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Arthur Jones Trains Casey Viator
for the 1971 Mr. America:

An Old-School Blast from the Past

Casey Viator appears on the front cover of my latest book. I took
this photo of him in New Smyrna Beach, Florida, in July of 1978. Working on this soon-to-published manual brought back a flood of recollections of Viator and his bodybuilding achievements. Below is one of my favorite memories.

"Drive down tomorrow and watch Casey train," Arthur Jones said to me on the phone.

The date was June 9, 1971. I hadn't seen Casey Viator in nine months, so I was anxious to view him working out. Jones had been training Viator on and off for eleven months. Everyone interested in bodybuilding at that time was following the escapades of Jones and Viator through IronMan magazine.

Their big test was the 1971 AAU Mr. America contest, which was to be held in York, Pennsylvania, in three days . . . on June 12th.

"This will be Casey's crowning workout," he continued in his baritone voice. "After observing, you'll be able to judge for yourself whether he'll beat that big red-headed bastard or not." (That redheaded competitor Jones was referring to was Ken Waller, who had placed second to Chris Dickerson in the 1970 Mr. America).

You can read my exercise-by-exercise report of Casey's workout, which involved one set of 15 different exercises, on pages 18 and 19 of my 2004 book, The New HIT. Without being redundant, I want to comment on two of Viator's exercises: the barbell squat and the triceps extension. But first, let me describe the workout setting.

Anything But Fancy

From 1970-1973, Arthur Jones had not yet completed his 20-acre Nautilus headquarters in Lake Helen, Florida. Lake Helen was located in central Florida, approximately 20 miles from Daytona Beach and 5 miles from DeLand.

Thus, for the first three years, Jones's training facility was situated behind the DeLand High School in an old army, semi-circular, Quonset hut. The hut was dimly lit, humid, and musty-smelling. The floors were concrete and there was no reliable heating or cooling in the structure. High-school athletes and a few local fitness buffs used the facility, along with Jones and his selected bodybuilders.

As you entered through the front door, there was a Universal Gym machine on the right and a Nautilus Combination Biceps/Triceps Machine on the left. At the far end were prototypes of the Nautilus Pullover, Behind Neck, and Rowing Machines. In the middle were squat racks, several old Olympic barbells, and half a dozen dumbbells.

The surroundings were ordinary. But when Jones was there with his entourage, the gym became electric – with Arthur barking orders, assistants preparing the equipment, and visitors with eyes as big as saucers hanging around the door. Jones filled the place with muscle-building excitement.

Viator, who usually showed up 5 minutes before Jones arrived, told me that his heart rate would double when Jones walked into the gym. "He kept me pissed off most of the time," Casey remembered, "with all his intimidation tactics and demands. No one could get me into the max-training mode the way Arthur could. I hated what he made me do during my workouts . . . but I loved the results."

"Due to the workout's intensity and pace, plus the lack of circulating air," Larry Gilmore noted, "we sweated gallons during each workout." Gilmore was a local lifter, who often helped Jones with his training. "The air in the Quonset hut was usually foul, due to guys missing the bucket when they had to puke. (Two medium-sized buckets were in the room.) But you know what? You could sure get a ball-busting workout, if you had a mind to."

Which brings us back to my comments on Viator's performance of the barbell squat. (PS: I wish I'd taken some photos during Viator's workout. But it would've been difficult without a flash attachment, which would've been a big distraction. Still, I wish I had tried.)

The Barbell Squat

At approximately 9 o'clock on the night of June 10, 1971, Viator did 13 repetitions in the squat with a 500-pound barbell. None of his reps were half squats. They were all ass-to-heels, full squats – performed after he pre-exhausted with 750 pounds on the leg press for 20 reps, followed by 225 pounds on the leg extension for another 20 reps . . . with no rest between the exercises.

That's right, Jones pushed Viator through a double pre-exhaustion cycle: leg press, leg extension, and squat, performed back-to-back-to-back . . . with very heavy weights, in good form, for maximum repetitions . . . which was the ultimate in HIGH INTENSITY.

I had never seen anything like this leg cycle. Can you imagine squatting with a 500-pound barbell 13 times . . . after pre-exhausting your thighs?

Jones was on the left side of Viator encouraging him – or I should say shouting at him: "Slow down. Hold your head up. Keep going. Don't quit. Think about that big redhead's thighs. Goddamn it, Casey, get three more. Breathe deeply. Now . . . one more."

It worked. Viator exceeded Jones's expectations. His heart rate must have been more than 220 beats per minute for at least 2 minutes.  I'd never envisioned such intensity – ever.

Early in 2005, I interviewed Casey for my latest book, The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results, and he remembered that workout well (it would be difficult to forget).  "I planned to hold back a little on those squats because I knew I had a bunch more stuff to do, but with 500 pounds on my back and the adrenalin flowing, all I could do was think 'Get 10 reps.' I was really surprised when I got 12 and couldn't believe I made 13. I knew then that the workout was going to be a real bitch."

A real bitch it was. From my 45 years of training experience, that three-exercise leg cycle was the most demanding and impressive series that I've ever seen.

Jones talked about it later and stated that . . . "Paul Anderson (who, at one time, was considered the world's strongest man), in his best condition, could have duplicated Viator's leg cycle. But to do so, he'd had to have an injection of Novocain in each thigh to combat the pain. Furthermore, if Anderson had survived this feat, he'd have probably died afterward."

Viator not only performed that cycle in championship style, but after a two-minute rest and some water, he continued his workout. His next-to-last movement, in his 15-exercise routine, was the triceps extension performed on the Nautilus Combination Biceps/Triceps Machine.

The Triceps Extension

On this night, Jones loaded Casey's triceps with 125 pounds – which was more than I ever saw anyone use on that plate-loading arm machine, particularly at the end of a routine. Perhaps 125 pounds doesn't sound like a lot of weight, but this Nautilus Triceps station placed him into a tight, vertical position that made it impossible to cheat. Only his triceps were called into action on this precision exercise.

Casey initiated the repetitions deliberately . . . one by one, from a full stretch to maximum contraction and back. Again, Jones was near his ear, urging him to pause, lower slowly, and continue.

At repetition 8, Viator was spent . . . he couldn't quite make the contracted position, even with Jones's coaxing. Jones calmly looked him in the eyes and said: "That redhead in California is going to get the best of you." That motivated Viator into finishing number 8 and, in fact, making another rep in better form than the one before. The 10th rep, however, was a no-go. Casey couldn't get it started.

In an instant, Jones had two assistants lift Viator out of the sweat-dampened triceps machine and hustle him over to the nearby parallel dips bars, which were connected to one side of the Universal Gym machine.

I could tell Casey did NOT like the idea of doing dips . . . especially after punishing his triceps on the previous machine.

But then, Casey seemed to get a second wind – no, it was a third or fourth wind – and mounted the parallel bars and started his dips.

He was near the end of the hardest-training session I've ever witnessed and he had just finished blasting his triceps on a Nautilus machine.  Could he really be expected to do more than 3 or 4 dips?

That, in fact, is the very question I asked Arthur as I moved around him as he peered over his horned-rimed glasses and examined Casey's previous workout on his chart.

"Three or 4 reps, you say," Jones noted. "He'll do 20 . . . or I'll kick his ass up around his shoulders."

Up and down Viator went as if his arms were connected to a couple of well-oiled pistons. The first 10 were slow, smooth, and steady. The second 10 were a bit faster, with Jones questioning his manhood on 18, 19, and 20. The final two (reps 21 and 22) were painfully s-l-o-w, with Viator's upper body drenched in sweat and his triceps, deltoids, and pecs almost vibrating through his skin.

"Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah," bellowed from Viator's lungs as Arthur commanded him to do a controlled lowering on the final rep.


As Viator sunk to one knee, Jones smiled ever so slightly. His work was almost completed.

He let Casey slither over to a jug of cold water and linger for a couple of minutes. In the interim, he noted that Viator's entire workout – legs, back shoulders, chest, and arms – had taken exactly 27 minutes and 40 seconds. Jones claimed they'd have finished in 25 minutes or less, if the gym had not been so crowded.

Then Jones signaled to Viator: "Come over here. Take off your shirt and let's see how you look?"

I moved into a front position because I wanted to view Casey's upper-body muscles contracted up close. First, he hit a double-biceps pose. All of the dozen or so people in the room, with the exception of Jones, were dumbfounded. His arms resembled wet footballs with pulsating veins.

Second, he went into a side-chest pose and his deltoids and pecs looked as if they were armor plated and about 18-inches thick. Then, he turned 90 degrees and hit a back pose. From his hips up to his neck there was nothing but mounds of muscle on top of more muscle, with striations everywhere.

Even in the dimly lit Quonset hut, Casey's back, shoulders, chest, and arms seemed to glow and be almost on fire. When he contracted intensely, his muscles appeared as if they were about to erupt from his skin.

I had entered the 1969 and 1970 AAU Mr. America contests, so I had seen most of the top bodybuilders at that time do their posing routines. But I had never seen anyone as massive, as cut, and as explosive in a pose . . . as was Casey Viator that night.

The Winner Is . . .

From what I observed that night, I was sure Viator would defeat Ken Waller and win the Mr. America title. Interestingly, two days later, Waller was disqualified from the Amateur Athletic Union for appearing in a non-sanctioned, exercise-related magazine advertisement several months earlier. Thus, the Viator/Waller confrontation never occurred. But Casey competed against 32 other men on June 12th and easily won the 1971 AAU Mr. America.

Said one of the judges: "Viator was simply overpowering!" I was thinking to myself, "Was it Viator – or Jones – who was overpowering? Or, was it their combined talents working together? 

After the 1971 Mr. America, Viator had plans to enter the NABBA Mr. Universe, which was scheduled for early September in London, England. Unfortunately, he had a disagreement with Jones and took a leave of absence from training for several months and he did not go to the Mr. Universe event.

Furthermore, after that June 10, 1971, supervised workout, Jones never again trained Viator seriously. No, I take that back. He did train Viator 14 times in May of 1973 during the Colorado Experiment. But that was a part of a research project, and not for a bodybuilding championship.

1978 NABBA Mr. Universe

In February of 1978, after another lengthy leave of absence as well being out-of-training for almost a year, Viator returned to Jones and the Nautilus headquarters. He declared that he wanted to enter the NABBA Mr. Universe in September. Thus, it became part of Jim Flanagan's and my job to train Casey for this contest.

Flanagan, who was 6-foot 5-inches tall and weighed 265 pounds, and I trained him three times per week on whole-body routines, some of which I chronicle in my new book. Over the next five months, Viator's body weight increased from 194 to 220 pounds – which was 2 pounds more than he weighed at his Mr. America win seven years earlier.

I took hundreds of photos of Casey in the summer of 1978 and some of the best ones are in The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results, including the cover shot that I mentioned previously.

At the Mr. Universe, Viator placed a controversial second to Dave Johns. Many in the audience thought Viator should have won.

Crossing that Line

Jim Flanagan and I pushed Casey as hard as we could during our six months' tenure with him in 1978. But it wasn't quite the same as having Arthur Jones at his shoulder and . . . in his face.

During a workout, Jones had a way of quickly finding and hitting a person's "hot" buttons. That style certainly worked with Viator – and it worked with many other lifters.

Some bodybuilders can be pushed, some can't. Those who can be pushed are usually the high achievers. 

Working with bodybuilders for more than four decades, I've discovered that there's a thin line between those who can and those who can't. Crossing that line and accepting proactive pushing can make a significant difference toward getting the best-possible gains.

If you're interested in making the most of your potential for muscular size and strength, you've got to determine which side of the line you're on.

If you're teetering on the can't-be-pushed side, do something about it. Get involved with a coach or training partner who knows how to hit your hot buttons.

Old-school taskmaster Arthur Jones helped Casey Viator and a lot of trainees cross that line . . . and achieve maximum results.

One of the best pictures I've ever seen of Arthur Jones is on the back cover of The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results. Jones's exercise guidelines were always up front, thought provoking, and relevant. When Jones trained you, there was no straddling the line. You did it his way . . . or you left with hurt feelings
and a bent suit. (Photo by Walter Coker)


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BF Bullpup

Massachusetts, USA

Awesome read, Dr. Darden. You have a buyer already. :-D
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yep...I'm ready to get my copy..as I'm sure everyone else here is too
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Joe Roark

Your new book will be on my top shelf as soon as I am strong enough to lift it up there!

Still fresh in the carryover memories of my younger days are your splendid early books about the pioneering days you spent at the Camelot hut.

Hope you are doing well! If you need any advice on how to train, I am always here for you, buddy:)
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Can't wait to get my copy!

When did you say it will be available?
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Another gem to add to my vast - near 3 decade - collection! Availability???
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Dr Darden

My money's ready and so am I.

I challenge anybody in Dubai to come up with a more extensive HIT library then mine. I think I must have almost every single one of Dr Darden's books.
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New York, USA

Can't wait to get this book!

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Mark Mills

Ohio, USA

Add me to the list of people who want this book! Thanks for writing about a great time in the sport.
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wow what a great shot of Viator...even by today's standards..will we ever see another like him in our time?
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I think Casey saw his best days very early on in his career, which is amazing, that someone could be that developed at 19. It just goes to show you the extreme variance of the genetic elite from the genetically average.

I'm hanging out for Dr. D's new book, they're always a good read.
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I think Casey saw his best days very early on in his career, which is amazing, that someone could be that developed at 19. It just goes to show you the extreme variance of the genetic elite from the genetically average.

I'm hanging out for Dr. D's new book, they're always a good read.

Casey's bodyweight gains or losses were as follows.

Using High Volume Training
1969 175Ibs
1970 198Ibs

Using HIT
1971 218Ibs
1973 200Ibs
1978 220Ibs
1979 205Ibs

So a total max gain of 22Ibs using HIT for nine years of training but made a 23Ibs gain in one year using HVT(1969/70).


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Strange math, Mark. The way I crunch the numbers is 20lbs in one year (198 to 218).

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Ellington Darden


Concerning Viator's body weight, if you read Drew Baye's Interview of me (Part 1), you'll see Jones only trained Viator 41 times in the year preceding his Mr. America win. Jones did not train him continuously, week after week, for 11 months.

Jones trained Viator continuously in July and August of 1970, as well as most of November. Then, in 1971, he only trained him in May.

Jones always figured that if he had trained Viator continuously for 6 months, Casey's body weight would gone to 235 pounds or beyond.

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I can't wait for this book.
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bobj wrote:
Strange math, Mark. The way I crunch the numbers is 20lbs in one year (198 to 218).

It is 22Ibs
Begining of HIT 1970 198IBs
Peak Max Weight 1978 220Ibs
Read the story by Dr. Darden first then do the math.

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markandspike wrote:
bobj wrote:
Strange math, Mark. The way I crunch the numbers is 20lbs in one year (198 to 218).

It is 22Ibs
Begining of HIT 1970 198IBs
Peak Max Weight 1978 220Ibs
Read the story by Dr. Darden first then do the math.


His peak weight using HIT may have (only) been 220lb, but he made larger amounts of specific muscle gain using HIT. i.e. the 63lb he gained in a month during the Colarado experiment. He never made that sort of muscle gain using HVT.

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What is 'specific muscle gain', as compared to what the 'other muscle gain' he made?

Remember not all 63lbs Casey gained during the Colorado Exp. was virgin muscle. He was coming back from a layoff and injury. I'd say take his previous muscular high bodyweight, subtract that from the 63lbs and you have a better idea of what was really gained.

I'm not sure what those numbers would be.
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Chapter 14
The Colorado Experiment
By Casey Viator

There has been a lot of documentation and controversy regarding this entire operation. I would like to put my two cents worth in and tell everyone exactly how this went down for the record.

Here is my (Casey Viator) accounting:

I really had to diet hard to get my bodyweight down to 168 lbs. We calculated that my diet before the experiment was less than 800 calories per day.

I remember flying to Colorado in one of Arthur Jones airplanes, a Cherokee Six. Arthur always flew very high in the Commercial Jet Lanes in a decompressed cabin which always gave me the worst headaches. Arriving from Florida to Fort Collins,
Colorado, I had more to contend with than I had prepared myself for. I was one mile high and I had to aclimate quickly, but I knew food was coming soon. We arrived at the Lamplighter Inn, just outside of Fort Collins, where I was going
to spend the next 28 days of working hard, training and eating, no fun, maybe a movie now and then, we were there to work not play. Think about it, every day for the next month - eating, training my brains out like an animal, sleeping -
that was my job.

The next step was the weigh in. Body Fat count at Colorado State University was a very complex process. We used the Merrimac BodyFat Counter. This is one of the best Veterinarian Colleges in the World. The BodyFat Machine, or counter, was contained in a solid lead room with a huge crystal that was placed over my body. The radioactivity from my muscles registered my lean body mass.

Remember this was the 70's and this particular machine was considered State of the Art. I never questioned the accuracy, and still don't, of this equipment. This experiment actually showed me that even in my low bodyweight, I still gained weight and lost bodyfat. Eating was quite easy the first week after all my previous month and a half of dieting. With a healthy cash incentive per pound of muscle gain, I was raring to go.

The next step was to convert the Physiology Lab into a training facility. We had about 20 pieces of Nautilus equipment and prototypes to move to the second floor. There was even talk about the structural integrity of the second floor accomodating these pieces. Many tons of equipment was moved to that floor.

We had brought a new line of negative prototypes that we used for testing. For example, we moved the weight up into the contracted position for the muscle with our feet and lowered it with our biceps or triceps. We even had a negative bench
press which worked in the same fashion. There were many other types of prototypes such as the single pad Squat Machine. This piece was a real workout but in the end the mechanism that locked you out of the machine could not be perfected, hence it never ended up as a production model - all considered, this was a great machine.

The first week or so these training sessions were very difficult. I was untrained for 5 months and my hand had atrophied quite a bit. The first two
sessions I ended up on the floor with a pulse rate close to fibrillation. But, as they say, "what won't kill you will only make you stronger." I tried to keep
my fat content down during my 6-8 meals per day. During my workout sessions,
Arthur would more or less sit in a chair and read the newspaper. If he figured I
was slowing down my pace he would say something insulting and I would get mad
and push even harder into the set, which made me achieve better gains.

The only rule was keeping perfect form. This was a game he and I played for
almost 10 years off and on. One thing about the man, he sure knows how to "piss"
someone off to make them work harder through their workouts!

My workload was so intense that my body absorbed everything I ate. My muscles
were coming back rapidly. This was a true case of muscle memory.

Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came
into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to
gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending
this study for years.

There has been a lot of questions regarding steroid use. Many people claimed
that I loaded up for this experiment. I can honestly say that there was no use
of steroids during this study, which is a very important point.

I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have
done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I
also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.

The rest factor is very important when an entire body workout is performed.
Proper sleeping and eating habits are also very important factors. When you work
your bodyparts three times a week briefly but intensely your body has to grow.
Proper sequence of pre-exhausting exercises is very important also. The safety
factor is observed very closely, especially during the first part of each
movement. That is when you have the strength to injure your self. The last part
of any exercise is usually not the most dangerous point, your muscles are simply
too weak to injure at that point. Throwing a weight or dropping or lowering a
weight too fast at any time can injure a subject.

The Denver Broncos came in for training sessions and to watch us go through our
fast paced training. Dick Butkus of the Chicago Bears was also there training
and observing what was going on. I was very proud of the results that took place
in Colorado and feel that this study has contributed to the awareness of how
much time is wasted in most individuals workouts. This experiment is still being
studied in colleges across the country today and also can be found on the

I must say that I have injured myself on many an occasion in the gym - with
pectoral tears, lower inguinal hernias and many other injuries, however I really
managed to stay injury free using this type of heavy training, so I felt I had
to test out my boundaries. At my current age of 48, I feel this is not safe for
the average man: 750 lbs. squat, 500 lbs. incline bench press, 1500 lbs. leg

As I mature, I feel moderation would have been better for my overall well being.
Every injury was caused by bad form or explosive movements. If I can teach one
person the hazards of this type of training, I would really be very happy.

If any trainee is considering doing this type of training, I would make sure
that you work at your individual pace and push yourself just enough so you can finish the entire body routine.
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Quote from Casey Viator

Many people have questioned the validity of this study. A lot of factors came into play, one of which is genetics. The average man would not have been able to gain 63 lbs. of raw muscle, which Arthur Jones and myself have been defending this study for years. I was closely monitored in a closed door environment. Believe me, I would have done anything to have gained that weight, but I knew my rebound potential and I also knew I would make remarkable gains even before the study began.

Should this man be the face of HIT.
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Taken from an interview of Casey by Brian D Johnston

BDJ: It's apparent that you, as well as any top-caliber athlete or bodybuilder took anabolic steroids. How much do you feel they contributed to your progress?

CV: I don't encourage anyone to use steroids, however if people do, do it under a physician's guidance. I do feel it gives you an edge. Remember Ben Johnson, 100 meter sprinter expelled for his steroid use? He looked like a bodybuilder and he ran like he was shot out of a cannon. If steroids didn't help him, it damn sure didn't hurt him.

BDJ: Did you find that you became psychologically dependent on steroids during your competitive years and did you incur any long-term side effects?

CV: Steroids are used for a purpose. I know some people who take them just to attend a physique show, just to sit in the audience. Pro Ball players OK, Pro Bodybuilders OK, casual use for no reason definitely not.

Now tell me New Bodybuilding for Old School Results.

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Dr. Darden,

One thing I don't understand about Casey is what kind of fiber types he would have and how he could tolerate such high reps that would go with double pre-exhaustion. The conventional wisdom is that the fast twitch muscles are the most capable of growth. But, they aren't usually capable of lasting that long. If Casey had predominatly slow twitch, which would enable him to endure sets like you describe, how would he be able to lift such unbelievable loads, like 500 pound squats for reps and get so much hypertrophy? I'm not doubting that he did it at all, I'm just trying to understand the science.

On one hand he was capable of incredible feats of endurance (the leg cycle you desribed) and at the same time was capable of incredible strength. Usually you don't find the same capabilities in one individual. If he was mostly fast twitch, which would explain the strength and size, what would explain the endurance? If he was slow twitch, what would explain the strength and size?

Did anyone at Nautilus do a muscle biopsy on Casey?


David Sears
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markandspike wrote:

CV: Steroids are used for a purpose. I know some people who take them just to attend a physique show, just to sit in the audience. Pro Ball players OK, Pro Bodybuilders OK, casual use for no reason definitely not.

Now tell me New Bodybuilding for Old School Results.



I believe an average or a non genetic freak human being, such as Viator, couldn't have succeeded in pro BB exclusively from usage of anabolic steroids.

The only example that comes in mind right now is the 6 times TDF winner, Armstrong. It doesn't matter if I or you take his "supllements" and train hard - we wouldn't get as far as he had.

I somewhat tend to agree with you on the non validness of Viator being a "role model", or the face of the new HIT, but let's face it - do we honestly believe there is a pro athlete out there, who doesn't use forbidden drugs?

Furthermore, regardless of the moral aspects of doping and competitiveness, a sad (depends on who's talking) reality nowadays:
the better and more sophisticated doctors you have, the better achieving athlete you'll become.

So I still believe there's value to training and to the genetic potential of athletes, but you wouldn't make it to the top, unless you can afford (or sponsor) a good "Ferrari"
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markandspike wrote:

Now tell me New Bodybuilding for Old School Results.

Mark, are you turning in your HIT-membership card? It sounds like you don't want to be one of the gang anymore, given the derogatory and suggestive language of your most recent posts.
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markandspike wrote:

Now tell me New Bodybuilding for Old School Results.

Mark, are you turning in your HIT-membership card? It sounds like you don't want to be one of the gang anymore, given the derogatory and suggestive language of your most recent posts.

No i still train HIT and will continue to as well, but more in-line with Stuart McRoberts methods.

Dont get me wrong i am all for training HIT in some method or other. But think Dr Darden/Jones uses the wrong people to promote HIT. Dr Darden always quotes in his books that the test subjects have above average genetic's but why not promote HIT using average or below average people.

In his last book TNHIT (Which was researched about 10 years ago so not that new) Keith Hudlow had above average genetics which Dr Darden quotes. It also says in the book Keith was a GYM INSTRUCTOR but why was he so badly out of shape for a guy in his mid-twenties.

And yes will still buy Dr Darden's new book at some point in the future when it has come down in price on amazon.

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