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Obviously we are in the minority, but it would be cool to for us to have "our own" diet and nutrition thread.

I would be interested in hearing what some you eat and what your results have been. And also how your HIT training has been affected by eating less carbs.

Off-hand, I know HIT, amg455, coma, and Swedish Viking all eat "primarily meat" with "monitored" (not necessarily few) carbs, so hopefully some of you will join in and we can all TOGETHER help each other out.
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Norway

NATUREBOY wrote:
Obviously we are in the minority, but it would be cool to for us to have "our own" diet and nutrition thread.

I would be interested in hearing what some you eat and what your results have been. And also how your HIT training has been affected by eating less carbs.

Off-hand, I know HIT, amg455, coma, and Swedish Viking all eat "primarily meat" with "monitored" (not necessarily few) carbs, so hopefully some of you will join in and we can all TOGETHER help each other out.


Hi. I have used the 60/20/20 approach with no success. Constantly hungry and i didn't lose weight when eating 2000kcal. I changed to a 75% fat, 5% carbs and 20% protein diet and I ain't hungry anymore, and I am losing weight on 2500kcal.

I believed in the "Calorie-theory" before, but I don't anymore. I think macronutrint breakdown is very important, all calories aren't vreated equal.

Look at this:
http://www.nutritionandmetabol...

An example: a bear eat other animals during the spring/summer/fall and doesn't gain a lot of weight. When he wants to gain a lot of bodyfat (1/3 of his already existing weigth) he eats A LOT of blueberrys. Blueberrys raises insulin levels, blunt fat burning = the bear can gain weigth before he goes to sleep for the winter.


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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

I'm not a low carb guy but when I was thinking about HITs bear example I remmembered a book I read titled Undaunted Courage. It was about Lewis and Clark's trek across the North American Continent searching for an east-west waterway. Long Story short they mainly fed on venison (alot of venison) and couldn't understand why they were always so hungry. Maybe it was the lack of carbs? Food for thought. Good book by the way.

Ryan
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NATUREBOY

HIT wrote:

Hi. I have used the 60/20/20 approach with no success. Constantly hungry and i didn't lose weight when eating 2000kcal. I changed to a 75% fat, 5% carbs and 20% protein diet and I ain't hungry anymore, and I am losing weight on 2500kcal.

I believed in the "Calorie-theory" before, but I don't anymore. I think macronutrint breakdown is very important, all calories aren't treated equal.



Yes, I've heard about this. According to Atkins, fat is even more ketosis-inducing than protein since it does not convert to glucose as readily as protein does, in the absence of carbs. Interesting! How much weight have you lost since eating this way?
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Cherry

All these stories about Eskimo's and treks across the land under great hardship etc..

CK out Ornish, Pritikin, McDougall ..

for RESULTS under CONTROLLED conditions!

Here's their gameplan: take PRE-xrays. Go on diet. Take POST-x-rays. SEE IMPROVEMENT.

what else do you want? Pre to Post = improvement
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HIT

Norway

NATUREBOY wrote:
HIT wrote:

Hi. I have used the 60/20/20 approach with no success. Constantly hungry and i didn't lose weight when eating 2000kcal. I changed to a 75% fat, 5% carbs and 20% protein diet and I ain't hungry anymore, and I am losing weight on 2500kcal.

I believed in the "Calorie-theory" before, but I don't anymore. I think macronutrint breakdown is very important, all calories aren't treated equal.



Yes, I've heard about this. According to Atkins, fat is even more ketosis-inducing than protein since it does not convert to glucose as readily as protein does, in the absence of carbs. Interesting! How much weight have you lost since eating this way?


If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)

There is a fear about saturated fat, a big fear... Which kind of fat is stored as bodyfat?? Saturated fat is stored on our bodies, why would the body store the "evil" kind of bodyfat on our bodies? If you want to destroy the myth about saturated fats please read "know your fats" by Mary G. Enig

I will keeep you updated on how the diet goes...



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Cherry

HIT wrote:
NATUREBOY wrote:
HIT wrote:

Hi. I have used the 60/20/20 approach with no success. Constantly hungry and i didn't lose weight when eating 2000kcal. I changed to a 75% fat, 5% carbs and 20% protein diet and I ain't hungry anymore, and I am losing weight on 2500kcal.

I believed in the "Calorie-theory" before, but I don't anymore. I think macronutrint breakdown is very important, all calories aren't treated equal.



Yes, I've heard about this. According to Atkins, fat is even more ketosis-inducing than protein since it does not convert to glucose as readily as protein does, in the absence of carbs. Interesting! How much weight have you lost since eating this way?

If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)

There is a fear about saturated fat, a big fear... Which kind of fat is stored as bodyfat?? Saturated fat is stored on our bodies, why would the body store the "evil" kind of bodyfat on our bodies? If you want to destroy the myth about saturated fats please read "know your fats" by Mary G. Enig

I will keeep you updated on how the diet goes...






where is "Mary's" pre and post x-rays, dude??
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NATUREBOY

HIT wrote:

If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)



Yep. Everything I've read tells me that, in the absence of glycogen, your body MUST burn fat for fuel. There is no way around it. Period.

I've always had good success with ketosis-producing diets, but somehow I always get suckered into going back to the balanced approach.

I'm planning on starting back up tomorrow, though.

Here's what I plan on eating:

Breakfast: 2 Whole Eggs w/ Cheese
Lunch: Garden Salad & Ranch Dressing
Snack: 1c Cottage Cheese, Almonds
Dinner: Steak & Green Veggies
Snack: Diet Jello, Diet Cool Whip, etc

I've lost nearly 40 lbs using this diet a year ago - from 270 lbs down to about 230.

Hopefully, by the time I've had my 1st-year HIT anniversary in April, I will be down to 200 lbs & 12-15% body fat; which is damn good for my body type and large frame.

I've increased in size and strength dramatically since starting HIT, but still need to work on aesthetics.

I'm about to start the following:

1. Standing Calf Raises
2. Squat
3. Leg Extension / Leg Curl
4. Stiff-Legged Deadlift
5. Reverse Grip Pulldown
6. Front Raises
7. Lateral Raises / Bent-Arm Fly
8. Biceps Curl / Triceps Press
9. Bench Press
10. Neck Flexion & Extension

All one-set-to-failure, 2x's week, on Monday and Friday, with an ocassional NTF workout here and there.

How is your workout looking? I know you were kind of disgruntled not too long ago. Change your routine up?

Tell me about the cardio. What do you do/planning on doing?

I have avoided cardio since starting HIT but I know I need extra activity to help with the fat loss. I've always played tons of sports so I am in very good condition cardio-wise (I average 15-30 seconds between sets in my HIT workout) but have poor endurance, unfortuantely. Pretty good at sprinting; will fall over and die in running anything more than 2 miles.
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NATUREBOY

Cherry wrote:
All these stories about Eskimo's and treks across the land under great hardship etc..

CK out Ornish, Pritikin, McDougall ..

for RESULTS under CONTROLLED conditions!

Here's their gameplan: take PRE-xrays. Go on diet. Take POST-x-rays. SEE IMPROVEMENT.

what else do you want? Pre to Post = improvement



Cherry, low-carb eating is not necessarily high-fat eating. In fact, this is actually a very, very natural diet, with tons of vegetables - which I know you like.

Obviously, there must be some fat to make up for the lack of carbs, but not all low-carb diets are "bacon-cheeseburgers without the bun". If you were to list everything you ate for the day, I think you would be very suprised, especially with your appreciation for plant foods.
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HIT

Norway

NATUREBOY wrote:
HIT wrote:

If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)



Yep. Everything I've read tells me that, in the absence of glycogen, your body MUST burn fat for fuel. There is no way around it. Period.

I've always had good success with ketosis-producing diets, but somehow I always get suckered into going back to the balanced approach.

I'm planning on starting back up tomorrow, though.

Here's what I plan on eating:

Breakfast: 2 Whole Eggs w/ Cheese
Lunch: Garden Salad & Ranch Dressing
Snack: 1c Cottage Cheese, Almonds
Dinner: Steak & Green Veggies
Snack: Diet Jello, Diet Cool Whip, etc

I've lost nearly 40 lbs using this diet a year ago - from 270 lbs down to about 230.

Hopefully, by the time I've had my 1st-year HIT anniversary in April, I will be down to 200 lbs & 12-15% body fat; which is damn good for my body type and large frame.

I've increased in size and strength dramatically since starting HIT, but still need to work on aesthetics.

I'm about to start the following:

1. Standing Calf Raises
2. Squat
3. Leg Extension / Leg Curl
4. Stiff-Legged Deadlift
5. Reverse Grip Pulldown
6. Front Raises
7. Lateral Raises / Bent-Arm Fly
8. Biceps Curl / Triceps Press
9. Bench Press
10. Neck Flexion & Extension

All one-set-to-failure, 2x's week, on Monday and Friday, with an ocassional NTF workout here and there.

How is your workout looking? I know you were kind of disgruntled not too long ago. Change your routine up?

Tell me about the cardio. What do you do/planning on doing?

I have avoided cardio since starting HIT but I know I need extra activity to help with the fat loss. I've always played tons of sports so I am in very good condition cardio-wise (I average 15-30 seconds between sets in my HIT workout) but have poor endurance, unfortuantely. Pretty good at sprinting; will fall over and die in running anything more than 2 miles.


Read more about "the optimal diet" here: http://homodiet.netfirms.com/...ptimaldiet1.htm

I follow the guidlines shown by a former fat guy from sweden that are close to the "optimal diet" by Jan Kwasiniewski. Www.skaldeman.se (only in swedish).

I'm planning to train either 2 or 3 times a weeks, either the whole body each time or split it up in 2 parts. The last weeks I have just trained and been waiting to see how the body adjust to use only fat (dietfat and bodyfat) as the only energysource. I am feeling good/great now, but I didn't feel great the first 3-4 days.



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HIT

Norway

Cherry wrote:
All these stories about Eskimo's and treks across the land under great hardship etc..

CK out Ornish, Pritikin, McDougall ..

for RESULTS under CONTROLLED conditions!

Here's their gameplan: take PRE-xrays. Go on diet. Take POST-x-rays. SEE IMPROVEMENT.

what else do you want? Pre to Post = improvement


About Pritkin, didn't he take he take his life before reached 70? Pritkins dietist jumped of "the Pritkin bandwagon" because the Pritkin followers ruined their health by eating vegetarian food. She now recommends a meat-based diet...

Afraid about cholesterol?
http://homodiet.netfirms.com/...cholesterol.htm

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Cherry

HIT wrote:
Cherry wrote:
All these stories about Eskimo's and treks across the land under great hardship etc..

CK out Ornish, Pritikin, McDougall ..

for RESULTS under CONTROLLED conditions!

Here's their gameplan: take PRE-xrays. Go on diet. Take POST-x-rays. SEE IMPROVEMENT.

what else do you want? Pre to Post = improvement

About Pritkin, didn't he take he take his life before reached 70? Pritkins dietist jumped of "the Pritkin bandwagon" because the Pritkin followers ruined their health by eating vegetarian food. She now recommends a meat-based diet...

Afraid about cholesterol?
http://homodiet.netfirms.com/...cholesterol.htm




Pritikin died at age of 72 after 35 year struggle with leukemia. In his early 50's he was diagnosed with heart disease. It was at this point in his life he decided to find a dietary solution to his health problem. Pritikin was conceived as a result of his research. An autopsy was performed at the time of his death at age 72. No evidence of cardiovascular disease was evident.

Your link points to one lone voice against DECADES and REAMS of evidence to the contrary. I'll stick with the published research, you can hang your hat on ONE man's dissenting opinion.

Have another pound of bacon.

:)
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NATUREBOY

HIT wrote:

Read more about "the optimal diet" here: http://homodiet.netfirms.com/...ptimaldiet1.htm



Great read so far, Thanks!

The menus look great: http://homodiet.netfirms.com/...enu/day_one.htm
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amg455

ryansergent wrote:
I'm not a low carb guy but when I was thinking about HITs bear example I remmembered a book I read titled Undaunted Courage. It was about Lewis and Clark's trek across the North American Continent searching for an east-west waterway. Long Story short they mainly fed on venison (alot of venison) and couldn't understand why they were always so hungry. Maybe it was the lack of carbs? Food for thought. Good book by the way.

Ryan



Ryan, the reason it happened WAS NOT due to lack of carbs but WAS DUE to lack of consuming fat. The fact is that eating lean meat AND only lean meat will make you sick and can cause death in extreme situations. This is called extreme fat-hunger also known as rabbit-starvation. The "victim" will develop diarrhea in about a week, with headache, lassitude, and a vague discomfort as well as not be able to feel full DUE TO LACK OF FAT CONSUMPTION. In fact, I have read that in South America, it is utilized as a means of torture used on prisoners (and apparently is pretty damn bad). Primitive man and all native tribes made a consistent effort to consume fat with their meat and would often favor fat over meat. In spite of claims to the contrary, the diet of the cave man was not one of lean meat. Paleolithic man always ate his meat with fat. To summarize, it was in no way related to lack of carbs. Carbs are not needed. Period.
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amg455

HIT wrote:
NATUREBOY wrote:
HIT wrote:

If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)



Yep. Everything I've read tells me that, in the absence of glycogen, your body MUST burn fat for fuel. There is no way around it. Period.

I've always had good success with ketosis-producing diets, but somehow I always get suckered into going back to the balanced approach.

I'm planning on starting back up tomorrow, though.

Here's what I plan on eating:

Breakfast: 2 Whole Eggs w/ Cheese
Lunch: Garden Salad & Ranch Dressing
Snack: 1c Cottage Cheese, Almonds
Dinner: Steak & Green Veggies
Snack: Diet Jello, Diet Cool Whip, etc

I've lost nearly 40 lbs using this diet a year ago - from 270 lbs down to about 230.

Hopefully, by the time I've had my 1st-year HIT anniversary in April, I will be down to 200 lbs & 12-15% body fat; which is damn good for my body type and large frame.

I've increased in size and strength dramatically since starting HIT, but still need to work on aesthetics.

I'm about to start the following:

1. Standing Calf Raises
2. Squat
3. Leg Extension / Leg Curl
4. Stiff-Legged Deadlift
5. Reverse Grip Pulldown
6. Front Raises
7. Lateral Raises / Bent-Arm Fly
8. Biceps Curl / Triceps Press
9. Bench Press
10. Neck Flexion & Extension

All one-set-to-failure, 2x's week, on Monday and Friday, with an ocassional NTF workout here and there.

How is your workout looking? I know you were kind of disgruntled not too long ago. Change your routine up?

Tell me about the cardio. What do you do/planning on doing?

I have avoided cardio since starting HIT but I know I need extra activity to help with the fat loss. I've always played tons of sports so I am in very good condition cardio-wise (I average 15-30 seconds between sets in my HIT workout) but have poor endurance, unfortuantely. Pretty good at sprinting; will fall over and die in running anything more than 2 miles.

Read more about "the optimal diet" here: http://homodiet.netfirms.com/...ptimaldiet1.htm

I follow the guidlines shown by a former fat guy from sweden that are close to the "optimal diet" by Jan Kwasiniewski. Www.skaldeman.se (only in swedish).

I'm planning to train either 2 or 3 times a weeks, either the whole body each time or split it up in 2 parts. The last weeks I have just trained and been waiting to see how the body adjust to use only fat (dietfat and bodyfat) as the only energysource. I am feeling good/great now, but I didn't feel great the first 3-4 days.





HIT, that site is excellent and I have followed Jan's recommendations as well. I prefer a more strict approach with limited foods but only because it helps me control calories (and I'm not interested in consuming blood sausage).

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amg455

HIT wrote:
NATUREBOY wrote:
HIT wrote:

Hi. I have used the 60/20/20 approach with no success. Constantly hungry and i didn't lose weight when eating 2000kcal. I changed to a 75% fat, 5% carbs and 20% protein diet and I ain't hungry anymore, and I am losing weight on 2500kcal.

I believed in the "Calorie-theory" before, but I don't anymore. I think macronutrint breakdown is very important, all calories aren't treated equal.



Yes, I've heard about this. According to Atkins, fat is even more ketosis-inducing than protein since it does not convert to glucose as readily as protein does, in the absence of carbs. Interesting! How much weight have you lost since eating this way?

If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)

There is a fear about saturated fat, a big fear... Which kind of fat is stored as bodyfat?? Saturated fat is stored on our bodies, why would the body store the "evil" kind of bodyfat on our bodies? If you want to destroy the myth about saturated fats please read "know your fats" by Mary G. Enig

I will keeep you updated on how the diet goes...






All good and correct information. In total agreeance on everything.
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NATUREBOY

Ryan,

Have you ever seen a polar bear?

Their diet is very high in fat; they'll often devour a seal's entire blubber while discarding all the lean meat.

Yet they are big, strong, lean, and mean.

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amg455

NATUREBOY wrote:
HIT wrote:

If you eat enough protein for maintenance and building, no carbs (less than 30g on 2500kcal diet) and enough fat to give your body nutrients then you will a fat burning furnace in a couple of weeks.

I have eaten about 120-140g protein, a few carbs and about 200g of fats for the last 11 days. 2500kcal sitting on my ass studying or in front of the computer. I train 2-3 times a week. I have lost about 6-7 pounds (mostly water/glycogen and a little fat). Since my body is in ketosis now (it took 4 days) I will start to train harder and do some cardio to further the fat-loss.

If I eat to much fat in my diet I will just use the fat that I ingest and not burn the stored bodyfat. The real results starts to show when the body uses a combination of the fat ingested and the fat that is stored to meet daily requirements....:)



Yep. Everything I've read tells me that, in the absence of glycogen, your body MUST burn fat for fuel. There is no way around it. Period.

I've always had good success with ketosis-producing diets, but somehow I always get suckered into going back to the balanced approach.

I'm planning on starting back up tomorrow, though.

Here's what I plan on eating:

Breakfast: 2 Whole Eggs w/ Cheese
Lunch: Garden Salad & Ranch Dressing
Snack: 1c Cottage Cheese, Almonds
Dinner: Steak & Green Veggies
Snack: Diet Jello, Diet Cool Whip, etc

I've lost nearly 40 lbs using this diet a year ago - from 270 lbs down to about 230.

Hopefully, by the time I've had my 1st-year HIT anniversary in April, I will be down to 200 lbs & 12-15% body fat; which is damn good for my body type and large frame.

I've increased in size and strength dramatically since starting HIT, but still need to work on aesthetics.

I'm about to start the following:

1. Standing Calf Raises
2. Squat
3. Leg Extension / Leg Curl
4. Stiff-Legged Deadlift
5. Reverse Grip Pulldown
6. Front Raises
7. Lateral Raises / Bent-Arm Fly
8. Biceps Curl / Triceps Press
9. Bench Press
10. Neck Flexion & Extension

All one-set-to-failure, 2x's week, on Monday and Friday, with an ocassional NTF workout here and there.

How is your workout looking? I know you were kind of disgruntled not too long ago. Change your routine up?

Tell me about the cardio. What do you do/planning on doing?

I have avoided cardio since starting HIT but I know I need extra activity to help with the fat loss. I've always played tons of sports so I am in very good condition cardio-wise (I average 15-30 seconds between sets in my HIT workout) but have poor endurance, unfortuantely. Pretty good at sprinting; will fall over and die in running anything more than 2 miles.


Natureboy,

What you stated is correct regarding the body burning fat...it prefers to burn fat. Recently, I have tweaked my diet and have never looked better. Extreme is what I do though. I started eating ocean caught salmon from Alaska for the past two weeks (with a few berries throw in for taste at the end of the day) but recently have expanded my food selection. I feel the same as when I was consuming only steak. The difference is that my calories dropped naturally allowing me to become even slightly leaner. As of right now, I am eating a mixture of salmon and beef.

Typically a day for me looks like this:

I eat a can of salmon (with bones and skin (not as bad as it sounds)) with a tablespoon of cod liver oil or coconut oil around 11:00 AM or 12:00 PM. I eat a stick of pemmican (shredded and dried beef mixed with rendered fat) around 4:00 or 5:00 PM and 12 oz or steak or ground beef or salmon around 7:00 or 8:00 PM with (sometimes) 1/2 to 3/4 cup of blueberries or raspberries (generally, only for taste). Pretty strict, but I enjoy it, it makes me feel great and has allowed me to get into (and maintain) a low bodyfat year round. My exercise regimen is currently training once/week with 7-9 exercises on an A and B workout rotated each week.

Your diet and exercise regimen looks pretty damn good. Best of luck to you and let me know if I can answer any questions that may pop up. However, HIT seems extremely knowledgable as well.

I've attached a few recent photos from a few weeks ago. Taken first thing in the morning with no prep work or special lighting. Roughly 5-6% BF.

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NATUREBOY

amg455 wrote:

I eat a can of salmon (with bones and skin (not as bad as it sounds)) with a tablespoon of cod liver oil or coconut oil around 11:00 AM or 12:00 PM. I eat a stick of pemmican (shredded and dried beef mixed with rendered fat) around 4:00 or 5:00 PM and 12 oz or steak or ground beef or salmon around 7:00 or 8:00 PM with (sometimes) 1/2 to 3/4 cup of blueberries or raspberries (generally, only for taste). Pretty strict, but I enjoy it, it makes me feel great and has allowed me to get into (and maintain) a low bodyfat year round.



Your diet seems skimpy, but I know why. It's because ketosis induces hunger suppression, right?

That's the best thing about eating this way; I've experienced the same thing myself. In fact, right now it's time for lunch and I'm not even hungry. Normally I'd be starving by now.

PS - the pics didn't get attached. Let's see 'em.
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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

amg455 wrote:
ryansergent wrote:
I'm not a low carb guy but when I was thinking about HITs bear example I remmembered a book I read titled Undaunted Courage. It was about Lewis and Clark's trek across the North American Continent searching for an east-west waterway. Long Story short they mainly fed on venison (alot of venison) and couldn't understand why they were always so hungry. Maybe it was the lack of carbs? Food for thought. Good book by the way.

Ryan


Ryan, the reason it happened WAS NOT due to lack of carbs but WAS DUE to lack of consuming fat. The fact is that eating lean meat AND only lean meat will make you sick and can cause death in extreme situations. This is called extreme fat-hunger also known as rabbit-starvation. The "victim" will develop diarrhea in about a week, with headache, lassitude, and a vague discomfort as well as not be able to feel full DUE TO LACK OF FAT CONSUMPTION. In fact, I have read that in South America, it is utilized as a means of torture used on prisoners (and apparently is pretty damn bad). Primitive man and all native tribes made a consistent effort to consume fat with their meat and would often favor fat over meat. In spite of claims to the contrary, the diet of the cave man was not one of lean meat. Paleolithic man always ate his meat with fat. To summarize, it was in no way related to lack of carbs. Carbs are not needed. Period.


amg,

Makes sense as it was Winter time so the dear wouldn't be as fat.

Ryan
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ryansergent

Kansas, USA

NATUREBOY wrote:
Ryan,

Have you ever seen a polar bear?

Their diet is very high in fat; they'll often devour a seal's entire blubber while discarding all the lean meat.

Yet they are big, strong, lean, and mean.



Natureboy,

I saw a polar bear in the airport in Alaska on a stop over enroute to Okinawa and your right, they're huge.

Ryan

P.S. I should add that it was a stuffed bear on display along with other animals indigenous to that area and not just roaming the airport terrorizing tourists... Hey that would make a good movie!
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eintology

California, USA

NATUREBOY wrote:
Ryan,

Have you ever seen a polar bear?

Their diet is very high in fat; they'll often devour a seal's entire blubber while discarding all the lean meat.

Yet they are big, strong, lean, and mean.



Yes, and camels have a hump on their back so they can cross the desert without having to stop for Gatorade.

Bears instinctivly eat a lot of blueberries to facilitate insulin regulation, and thus promote hybernation?

Are you now comparing human metabolism with that of a polar bear? Or any bear?

Next time I catch a seal with my mouth in the Antartic, so I can get to their blubber, I will remember my ancestors the bear, and I will thank them for my deft hunting skills.

Erik

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Feb221732

Sesame,

You seem to hang your hat on one study that concluded strength training hardens arteries, love the hypocrisy. Oh, I get it, that must be why you run six days a week! To try to reverse the artery hardening effects of strength training right?

Man you are an irritating little dude.

Ted
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amg455

NATUREBOY wrote:
amg455 wrote:

I eat a can of salmon (with bones and skin (not as bad as it sounds)) with a tablespoon of cod liver oil or coconut oil around 11:00 AM or 12:00 PM. I eat a stick of pemmican (shredded and dried beef mixed with rendered fat) around 4:00 or 5:00 PM and 12 oz or steak or ground beef or salmon around 7:00 or 8:00 PM with (sometimes) 1/2 to 3/4 cup of blueberries or raspberries (generally, only for taste). Pretty strict, but I enjoy it, it makes me feel great and has allowed me to get into (and maintain) a low bodyfat year round.



Your diet seems skimpy, but I know why. It's because ketosis induces hunger suppression, right?

That's the best thing about eating this way; I've experienced the same thing myself. In fact, right now it's time for lunch and I'm not even hungry. Normally I'd be starving by now.

PS - the pics didn't get attached. Let's see 'em.



How do I post them. I attached them and it didn't take...will try again. Skimpy...maybe, but remember food intake has to be decreased to get down to low bodyfat. Right now, I haven't eaten anything yet and am still running fine.
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NATUREBOY

eintology wrote:

Are you now comparing human metabolism with that of a polar bear? Or any bear?

Next time I catch a seal with my mouth in the Antartic, so I can get to their blubber, I will remember my ancestors the bear, and I will thank them for my deft hunting skills.

Erik



Hey, if AJ suggests male lions "do HIT", why can't I make my analogy? We're closer to bears than cats, I'm sure.
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