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AndrewOldham

Hi

I'm thinking of going vegan. Wondered if anyone else here had tried going vegan with HIT and had any tips?

Thanks
Andy
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noone

New York, USA

You could listen to Earth Crisis when you lifted. That will get you pumped!

Bret
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Coma

Illinois, USA

superbeaver wrote:
Hi

I'm thinking of going vegan. Wondered if anyone else here had tried going vegan with HIT and had any tips?

Thanks
Andy


I know several who tried and failed miserably. They gave it an honest shot for a good six months and lost a lot of strength and muscle. They looked flat and soft. But that's what happens on that type of diet. I've never seen a vegan who looks good. Yeah, they may be thin but they're always "skinny fat". Thin but weak and flabby.

These guys wanted to beleive it was good healthy diet but it just doesn't work out that way in the real world.

Eat plenty of salads and vegetables but eat your meat too, just make sure to avoid trans fats and too much saturated fat.

Bret, good to see another fan here, "Killing Brain Cells"!!

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

There's a guy named Cherry here. He's been waiting for you --- now he'll actually have someone who will listen to him.
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morgpunk

Getting results as a vegan bodybuilder is possible, take a look here
www.veganbodybuilding.com/article/741

Although not vegan myself[Im vegetarian], I have had vegan friends train with me on brief hard routines before, and all put on noticable amounts of muscle tissue and gained strength.
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saseme

Bill Pearl is a vego and never looked half bad. Certainly not skinny fat. Source of food has nothing to do with it, it's all calories. Your body doesn't care where the complete sources of protein come from, as long as they do, whether it's from a flank steak, or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
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noone

New York, USA

Coma wrote:

Bret, good to see another fan here, "Killing Brain Cells"!!



Love that song. My hometown band. We used to skate together before they got into the band.

Bret
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oneHITwonder

DO you mean vegan or vegetarian? There is a difference.
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BF Bullpup

Massachusetts, USA

saseme wrote:
Bill Pearl is a vego and never looked half bad. Certainly not skinny fat. Source of food has nothing to do with it, it's all calories. Your body doesn't care where the complete sources of protein come from, as long as they do, whether it's from a flank steak, or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.


The OP asked about being vegan. Vegans don't eat anything from any animals at all.

From http://ksteveh.tripod.com/pear...

"Bill's diet is lacto-ovo vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products."

That's a HUGE difference from being vegan. Not to mention that Pearl took steroids. And he didn't train HIT, as far as I know.

Veganbodybuilding.com looks like it'll be a good source of information for the OP. I'm not being sarcastic, by the way.

Now for my sarcasm: "sensation" Alexander Dargatz is only 190 lbs at 6'1". If the OP is going for definition, great, but for size, forget about it. I couldn't find anybody who looks like they are over 200 lbs. in that site. And don't anybody use 100-kilos Ben Schosha as a counter-example. He's vegetarian, but NOT vegan.

If a calorie is a calorie, Sesame, gosh, why aren't vegans big like the omnivores are?
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Cherry

BFBullpup wrote:
saseme wrote:
Bill Pearl is a vego and never looked half bad. Certainly not skinny fat. Source of food has nothing to do with it, it's all calories. Your body doesn't care where the complete sources of protein come from, as long as they do, whether it's from a flank steak, or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

The OP asked about being vegan. Vegans don't eat anything from any animals at all.

From http://ksteveh.tripod.com/pear...

"Bill's diet is lacto-ovo vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products."

That's a HUGE difference from being vegan. Not to mention that Pearl took steroids. And he didn't train HIT, as far as I know.

Veganbodybuilding.com looks like it'll be a good source of information for the OP. I'm not being sarcastic, by the way.

Now for my sarcasm: "sensation" Alexander Dargatz is only 190 lbs at 6'1". If the OP is going for definition, great, but for size, forget about it. I couldn't find anybody who looks like they are over 200 lbs. in that site. And don't anybody use 100-kilos Ben Schosha as a counter-example. He's vegetarian, but NOT vegan.

If a calorie is a calorie, Sesame, gosh, why aren't vegans big like the omnivores are?



Yes you are living proof that meat packs on the beef
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saseme

BFBullpup wrote:
saseme wrote:
Bill Pearl is a vego and never looked half bad. Certainly not skinny fat. Source of food has nothing to do with it, it's all calories. Your body doesn't care where the complete sources of protein come from, as long as they do, whether it's from a flank steak, or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

The OP asked about being vegan. Vegans don't eat anything from any animals at all.

From http://ksteveh.tripod.com/pear...

"Bill's diet is lacto-ovo vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products."

That's a HUGE difference from being vegan. Not to mention that Pearl took steroids. And he didn't train HIT, as far as I know.

Veganbodybuilding.com looks like it'll be a good source of information for the OP. I'm not being sarcastic, by the way.

Now for my sarcasm: "sensation" Alexander Dargatz is only 190 lbs at 6'1". If the OP is going for definition, great, but for size, forget about it. I couldn't find anybody who looks like they are over 200 lbs. in that site. And don't anybody use 100-kilos Ben Schosha as a counter-example. He's vegetarian, but NOT vegan.

If a calorie is a calorie, Sesame, gosh, why aren't vegans big like the omnivores are?


Well, the poster intimated meat was essential, not milk and eggs, which are certainly not meat, so the comparison is valid and you might wait to graduate elimentary school, or read the posts before replying.

Furthermore Bill Pearl admits to have taken steroids, and it was for a very short period of his training. Believe it or not, it's up to you.

Finally it is even more in Pearl's favor that he didn't train HIT, because as far as this posting board is concerned, it's another thing he had to compete against, and being that he was fabulously developed, it would seem that the absence of meat was not a factor in his bodybuilding endeavours.
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gorlando

www.charliesgym.info/wst_page4.php


he won't be big enough for you guys, but I am answering the original question.

gary
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Cherry

gorlando wrote:
www.charliesgym.info/wst_page4.php


he won't be big enough for you guys, but I am answering the original question.

gary


he;s bigger than 99% of the guys on this board
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BF Bullpup

Massachusetts, USA

Cherry wrote:
Yes you are living proof that meat packs on the beef


Disappointing response, Cherry. Instead of defending vegan bodybuilding (I know you're big on vegetable diets), you took a potshot at me. Oh, even I know that I'm no bodybuilding champion. I wouldn't be coming to this forum if I didn't want to learn new information on lifting.

All I did was report that I don't see any vegans as big as omnivores. Even a 140-lbs. weakling who has never touched a weight in his life would make the same observation.

You had nothing else to say about my post. You know what I said is true.

Sesame wrote:
Well, the poster intimated meat was essential, not milk and eggs, which are certainly not meat, so the comparison is valid and you might wait to graduate elimentary school, or read the posts before replying.


The OP said VEGAN. Vegans consume NOTHING from animals. If the OP meant a different kind of diet, it would be his responsibility to use the correct word for that particular diet instead of "vegan".

The OP didn't intimate (did you learn that word in HS English last week?) that meat was essential. He just asked if going vegan and training in HIT do any good. He could very well have been thinking that it doesn't work and he wanted to see if people would disagree and cite valid examples. You know, like I'm doing right now.


Furthermore Bill Pearl admits to have taken steroids, and it was for a very short period of his training. Believe it or not, it's up to you.


You know that, yet you still used him as your "vegan" example. He wasn't even vegan. Even I know that vegetarians would get more and better protein sources and calories for bodybuilding than vegans. He's a terrible example to use for this thread. I found it interested that the short bio on him went out of its way add that he used steroids as well as his lacto-ovo diet. Gosh, I guess the diet wasn't enough for him to get that big?


Finally it is even more in Pearls favor that he didn't train HIT, because as far as this posting board is concerned it's another thing he had to compete against, and being that he was fabulously developed, it would seem that the absence of meat was not a factor in his bodybuilding endeavours.


The OP asked for being vegan AND HIT. I don't care if Pearl had to overcome the high-volume handicap. He didn't train in HIT. Why is his name in this thread? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him that he was so deluded back then?

You're right about one thing. No meat in his diet didn't hurt Pearl. Of course not, look at his results. But he consumed dairy. Why didn't he just go full-blown vegan? Would he have gotten the same results on a vegan diet?

Looking at modern vegan bodybuilders, my concluding answer is no. I'm hoping somebody can prove me wrong. Key word: prove.
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Cherry

BFBullpup wrote:


Looking at modern vegan bodybuilders, my concluding answer is no. I'm hoping somebody can prove me wrong. Key word: prove.


How many HVT have goten huge compared to HIT? Does this invalidate HIT as effective method and principle? Of course not..
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BF Bullpup

Massachusetts, USA

Cherry wrote:
How many HVT have goten huge compared to HIT?


Many. A hell lot more than HIT lifters. If you knew the first thing about bodybuilding, you wouldn't have asked.


Does this invalidate HIT as effective method and principle? Of course not..


If HIT is so effective for putting on size, where are the results? We can talk about HIT being equal or superior to other programs all day here, but personally I think it's a waste of time unless there's strong evidence to back it up.

My stance on HIT is that it's fabulous for definition and muscular density, but people just don't get big on it for some reason...

...to keep this on topic...

...especially on a vegan regimen.
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Cherry

BFBullpup wrote:
Cherry wrote:
How many HVT have goten huge compared to HIT?


Many. A hell lot more than HIT lifters. If you knew the first thing about bodybuilding, you wouldn't have asked.


Does this invalidate HIT as effective method and principle? Of course not..


If HIT is so effective for putting on size, where are the results? We can talk about HIT being equal or superior to other programs all day here, but personally I think it's a waste of time unless there's strong evidence to back it up.

My stance on HIT is that it's fabulous for definition and muscular density, but people just don't get big on it for some reason...

...to keep this on topic...

...especially on a vegan regimen.



The point is people must adopt a method or lifestyle first then comes the proof.

Let's look at this from the opposite POV.

Why wouldn't a vegetarian diet build muscle? What reasons would you give for this?
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gorlando

http://www.veganmusclepower.co...

another vegan bodybuilder
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Cherry

gorlando wrote:
http://www.veganmusclepower.co...

another vegan bodybuilder


how is this possible??!! the pro's 'know' that you just can't get CUTS eating carbs. LOL
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M Lipowski

New York, USA

Cherry wrote:
The point is people must adopt a method or lifestyle first then comes the proof.

Let's look at this from the opposite POV.

Why wouldn't a vegetarian diet build muscle? What reasons would you give for this?


Maybe they're still not taking in enough protein :)

Maybe they're amino acid profiles are incomplete b/c they severly limit themselves in the types of protein they consume.

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gorlando

Cherry wrote:
gorlando wrote:
http://www.veganmusclepower.co...

another vegan bodybuilder

how is this possible??!! the pro's 'know' that you just can't get CUTS eating carbs. LOL


I have no problem getting cut myself - it's the size I'm working on.

I would like to say thanks to all of you - everything posted here has been helpful and my workouts are the best ever and my body is responding a bit. I especially like the stage reps for several exercises, including squats and curls.

Gary

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scott kern

Before you commit to eating large amounts of meat, I would suggest that you read The China Study.
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Cherry

M Lipowski wrote:
Cherry wrote:
The point is people must adopt a method or lifestyle first then comes the proof.

Let's look at this from the opposite POV.

Why wouldn't a vegetarian diet build muscle? What reasons would you give for this?

Maybe they're still not taking in enough protein :)

Maybe they're amino acid profiles are incomplete b/c they severly limit themselves in the types of protein they consume.




"Maybe maybe maybe"... maybe NOT. Do you have anything to show us other than "maybe"?

These veggie BB's suggest that you are wrong in your assumptions.
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Cherry

gorlando wrote:
Cherry wrote:
gorlando wrote:
http://www.veganmusclepower.co...

another vegan bodybuilder

how is this possible??!! the pro's 'know' that you just can't get CUTS eating carbs. LOL

I have no problem getting cut myself - it's the size I'm working on.

I would like to say thanks to all of you - everything posted here has been helpful and my workouts are the best ever and my body is responding a bit. I especially like the stage reps for several exercises, including squats and curls.

Gary




EVERYONE here is having trouble getting SIZEe. That's why they are here seeking new and improved methods.
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M Lipowski

New York, USA

Cherry wrote:
M Lipowski wrote:
Cherry wrote:
The point is people must adopt a method or lifestyle first then comes the proof.

Let's look at this from the opposite POV.

Why wouldn't a vegetarian diet build muscle? What reasons would you give for this?

Maybe they're still not taking in enough protein :)

Maybe they're amino acid profiles are incomplete b/c they severly limit themselves in the types of protein they consume.




"Maybe maybe maybe"... maybe NOT. Do you have anything to show us other than "maybe"?

These veggie BB's suggest that you are wrong in your assumptions.



Don't ask questions if you don't want answers that do not agree with your POV.

I really didn't want to bring others into it whom I don't know but if the links to those two bb'ers is your "proof" that one can be a vegan and still be a bb'er then I'm quite sorry, I'd rather eat all the cattle on a farm. If you want to compare apples to apples then how about all the natty bb'ers who consume meats whose musculature and "cuts" greatly exceeds that of those shown? Is that not an argument against being a vegan?

You asked, I answered. TO igore the notion that complete amino acid profiles are essetial for building and maintaing muscle mass is just being ignorant. We know that particular aminos in adequate amounts are necessary for growth, repair and maintenance. There is an exceptionally strong chance that most vegans do not ever complete this profile b/c their diets do not allow for it unless they are doing some heavy duty supplementing with BCAA's and other Amino's.
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