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henry_bordeaux

Dr.Darden,

could you give us some information about the history of the Nautilus Reverse Pullover Machine. Was it developed before AJ sold Nautilus or afterwards, and how would you rate this machine.

best regards,

Henry
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Ellington Darden

henry_bordeaux wrote:
Dr.Darden,

could you give us some information about the history of the Nautilus Reverse Pullover Machine. Was it developed before AJ sold Nautilus or afterwards, and how would you rate this machine.

best regards,

Henry


Henry,

The Reverse Pullover was developed about the time AJ sold
Nautilus . . . in 1986. I don't remember Arthur having much say in it. Seems like the prototype guys in Independence, VA., came up with the idea. Or maybe Kim Wood had some influence on it's progression. Perhaps Kim can comment about it.

Even though I only used it for about 6 months, I liked the feel of it. It was not a popular machine, so it wasn't on the market very long.

Ellington

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Cherry

What is a reverse pullover machine? Pic?
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k38wood

the idea for the machine had exisited for a while but I don't remember ever having seen the machine if in fact
one was ever built and put into production...
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Landau

Florida, USA

I used to own this one.
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Ellington Darden

Look at David Landau's photo. The machine functioned by placing the hands on the handles, which was similar to the stretched position in a dip. Instead of pushing the handles forward (as in a dip or bench press) you pushed it forward, up, over your shoulders, and back toward the wall . . . which was opposite to what you did in the pullover machine.

I remember you had to educate the involved muscles (you really felt it in your shoulders and traps) to get 180 degrees of rotary movement. It was truly a unique exercise.

Ellington
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henry_bordeaux

Thanks Dr. Darden, Kim & David for the information.
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Feb221732

It would be great if anyone has access to one of these machines if they could get some video of someone performing the exercise. I had never heard of the reverse pullover and I would love to try it.

Ted
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

The movement reminds me of a stretch recommended to improve shoulder/rotator cuff flexibility for impingement issues.
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henry_bordeaux

the movement is nothing more than the regular front raise, performed with a barbell or dumbbell. this time just full range, variable resistance.

if you want to copy it with conventional exercises you'd have to do:

1 dips (close grip)
2 bench press (close grip)
3 front raise (standing)
4 front raise (lying)

with those 4 exercises you have covered the whole range of motion of the reverse pullover.

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hdled

I have slowly gone through the range of motion, trying to use the antagonistic muscles for resistance, and it feels like it would be wonderful for stimulating the lower portion of the trapezius muscles which pull the scapula downward, the thoracic paraspinal muscles, and even the upper traps and deltoids.

This machine may not appeal as much to bodybuilders initially, but it would certainly develop the muscles that form detail in the middle and upper back once body fat levels are decreased.

It would also be a wonderful physical therapy piece for strengthening the postural muscles.
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henry_bordeaux

As far as i understand the following muscles are involved in the reverse pullover:

anterior deltoid
pectoralis (sternal & clavicular head)

and also to a minor degree
biceps short head
Coracobrachialis
lateral deltoid
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manzo

henry_bordeaux wrote:


if you want to copy it with conventional exercises you'd have to do:

1 dips (close grip)
2 bench press (close grip)
3 front raise (standing)
4 front raise (lying)

with those 4 exercises you have covered the whole range of motion of the reverse pullover.



If i understand the reverse pullover movement correctly (the opposite of the machine pullover) then could you perform the movement with using the front raise with dumbells in 3 or 4 different positions so there is resistance over the whole ROM?

ie:
1.lying flat on back
2.seated or standing
3.lying face down on incline bench
4.lying face down on flat bench

each movement (all front raises with dumbells) performed for whatever portion of the movement that has "meaningful" resistance, about 45-60 degrees for example.
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henry_bordeaux

alan1 wrote:
henry_bordeaux wrote:


if you want to copy it with conventional exercises you'd have to do:

1 dips (close grip)
2 bench press (close grip)
3 front raise (standing)
4 front raise (lying)

with those 4 exercises you have covered the whole range of motion of the reverse pullover.



If i understand the reverse pullover movement correctly (the opposite of the machine pullover) then could you perform the movement with using the front raise with dumbells in 3 or 4 different positions so there is resistance over the whole ROM?

ie:
1.lying flat on back
2.seated or standing
3.lying face down on incline bench
4.lying face down on flat bench

each movement (all front raises with dumbells) performed for whatever portion of the movement that has "meaningful" resistance, about 45-60 degrees for example.





you'd have to start movement one lying flat on a bench. because the movement must start with your upper arms behind your body.
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manzo

henry_bordeaux wrote:


you'd have to start movement one lying flat on a bench. because the movement must start with your upper arms behind your body.


Sorry, that what i meant. Should have stated that.
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hdled

Henry,

It would certainly exercise the muscles you listed in the beginning range of motion. But if I understand the machine correctly, it would work the thoracic paraspinal muscles and the muscles like the lower third of the trapezius that pulls the scapula downward. I believe it is the above posteral muscles that are worked in the end range of motion.

Maybe Dr. Darden can give us some clarity here?
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eintology

California, USA

David Landau,

Is the picture from your gym?

What is the machine just to the left of the reverse pullover? The kind of pewter-ish looking one? I'm intrigued, probably part of that is because it's the one I can't fully see.

Erik
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Landau

Florida, USA

Eric: I formerly used that space for training where some of my (former) equipment was housed. That piece of garbage you are referring to was a Vintage Cybex "Lower Back" Machine, that I did not own. If there is enough interest I will take pictures of my "new" equipment.David
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henry_bordeaux

David,

it definitely would be cool if you could post some pictures of your "new" equipment.
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robinn3403

Landau wrote:
Eric: I formerly used that space for training where some of my (former) equipment was housed. That piece of garbage you are referring to was a Vintage Cybex "Lower Back" Machine, that I did not own. If there is enough interest I will take pictures of my "new" equipment.David


I'd be very intersted to see what ya got! I could get a few ideas when I get mine up and runnning.
Thanks David!
Rob
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Landau

Florida, USA

Hang in - likely have pictures a week from Monday of some of the Machines which will include Plate Loaded Bi/Tri, Rotary Neck, Nautilus Time Machine Series Hip and Back, a completely re engineered Plate Loaded Pullover, and More. Time line for opening (pre - for HIT sickos is Monday October 23rd. David
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Tom Traynor

David,

i have enjoyed your comments and candor on various boards over the years. Congrats on the new facility. We are so lucky to actually get paid to do what we love....
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