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Chizzeled

I'm following Dr. Darden's Carb rich diet which is in stark contrast to the way I used to eat. My question, is a carb a carb. For instance if I eat an orange cream cicle for my final snack is it just as good as a banana. They are roughly the same caloric value.
Also what is your take on the GI index?
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Paul25

Hi there,
Are you following 60,20,20 percetage of calories? Let us know how you get on with this method. What are you goals?

Paul
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hit4all

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I would say per definition "A = A", but I would also say "A =/ a" on other levels. For an example, you have carbs from sugar, and then you have carbs from vegetables. It's a difference not to overlook.

When dieting, first I look at the TOTAL ENERGY CONSUMTION, then I look at the QUALITY and RATIO of carbs, proteins and fats. Here it will be big differences too if you want to go into details. I also think this makes the biggest difference if you will be hungry on low-energy food consumtion, for an example dieting on 1000 calories per day.

I like the GI-subject. Here you have a chance, and a simple one, to learn what the quality/preferences different ingredients can have on ones eating habits, mainly when dieting.
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NATUREBOY

Because carbohydrate consumption tends to increase appetite, it's best to concentrate on low-sugar carbs when dieting.
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tylerg

Chizzeled wrote:
I'm following Dr. Darden's Carb rich diet which is in stark contrast to the way I used to eat. My question, is a carb a carb. For instance if I eat an orange cream cicle for my final snack is it just as good as a banana. They are roughly the same caloric value.
Also what is your take on the GI index?


Calorie wise, you are correct. However, my feeling is that I prefer something more complex in its sugar makeup, something that won't go through me so quick with a huge insulin spike. Something like brocolli, but not for a late nite snack.

Late night snacks for me consist of whole grain cereal and milk, maybe some cottage cheese and fruit, yogurt, that type of thing: lower in fat and simple sugar.
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Chizzeled

Thanks, I have been very strict with the 2 weeks quick start program and I feel like I'm giving myself a bit of a treat with the low cal dairy treat. I just wanted to know if it was detrimental.
Thanks,
Ryan
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RUGGED_INTELLECT

hit4all wrote:
I would say per definition "A = A", but I would also say "A =/ a" on other levels.


That's deep... Like algebra or something. Banana = A, and Orange Creamcicle = A, but also /a. Mmm, Orange Creamcicle.

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splice

Who knows if a carb is a carb. But in my opinion it is i eat about 60 percent of my calories from carbs a day and im doing great. Plus its easier to grab a bagel and maybe a peice of string cheese in the morning when your in a rush. Some people it works for some people high carbs doesnt but after two weeks you should know if it works or not.
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power_cell

I wish I could do a better job at answering your question because it is a good question. A carb is definitely not a carb. You want to choose what would be considered nutrient dense foods as opposed to nutrient dilute foods. Besides being almost all carbs, a banana is a great source of potassium which will help to keep your blood pressure normal especially as you gain weight from muscle. Even if you fail at keeping your blood pressure down and suffer a stroke or heart attack, people with a diet higher in potassium have a much higher survival rate from strokes and heart attacks. Bananas have 20% or less of the USRDA of vitamin C, vitamin B6, calcium, phosphorous, and fiber. I am sure I am leaving some banana facts out. Generally, you should be favoring complex carbohydrates. Rice and red beans for instance, besides being a great source of carbs form a complete protein. I think it's a certain type of rice, but you get the idea. No a carb is definitely not a carb.
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Ciccio

power_cell wrote:
I wish I could do a better job at answering your question because it is a good question. A carb is definitely not a carb. You want to choose what would be considered nutrient dense foods as opposed to nutrient dilute foods. Besides being almost all carbs, a banana is a great source of potassium which will help to keep your blood pressure normal especially as you gain weight from muscle. Even if you fail at keeping your blood pressure down and suffer a stroke or heart attack, people with a diet higher in potassium have a much higher survival rate from strokes and heart attacks. Bananas have 20% or less of the USRDA of vitamin C, vitamin B6, calcium, phosphorous, and fiber. I am sure I am leaving some banana facts out.


Yes, they taste great and fill you quite good!

Franco

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Cherry

A great rule of thumb is to choose foods that are NUTRITIONALLY-DENSE.

Leafy greens, brassica, whole fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grains, nuts & seeds.

And you don't have to worry about "food combining" to achieve a complete protein as long as you eat a variety over the course of the day. (Those amino acids will find their place they have been for 10 million years now ;)
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Cherry

Here's a good example that goes to the heart of food selection. Potatoes are generally considered bad because they are a starch with a high glycemic index value.

And they probably are not all that good for you in form of mashed potatoes, french fries etc.

BUT, when you consume the WHOLE package, you get this:

RESULTS: Feeding rats a potato-enriched diet for 3 weeks led to a significant decrease in cholesterol and triglyceride levels in plasma (respectively, -30%, P<0.0001 and -36%, P<0.05) and cholesterol level in liver (-42%, P<0.0001). Antioxidant status was also improved by potato consumption. TBARS levels in heart were decreased and vitamin E/triglycerides ratio in plasma was improved. CONCLUSIONS: Our present results suggest that consumption of cooked potatoes (consumed with skin) may enhance antioxidant defense and improve the lipid metabolism. These effects could be interesting for prevention of cardiovascular disease.
PMID: 16586150


A carb is not always a carb. Eat the whole package!

:))
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the_iron_goose

Cherry wrote:
Here's a good example that goes to the heart of food selection. Potatoes are generally considered bad because they are a starch with a high glycemic index value.

And they probably are not all that good for you in form of mashed potatoes, french fries etc.

BUT, when you consume the WHOLE package, you get this:

RESULTS: Feeding rats a potato-enriched diet for 3 weeks led to a significant decrease in cholesterol and triglyceride levels in plasma (respectively, -30%, P<0.0001 and -36%, P<0.05) and cholesterol level in liver (-42%, P<0.0001). Antioxidant status was also improved by potato consumption. TBARS levels in heart were decreased and vitamin E/triglycerides ratio in plasma was improved. CONCLUSIONS: Our present results suggest that consumption of cooked potatoes (consumed with skin) may enhance antioxidant defense and improve the lipid metabolism. These effects could be interesting for prevention of cardiovascular disease.
PMID: 16586150


A carb is not always a carb. Eat the whole package!

:))


Before you guys go eating the wrappers on the your Orange Creamcicles the rule of thumb is what's closer ( as in less processing ) to the earth is better for you. Now it may be true that the Orange Creamcicle wrapper is bio-degradable, but it's processed so it's not closer to the earth. So eating the wrapper, box, package and all is not the time saver it appears to be at the start. Save yourself the constipation/diahrea/vomitting. Some things you don't want to be doing. I know I sound pretty sure for a guy who just came in, but I'm just trying to help.
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Cherry

the_iron_goose wrote:
Cherry wrote:
Here's a good example that goes to the heart of food selection. Potatoes are generally considered bad because they are a starch with a high glycemic index value.

And they probably are not all that good for you in form of mashed potatoes, french fries etc.

BUT, when you consume the WHOLE package, you get this:

RESULTS: Feeding rats a potato-enriched diet for 3 weeks led to a significant decrease in cholesterol and triglyceride levels in plasma (respectively, -30%, P<0.0001 and -36%, P<0.05) and cholesterol level in liver (-42%, P<0.0001). Antioxidant status was also improved by potato consumption. TBARS levels in heart were decreased and vitamin E/triglycerides ratio in plasma was improved. CONCLUSIONS: Our present results suggest that consumption of cooked potatoes (consumed with skin) may enhance antioxidant defense and improve the lipid metabolism. These effects could be interesting for prevention of cardiovascular disease.
PMID: 16586150


A carb is not always a carb. Eat the whole package!

:))

Before you guys go eating the wrappers on the your Orange Creamcicles the rule of thumb is what's closer ( as in less processing ) to the earth is better for you. Now it may be true that the Orange Creamcicle wrapper is bio-degradable, but it's processed so it's not closer to the earth. So eating the wrapper, box, package and all is not the time saver it appears to be at the start. Save yourself the constipation/diahrea/vomitting. Some things you don't want to be doing. I know I sound pretty sure for a guy who just came in, but I'm just trying to help.




HaHa.. and throw the Creamsicle away too

;)
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