardless of the method of training that you use, if you spend more than 3 hours (thats 180 minutes) working out every 7 days, then in my humble opinion you are being pretty inefficient. You can split that 180 minutes over as many sessions or days as you like, but you shouldn't have to do more than that. Most people spend far more time resting between sets than they do actually lifting weights. The only way for you to see if HIT is effective is to take a future world class bodybuilder and have the IART, Dr Darden or Drew Baye train him from scratch, from day one. But what drugs would they put him on? None? Or the same as Ronnie Coleman? How do you measure genetic potential?

Then again, what is HIT? There are numerous interpretations of it. HIT is an umbrella term. It is not just one specific routine or program. It is a set of principles. Principles that can be adjusted and adapted. If you do choose to adapt and adjust the principles of HIT, at what point are you no longer performing HIT? Does it even matter? HIT is nothing more than a label.
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holy crap this garbage again. For god sakes give it a rest. IF you don't enjoy the workout don't do it and go to another forum with people who you will listen too. YOU friggen dumbasses come in here spitting you crap and theres no need. THIS IS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE WHO DO A VARITAION OF H.I.T. Get this through your heads. No one on here it here to diss anyone else they foudn a program they like and do it. Oh hiter says this and hitters say that. Get through the tiny brains that are trying to proccess your thought that no one is denying what works and what doesnt work. Everything works but different things work for different people. Man i'm thinking more people need to find a girlfriend to relieve there boredemn and stupid ass comments.
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Florida, USA

splice wrote:
holy crap this garbage again. For god sakes give it a rest. IF you don't enjoy the workout don't do it and go to another forum with people who you will listen too. YOU friggen dumbasses come in here spitting you crap and theres no need. THIS IS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE WHO DO A VARITAION OF H.I.T. Get this through your heads. No one on here it here to diss anyone else they foudn a program they like and do it. Oh hiter says this and hitters say that. Get through the tiny brains that are trying to proccess your thought that no one is denying what works and what doesnt work. Everything works but different things work for different people. Man i'm thinking more people need to find a girlfriend to relieve there boredemn and stupid ass comments.



Splice,
The only problem with that advice:
At least on this site, when more people agree, there are fewer posts, fewer hits, and fewer visits to Dr. Dardens website.

Most of the people who listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Al Frankin, or other political commentary hosts, DON'T agree with the hosts opinions. Appromiately 20% of the listeners actually LIKE the host, and agree with the opinions. For them, it's boring, since it's what they already believe. The other 80% like to get angry with the hosts. You'll eventually 'hear' the marketing going on.

We bring more hits do Dr. Dardens site, pure and simple.

For all you know, we're 'plants', from T-mag, drumming up hits.

Danny
PS. Take some fiber.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Yeah I'm with Bi... I mean Danny. Diversity is what makes this site thrive.

No one here should be afraid of alternative viewpoints, which I believe was part of the intent of Neuro's post in the first place.

Though I'm willing to listen to alternative ideas, it doesn't mean I have to sit still and listen to garbage either. When I go to the gym, I'm usually too into my own workouts to bother with any BS conversation with the "volumizers".

By the same token, I don't keep blinders on and have my eyes open for things that others are doing which seems to be working --- or some nice crack floss if there's any around. ;-)

Scott

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highheavy

Tennessee, USA

bodycoach2 wrote:
splice wrote:
holy crap this garbage again. For god sakes give it a rest. IF you don't enjoy the workout don't do it and go to another forum with people who you will listen too. YOU friggen dumbasses come in here spitting you crap and theres no need. THIS IS A FORUM FOR PEOPLE WHO DO A VARITAION OF H.I.T. Get this through your heads. No one on here it here to diss anyone else they foudn a program they like and do it. Oh hiter says this and hitters say that. Get through the tiny brains that are trying to proccess your thought that no one is denying what works and what doesnt work. Everything works but different things work for different people. Man i'm thinking more people need to find a girlfriend to relieve there boredemn and stupid ass comments.


Splice,
The only problem with that advice:
At least on this site, when more people agree, there are fewer posts, fewer hits, and fewer visits to Dr. Dardens website.

Most of the people who listen to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Al Frankin, or other political commentary hosts, DON'T agree with the hosts opinions. Appromiately 20% of the listeners actually LIKE the host, and agree with the opinions. For them, it's boring, since it's what they already believe. The other 80% like to get angry with the hosts. You'll eventually 'hear' the marketing going on.

We bring more hits do Dr. Dardens site, pure and simple.

For all you know, we're 'plants', from T-mag, drumming up hits.

Danny
PS. Take some fiber.

Your correct cheerleader. You generate more interest and hits with your hilarious posts. Anytime we want a good laugh, we can read what the body-cheerleader has to say! By the way, how is the HVT working for you. Are you still growing?
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