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elecjet

New York, USA

I know a few on here only eat 1,2 or 3 times a day. My questions for you would be:

What do you eat?
Do you feel more energized eating this way?

Is your larger meal at night?
Are you fairly lean eating this way?
Do you do excersies everyday?

I do not expect all to be answered but some insite would be nice.

I know most eat more then this i am looking for the low meal eaters to chime in and give me some aspect of it. I was reading about the warrior diet and it is eat light during the day and heavy at night.
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Swedish Viking

California, USA

I eat 2-3x daily...two big meals and 1 snack-maybe an orange. Right now I am trying my raw vegan experiment but normally in the mornings it's 1 fat shake consisting of 6 raw eggs, 1 pint raspberries or 1 mango, 1/4lb raw un-pasteurized butter, and some un-heated honey. Evening meal is 1-2lbs raw meat with maybe another raw egg and some honey if I'm feelin it. Maybe some garlic too, if I'm feelin it.
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davise

Wow...hope you got a can of air freshener available :-)
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elecjet

New York, USA

davise wrote:
Wow...hope you got a can of air freshener available :-)


hahaa very true.

Anyone else eat a few meals a day
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Ciccio

I'm often following some kind of softend warrior diet, mainly snacking through the day with some boiled eggs, banana, yoghurt and/or a handfull of nuts here and there.

Then I eat a big meal(and I mean BIG!) in the evening.

And yes, I'm fairly lean and I HIT the weights 2-3times per week, no other exercise except...;-)
And yes, I feel energetic when I eat like this.
I never was a fan of big breakfest. Anything more then a coffee with milk and sugar and 2 teaspoons of honey makes me want to go to bed again.

If I feel the need to lean out a bit I just reduce the snacks to banana and 2 eggs only during day and also cut back on the carbs of my big evening meal (less pasta, more veggies, leaner meat/fish/turkey).

This works in reverse for "bulking".

Franco

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elecjet

New York, USA

Ciccio wrote:
I'm often following some kind of softend warrior diet, mainly snacking through the day with some boiled eggs, banana, yoghurt and/or a handfull of nuts here and there.

Then I eat a big meal(and I mean BIG!) in the evening.

And yes, I'm fairly lean and I HIT the weights 2-3times per week, no other exercise except...;-)
And yes, I feel energetic when I eat like this.
I never was a fan of big breakfest. Anything more then a coffee with milk and sugar and 2 teaspoons of honey makes me want to go to bed again.

If I feel the need to lean out a bit I just reduce the snacks to banana and 2 eggs only during day and also cut back on the carbs of my big evening meal (less pasta, more veggies, leaner meat/fish/turkey).

This works in reverse for "bulking".

Franco





Excellent. So you don't eat vegetables or anything else during the day?

Also i have a few more questions when you have the time.

1. Whats the big meal at the end of the night look like.

2. do you go a full 24 hours before you have your dinner or does it vary at certain times everyday.


3. do you eat anything before or after a workout or just go at it when you have time to do the workout.
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jack32

i eat very little during the day.
i took this approach 3-4 months ago in an effort to get my BF% below 8% and it has worked for me.
i count calories every single day of the week.
mostly protein and fat during the day, little carbs.
very energized and very lean at age 50.
i 'save' most of my calories for the evening when i'm at home and relaxed.
this approach allows me to keep overall daily cals in the 2000- 2400 range.
in the past i'd invariably be around 3000 cals by eating 'normally' during the day.
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elecjet

New York, USA

jack32 wrote:
i eat very little during the day.
i took this approach 3-4 months ago in an effort to get my BF% below 8% and it has worked for me.
i count calories every single day of the week.
mostly protein and fat during the day, little carbs.
very energized and very lean at age 50.
i 'save' most of my calories for the evening when i'm at home and relaxed.
this approach allows me to keep overall daily cals in the 2000- 2400 range.
in the past i'd invariably be around 3000 cals by eating 'normally' during the day.



Wow 50 and 8 percent thats excellent. I think it might be a good idea to still keep tract of calories it would make sense.

But what do you eat during the day that you keep tract of. I see most people that eat very little during the day do not eat vegetables which is odd going almost a full day without eating and being able to handle that.

That's something i would like to know is the hunger pangs unbearable?
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NATUREBOY

Personally, I would not be able to eat this day. I understand the rationale...starve yourself until late in the evening and then it'll be "impossible" to eat too many calories in that one feeding (which is actually NOT the case.) Too each is own, but be advised you might not like it. :)
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elecjet

New York, USA

NATUREBOY wrote:
Personally, I would not be able to eat this day. I understand the rationale...starve yourself until late in the evening and then it'll be "impossible" to eat too many calories in that one feeding (which is actually NOT the case.) Too each is own, but be advised you might not like it. :)



we will see what happens
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gmw5

New Zealand

i may be crazy - but this kind of eating just sounds plain crazy to me
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elecjet

New York, USA

gmw5 wrote:
i may be crazy - but this kind of eating just sounds plain crazy to me


here we go again another thread started.

Please i only want people to chime in that eat a big meal at night and snack during the day.

Of course it's crazy it's not what we always hear.
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mufasta

I'm just wondering how it would actually help you lose fat? You have a caloric deficit throughout the day and then a big blast of calories in one meal? Does your body take all those calories and simply stock up on stored sugars instead of converting it to stored fat? I?m not talking for or against, more I just want to understand how this would actually help you lose fat.
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Cherry

elecjet wrote:
I know a few on here only eat 1,2 or 3 times a day. My questions for you would be:

What do you eat?
Do you feel more energized eating this way?

Is your larger meal at night?
Are you fairly lean eating this way?
Do you do excersies everyday?

I do not expect all to be answered but some insite would be nice.

I know most eat more then this i am looking for the low meal eaters to chime in and give me some aspect of it. I was reading about the warrior diet and it is eat light during the day and heavy at night.



I've stated a few times here that i DO eat this way, often!

Most often no Breakfast at all, very light if i do. Oatmeal, maybe fruit, never ever the traditional American "heart breaker" eggs & bacon ;)

Again, usually a light lunch too. smtimes a green salad. maybe just a whole onion smeared with bean dip and mustard!

Dinner? I eat hearty! Large salad of mixed greens, bean soup-o-the-day, and barrys. (i am sooo full after this :O )

I stay lean 24/7/365! i feel great! i am strong and i can run like a gazelle!

;))
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mufasta

Cherry wrote:

I've stated a few times here that i DO eat this way, often!

Most often no Breakfast at all, very light if i do. Oatmeal, maybe fruit, never ever the traditional American "heart breaker" eggs & bacon ;)

Again, usually a light lunch too. smtimes a green salad. maybe just a whole onion smeared with bean dip and mustard!

Dinner? I eat hearty! Large salad of mixed greens, bean soup-o-the-day, and barrys. (i am sooo full after this :O )

I stay lean 24/7/365! i feel great! i am strong and i can run like a gazelle!

;))


How many calories in a day is that? I figure the bean soup and if you have dressing the calories could add up. BTW - What is barrys?
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Cherry

mufasta wrote:
Cherry wrote:

I've stated a few times here that i DO eat this way, often!

Most often no Breakfast at all, very light if i do. Oatmeal, maybe fruit, never ever the traditional American "heart breaker" eggs & bacon ;)

Again, usually a light lunch too. smtimes a green salad. maybe just a whole onion smeared with bean dip and mustard!

Dinner? I eat hearty! Large salad of mixed greens, bean soup-o-the-day, and barrys. (i am sooo full after this :O )

I stay lean 24/7/365! i feel great! i am strong and i can run like a gazelle!

;))

How many calories in a day is that? I figure the bean soup and if you have dressing the calories could add up. BTW - What is barrys?



the beauty of a whole food plant based diet is that i don't need to count calories. however, i do not "overdo" the beans ans i do not use any "dressing". that is, i do not use any crappy oily dressing, only vinegar! why use anything else?

i eat as much as i want, and i will put my performance and strength up against any canivores here. i will run them into the ground..

you know.. i read with some amusement all the dieatry manipulations espoused by some... "limit carbs increase fat".. then "increase protein and eat with more carbs" etc to do this or that.. blah..

They are fooling themselves, IMO. They have never eaten a plant based diet for long enough to see the results are not only identical but BETTER than anyhing else.

Adaptation under stress is actually so great (and necessary) that it is DIFFICULT NOT TO BUILD MUSCLE under the correct stimulus, regardless of macronutrients. The important consideration is what is the healthiest way to eat, the muscle will come regardless up to your genetic potential (which, in the end, determines your results). Wwhat is best macronutrient ratio to protect health is the worthy question, whatever you can grow in terms of muscle will come regardless.

:))
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elecjet

New York, USA

excellent guys keep it comming the more tips the better
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jack32

i was composing this post and i believe i deleted it.
here's my 2nd composition--

the body is pretty amazing, IMO, and will adapt, if you are just patient!
my daytime cals come from an atkins protein bar, 2 string cheeses and 90 cals of a hi fiber/ protein cereal.
no big deal at this point, regarding hunger pangs.
even on the weekends, like today, i've had just 550 cals and it's 5 pm.

bottom line- saving the cals for the evening has allowed me to be in a cal deficit during the week and pretty much prevents me from overeating on the weekend, which i believe a lot of us falter in our quest to get cut!
well, it's almost time for my fav food-
mom's bake at home pizza (4 slices on a high fiber/ multi grain crust and 2 BIG glasses of red wine!
OH, i love the weekend!
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elecjet

New York, USA

jack32 wrote:
i was composing this post and i believe i deleted it.
here's my 2nd composition--

the body is pretty amazing, IMO, and will adapt, if you are just patient!
my daytime cals come from an atkins protein bar, 2 string cheeses and 90 cals of a hi fiber/ protein cereal.
no big deal at this point, regarding hunger pangs.
even on the weekends, like today, i've had just 550 cals and it's 5 pm.

bottom line- saving the cals for the evening has allowed me to be in a cal deficit during the week and pretty much prevents me from overeating on the weekend, which i believe a lot of us falter in our quest to get cut!
well, it's almost time for my fav food-
mom's bake at home pizza (4 slices on a high fiber/ multi grain crust and 2 BIG glasses of red wine!
OH, i love the weekend!


Thats excellent that it's working for you. I am going to do about the same as yhou to start i am going to eat around 500 calories until around 6 or so then eat as much as i can until full.

I will also count the calories to see how much i am taking in.


So when working out what do you eat before and after?

anything special

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David_27

Tennessee, USA

After reading the Art DeVany website, I decided to go on the Paleolithic diet--not because I bought into the science of it, but because it's the kind of stuff I like to eat, natural foods that are easy to get at the market here in Thailand.

It's basically 3 meals a day, each meal consisting of a big salad (no dressing), a huge bowl of fruit, and a hunk of meat about the size of my palm. If I snack during the day, I have a piece of fruit or some nuts. No sugar or processed food. Sometimes I skip meals.

Psychologically it's great after trying to stuff down a meal every 3 hours and feeling full all the time. I've lost about a kilogram a week on this diet. My lifts have all increased or stayed the same.
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elecjet

New York, USA

David_27 wrote:
After reading the Art DeVany website, I decided to go on the Paleolithic diet--not because I bought into the science of it, but because it's the kind of stuff I like to eat, natural foods that are easy to get at the market here in Thailand.

It's basically 3 meals a day, each meal consisting of a big salad (no dressing), a huge bowl of fruit, and a hunk of meat about the size of my palm. If I snack during the day, I have a piece of fruit or some nuts. No sugar or processed food. Sometimes I skip meals.

Psychologically it's great after trying to stuff down a meal every 3 hours and feeling full all the time. I've lost about a kilogram a week on this diet. My lifts have all increased or stayed the same.


Thats great i am glad to see the program is working for you. I'm still having mixed decisions but i am going to wait until my two weeks of trying it is up. The thing i notice most is the amount of energy i have, i just hate sitting still.

So this is a plus for me.

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karma50

Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff

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Cherry

karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



Interesting study on the issue of muscle and protein. In Both groups, the subjects were maintained on a very protein diet due to kidney disease. One did strength training, one did not. The one who did the strength training, despite the low protein diet,...." total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent after 12 weeks of strength training"

Full article is at the link below.

It doesnt list the protein content of the diet but typically speaking .8g/kg is considered the RDA. For kidney
disease, they often use .5g/kg!

http://www.ars.usda.gov/...5/sarco0505.htm


:)
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Cherry

i don't see a good strong reason based on hard evidence supporting the notion of frequent small meals over less frequent larger meals. For what purpose, and where is the data? Very large meals will produce a larger glucose and insulin response which is also directly related to meal content, fiber, macronutrients etc. Processed foods spike insulin, whole plant foods with lots fiber elicit a lower response.

BTW, a common misconception is that protein doesn't spike insulin. WRONG. When consumed in equal caloric amounts, beef raises insulin more than whole grain pasta and cheese more than white pasta or fish. Supplemental "protein drinks" also fire up the insulin, a little unknown fact (PMID: 15565072 -A common serving of a commercially available protein supplement resulted in a marked insulin response...)

Spiking insulin hammers on beta cells of the pancreas, and over time this may croak them. In similar fashion the constant "strain" on the kidneys from a HIGH-PROTEIN DIET may eventually lead to their destruction. Those with existing kidney disease where deficits in kidney fnction are more easily quantified have much less deterioration on a low-protein diet. In the short run, you may get away with eating lots of protein with normal kidneys. However, in long run you may pay the price, and for what purpose? Why overdo the protein? Not only unnecessary for muscle growth but also risky.



Along same lines, take a gander at this..

More on protein restriction:

"Mitochondrial oxidative stress, aging and caloric restriction: The
protein and methionine connection.

Pamplona R, Barja G.

Department of Basic Medical Sciences, University of Lleida, Lleida
25008, Spain.

Caloric restriction (CR) decreases aging rate and mitochondrial ROS
(MitROS) production and oxidative stress in rat postmitotic tissues.
Low levels of these parameters are also typical traits of long-lived
mammals and birds. However, it is not known what dietary components
are responsible for these changes during CR. It was recently observed
that 40% protein restriction without strong CR also decreases MitROS
generation and oxidative stress. This is interesting because protein
restriction also increases maximum longevity (although to a lower
extent than CR) and is a much more practicable intervention for
humans than CR. Moreover, it was recently found that 80% methionine
restriction substituting it for l-glutamate in the diet also
decreases MitROS generation in rat liver. Thus, methionine
restriction seems to be responsible for the decrease in ROS
production observed in caloric restriction. This is interesting
because it is known that exactly that procedure of methionine
restriction also increases maximum longevity. Moreover, recent data
show that methionine levels in tissue proteins negatively correlate
with maximum longevity in mammals and birds. All these suggest that
lowering of methionine levels is involved in the control of
mitochondrial oxidative stress and vertebrate longevity by at least
two different mechanisms: decreasing the sensitivity of proteins to
oxidative damage, and lowering of the rate of ROS generation at
mitochondria."

PMID: 16574059


What contains very high METHIONINE levels? ANIMAL FOOD! BEEF! FISH! PORK! CHICKEN!

What is lowest: PLANTS!


The handwriting on the wall is becoming increasingly more legible... high protein is bad and very high protein is much worse!

:)




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elecjet

New York, USA

karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



What does this have to do with eating only one or two times a day? Nothing ,please stick to the topic.
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