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Cherry

elecjet wrote:
karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



What does this have to do with eating only one or two times a day? Nothing ,please stick to the topic.



hey, you just got some absolutely great info better than what you asked for and all you do is whine?

chill dude, and ponder your good fortune!

peace

:)
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karma50

Guys,
I apologize. I did deviate from the topic. I should have included that I feel the general dietary pattern of Dr. Darden's books, including protein recommendations, is pretty good. That of course includes several smaller meals a day..
Sorry,
Griff
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elecjet

New York, USA

Cherry wrote:
elecjet wrote:
karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



What does this have to do with eating only one or two times a day? Nothing ,please stick to the topic.



hey, you just got some absolutely great info better than what you asked for and all you do is whine?

chill dude, and ponder your good fortune!

peace

:)


Seasame i really do not need you to chime in on anything. Go eat some grass and go somewhere else.

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Cherry

elecjet wrote:
Cherry wrote:
elecjet wrote:
karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



What does this have to do with eating only one or two times a day? Nothing ,please stick to the topic.



hey, you just got some absolutely great info better than what you asked for and all you do is whine?

chill dude, and ponder your good fortune!

peace

:)

Seasame i really do not need you to chime in on anything. Go eat some grass and go somewhere else.



hmm..
go eat a cheeseburger six times per day.

now are you happy? ROFL

:)

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elecjet

New York, USA

Cherry wrote:
elecjet wrote:
Cherry wrote:
elecjet wrote:
karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



What does this have to do with eating only one or two times a day? Nothing ,please stick to the topic.



hey, you just got some absolutely great info better than what you asked for and all you do is whine?

chill dude, and ponder your good fortune!

peace

:)

Seasame i really do not need you to chime in on anything. Go eat some grass and go somewhere else.



hmm..
go eat a cheeseburger six times per day.

now are you happy? ROFL

:)




Why would i eat a chessebirger 6 times a day. Read the thread again and if possible don't chime in. I really can care less about anything you got to say. Thank you though for some crappy advice.


Now for people who actually can get women and would like to answer i have another question.

For the big meal what foods are eaten and is there a specific order that you eat them in. I usually have a salad first then move on to the protien part but for me it's hard to eat quie that much because protien( chicken, turkey,fish,beans) makes me full fairly fast.

Any suggestions or meals that you eat for the big meal at night?
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Cherry

elecjet wrote:
Cherry wrote:
elecjet wrote:
Cherry wrote:
elecjet wrote:
karma50 wrote:
Guys,
This is from the USDA website. NEPS is the Nutrition, Exercise Physiology and Sarcopenia Laboratory at Tufts university.

"Last year, the NEPS researchers reported on a study involving a group of volunteers with chronic kidney disease who consumed a low-protein diet. About half the group engaged in resistance training, while the other half served as a control group.

Among the strength-trained participants?who exercised for 45 minutes (including warm-up and cool-down) three times per week for 12 weeks?measurements taken before and after the study period showed that, on average, total muscle fiber increased by 32 percent, and muscle strength increased by 30 percent. ?Those who did not exercise lost on average about 3 percent of their body weight, or about 9 pounds,? says Castaneda Sceppa.

In addition, when compared to the control group, the exercisers reduced their blood levels of two key inflammation factors. That result is tied to better nutrition and functional capacity."

This would seem to support Dr. Darden's view on protein needs being greatly exagerated.
Griff



What does this have to do with eating only one or two times a day? Nothing ,please stick to the topic.



hey, you just got some absolutely great info better than what you asked for and all you do is whine?

chill dude, and ponder your good fortune!

peace

:)

Seasame i really do not need you to chime in on anything. Go eat some grass and go somewhere else.



hmm..
go eat a cheeseburger six times per day.

now are you happy? ROFL

:)




Why would i eat a chessebirger 6 times a day. Read the thread again and if possible don't chime in. I really can care less about anything you got to say. Thank you though for some crappy advice.


Now for people who actually can get women and would like to answer i have another question.

For the big meal what foods are eaten and is there a specific order that you eat them in. I usually have a salad first then move on to the protien part but for me it's hard to eat quie that much because protien( chicken, turkey,fish,beans) makes me full fairly fast.

Any suggestions or meals that you eat for the big meal at night?



ya, i eat cheeseburgers, hand over fist

lol

;)
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Ciccio

elecjet wrote:

Excellent. So you don't eat vegetables or anything else during the day?

Also i have a few more questions when you have the time.

1. Whats the big meal at the end of the night look like.

2. do you go a full 24 hours before you have your dinner or does it vary at certain times everyday.


3. do you eat anything before or after a workout or just go at it when you have time to do the workout.


I eat during the day, like outlined before maybe around 500-600 calories.

1.It varies but is mainly whole chicken/turkey/porc/fish with various vegetables (I love sweet peppers, eggplant, spinach) and tomatoes are an absolute must.
Then the amount of pasta/rice or other carb rich foods (beans or so) is adjusted according the actual needs (cut or bulk).
Before bedtime I will have some milk, yoghurt or cheese again.

2.It varies but mainly due to my work.

3.I workout first in the evening when I come from work. Sometimes ifI feel the need I just take 2teaspoons of honey for quick energy. After workout I drink chocolate milk usually.

Franco


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elecjet

New York, USA

Ciccio wrote:
elecjet wrote:

Excellent. So you don't eat vegetables or anything else during the day?

Also i have a few more questions when you have the time.

1. Whats the big meal at the end of the night look like.

2. do you go a full 24 hours before you have your dinner or does it vary at certain times everyday.


3. do you eat anything before or after a workout or just go at it when you have time to do the workout.


I eat during the day, like outlined before maybe around 500-600 calories.

1.It varies but is mainly whole chicken/turkey/porc/fish with various vegetables (I love sweet peppers, eggplant, spinach) and tomatoes are an absolute must.
Then the amount of pasta/rice or other carb rich foods (beans or so) is adjusted according the actual needs (cut or bulk).
Before bedtime I will have some milk, yoghurt or cheese again.

2.It varies but mainly due to my work.

3.I workout first in the evening when I come from work. Sometimes ifI feel the need I just take 2teaspoons of honey for quick energy. After workout I drink chocolate milk usually.

Franco




Excellent thank you. I am doing the same during the day around 500 -600 calories.

At night i start with salad with peppers, broccoli, olive oil, and whatever vegetables laying around. Then i have some sort of meat product being turkey burgers, chicken, beans or fish with some cheese. Then i eat my carbs last being from whole wheat bread( which i can never give up), rice or some oatmeal.

So far so good i am not very hungry during the day at all and my energy is sick, i never crash with up and down energy. It's always one straight shot of juice flowing through me.

But i will give it one more week check my stats ( body fat, waist, arm and chest measurements) to see if i will stick with it.

Thank you for the guys that gave me some adivce much appreciated.
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Ciccio

elecjet wrote:
Excellent thank you. I am doing the same during the day around 500 -600 calories.

At night i start with salad with peppers, broccoli, olive oil, and whatever vegetables laying around. Then i have some sort of meat product being turkey burgers, chicken, beans or fish with some cheese. Then i eat my carbs last being from whole wheat bread( which i can never give up), rice or some oatmeal.

So far so good i am not very hungry during the day at all and my energy is sick, i never crash with up and down energy. It's always one straight shot of juice flowing through me.

But i will give it one more week check my stats ( body fat, waist, arm and chest measurements) to see if i will stick with it.

Thank you for the guys that gave me some adivce much appreciated.


Oh, yes I forgot about the broccoli, like that too. I use solely olive oil! Extra virgin for salads and pomace for cooking.

And yeah, to give up the bread was hard for me at first but I got used to it and rarely fall for it anymore.

To live without rice or potatoes is easy for long periods of time.

Whole another thing is pasta! I can't go without it for more then 3days in a row!

A huge plate of pasta with a fine sauce (with shrimps for example) makes me happy like no other food in this world:-)

Franco


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elecjet

New York, USA

Ciccio wrote:
elecjet wrote:
Excellent thank you. I am doing the same during the day around 500 -600 calories.

At night i start with salad with peppers, broccoli, olive oil, and whatever vegetables laying around. Then i have some sort of meat product being turkey burgers, chicken, beans or fish with some cheese. Then i eat my carbs last being from whole wheat bread( which i can never give up), rice or some oatmeal.

So far so good i am not very hungry during the day at all and my energy is sick, i never crash with up and down energy. It's always one straight shot of juice flowing through me.

But i will give it one more week check my stats ( body fat, waist, arm and chest measurements) to see if i will stick with it.

Thank you for the guys that gave me some adivce much appreciated.


Oh, yes I forgot about the broccoli, like that too. I use solely olive oil! Extra virgin for salads and pomace for cooking.

And yeah, to give up the bread was hard for me at first but I got used to it and rarely fall for it anymore.

To live without rice or potatoes is easy for long periods of time.

Whole another thing is pasta! I can't go without it for more then 3days in a row!

A huge plate of pasta with a fine sauce (with shrimps for example) makes me happy like no other food in this world:-)

Franco




lol Hey what italian can resist pasta. I have been shoveling that in since i was a few years old.

Thank you for the responses i think im getting the hang out how to eat this way. I just have to get my stomach used to the large amount of food because man that protien fills you up.

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Ciccio

elecjet wrote:
lol Hey what italian can resist pasta. I have been shoveling that in since i was a few years old.

Thank you for the responses i think im getting the hang out how to eat this way. I just have to get my stomach used to the large amount of food because man that protien fills you up.



I guess I'm just better trained then.
Beeing the only member of the big family who could stomach 3 big plates of "pasta e fagioli" since the age of 7 or so, with an all time best of 5 plates a few years later! They're still speaking about! LOL
I tell you man, that's FILLING stuff!

Franco


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elecjet

New York, USA

Ciccio wrote:
elecjet wrote:
lol Hey what italian can resist pasta. I have been shoveling that in since i was a few years old.

Thank you for the responses i think im getting the hang out how to eat this way. I just have to get my stomach used to the large amount of food because man that protien fills you up.



I guess I'm just better trained then.
Beeing the only member of the big family who could stomach 3 big plates of "pasta e fagioli" since the age of 7 or so, with an all time best of 5 plates a few years later! They're still speaking about! LOL
I tell you man, that's FILLING stuff!

Franco




Incredible i have actually seen recently my buddy hammer down 8 plates of pasta at a 1.99 all you can pasta night.

But i am glad you reminded me i have to make up a some pasta tonight.

Well on sunday of this week i will write here how it is going with this whole one meal a day.

Maybe i will enjoy it we will see.

Anymore suggestions on anything about this please feel free to write in here.


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David_27

Tennessee, USA

elecjet wrote:

Anymore suggestions on anything about this please feel free to write in here.



Well, I have a general observation on this topic, and it comes from years of trying various protein intakes and diets--it doesn't really matter what you eat. My bodybuilding progress and my strength have increased, slowly but steadily, no matter what I've eaten, or how I've trained.
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elecjet

New York, USA

David_27 wrote:
elecjet wrote:

Anymore suggestions on anything about this please feel free to write in here.



Well, I have a general observation on this topic, and it comes from years of trying various protein intakes and diets--it doesn't really matter what you eat. My bodybuilding progress and my strength have increased, slowly but steadily, no matter what I've eaten, or how I've trained.


I used to eat tons of protien before reading dr darden books. It made me too sluggish taken in so much.

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NATUREBOY

elecjet wrote:

Anymore suggestions on anything about this please feel free to write in here.



I've come to realize that consuming a diet high in fiberous vegetables is best when trying to lose weight. Because these things have so few calories, you can pretty much eat as much as you want and still maintain a deficit. Now, I don't advocate going totally off the deep end, but if you can manage a salad for lunch and maybe a vegetable-based soup for dinner, that's a good start.

Let me know how your Warrior diet experiment goes.
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elecjet

New York, USA

NATUREBOY wrote:
elecjet wrote:

Anymore suggestions on anything about this please feel free to write in here.



I've come to realize that consuming a diet high in fiberous vegetables is best when trying to lose weight. Because these things have so few calories, you can pretty much eat as much as you want and still maintain a deficit. Now, I don't advocate going totally off the deep end, but if you can manage a salad for lunch and maybe a vegetable-based soup for dinner, that's a good start.

Let me know how your Warrior diet experiment goes.



Thank you natureboy. Yeah i find i can eat vegetables when they are in a salad. But most by themselves i cant take but i can eat a salad with broccoli, green beans, peppers, carrots and a couple others i cant think of. I actually enjoy the salad along with the rest of the food i eat.

I will get back to you about the experiment and tell ya how it goes.
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Cherry

David_27 wrote:
elecjet wrote:

Anymore suggestions on anything about this please feel free to write in here.



Well, I have a general observation on this topic, and it comes from years of trying various protein intakes and diets--it doesn't really matter what you eat. My bodybuilding progress and my strength have increased, slowly but steadily, no matter what I've eaten, or how I've trained.



Right! You'll grow on most anything. Now, next question is .. what's better choices to do LESS harm to the other bodyparts while i indulge my masculine fantasies.

what's best "eats" for health and longevity? where is the HARD evidence? proof in the pudding is in the eating!

:)
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hitmaverick

My freshman year of college, I used to each three huge meals a day. As a result, I was nauseated after every meal, did not gain muscle and felt horrible in between meals.



I love the vegan diet, I just combine it with meat.
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DownUnderLifter


Thank you for the responses i think im getting the hang out how to eat this way. I just have to get my stomach used to the large amount of food because man that protien fills you up.



hey elecjet

exactly how many calories are you aiming for, in your one big meal for dinner? Do you have a specific target?

cheers mate
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Ciccio

hitmaverick wrote:
My freshman year of college, I used to each three huge meals a day. As a result, I was nauseated after every meal, did not gain muscle and felt horrible in between meals.



I love the vegan diet, I just combine it with meat.


LOL!

About the filling up, call me crazy but after a long working day I actually enjoy eating big amounts and beeing filled up with an aching stomach and relaxing lazy on my couch.
But I wouldn't want it 3 times per day. Would take away the pleasure:-)

Franco

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DownUnderLifter

David_27 wrote:
After reading the Art DeVany website, I decided to go on the Paleolithic diet--not because I bought into the science of it, but because it's the kind of stuff I like to eat, natural foods that are easy to get at the market here in Thailand.

It's basically 3 meals a day, each meal consisting of a big salad (no dressing), a huge bowl of fruit, and a hunk of meat about the size of my palm. If I snack during the day, I have a piece of fruit or some nuts. No sugar or processed food. Sometimes I skip meals.

Psychologically it's great after trying to stuff down a meal every 3 hours and feeling full all the time. I've lost about a kilogram a week on this diet. My lifts have all increased or stayed the same.


Hey David...you're lucky to have all that nice fresh fruit and veg available over there in Thailand, it's a beautiful country and a place I've always wanted to visit. Are you based there permanently or on a working holiday?

In regards to your eating,I also had a look on the Art Devany website and I am considering eating in his style. Do you eat any eggs at all? And do you keep track of your calories?

Cheers

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gmw5

New Zealand

whenever i see that cherry has added a reply - i skip it. Honestly mate- you are a shocker and rarely offer any decent advice. Who else gets annoyed at this guy?
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elecjet

New York, USA

gmw5 wrote:
whenever i see that cherry has added a reply - i skip it. Honestly mate- you are a shocker and rarely offer any decent advice. Who else gets annoyed at this guy?


Me but you can't get him to go away
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mufasta

"I love the vegan diet, I just combine it with meat."

LMAO!!! That is classic!

This idea is really starting to get my interest. I love dinner and by trying to lean up, Ive hated holding myself up when there is still food on the table.
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David_27

Tennessee, USA

DownUnderLifter wrote:

Hey David...you're lucky to have all that nice fresh fruit and veg available over there in Thailand, it's a beautiful country and a place I've always wanted to visit. Are you based there permanently or on a working holiday?

In regards to your eating,I also had a look on the Art Devany website and I am considering eating in his style. Do you eat any eggs at all? And do you keep track of your calories?

Cheers



Hi, DownUnderLifter! I am originally from the US, but I am working in Thailand now. Cushy job in an amazing place, with perks you could easily imagine.

It's astonishing how many fruits and vegetables they have at the market here. I hadn't seen 75% of them before coming here. Wierd fuzzy things, things that look like grapes with lizard skins, etc. But they're all delicious, and the GF teaches me how to eat them. I know most of them only by their Thai names.

The Paleo diet is good. As others here stated, you get so full from the fruit and vege's that you are *very* hard pressed to get in 2000 calories in a day. I'm actually beginning to worry about the constant weight loss; a kilo a week is a lot (I've never been fat) and it's been this way for 2 months!

If my lifts hadn't increased or stayed the same, I'd be afraid I was losing muscle. Anyway, because I figure I've lost about enough, I'm beginning to snack on nuts (they grow cashews here so I get them cheap straight from the farmer's market) and boiled eggs during the day. No bread, rice or pasta. Paleo is "nothing you can't hunt or gather."

I don't count calories because it's tough to count things like bizarre tropical fruits, mixed salads, and hunks of meat "about the size of my hand." I estimate a meal is 600 calories, but that could be way off.

Kind regards

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