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Landau

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Question: What are your workouts like? LaLanne: "I believe in vigorous, violent, and systematic exercise to the point of muscle failure. You do it. It's tough. It's hard. I hit the gym at 4am. I'd rather take a beating than get in that gym. Anyone who gets up that early and says he likes it is a godamned liar."
Jack interviewed in 1984. David
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k38wood

hey, David...give us a break with LaLanne. Jack's early exercise TV show
was produced by Ziv Productions out
of Cincinnati(Ziv scored big in the
1950's with LaLanne, "The Cisco Kid",
and "Highway Patrol"(starring Brod
Crawford as Lt. Dan Mathews)...I think they had "Sea Hunt" with Lloyd Bridges
too...). The fellow who handled Jack
for Ziv was the late Millard "Dilly"
Segal. Years ago Dilly and I became
friends(he knew Arthur also) and he had
many great Jack stories. Dilly claimed
LaLanne rarely trained and was a "total natural"...he smoked, he drank... the whole nine yards. And Arthur's experiences with Jack seemed to follow
along the same lines. Early in the history of Nautilus Arthur was flown
over to Japan to give a talk at one of their main universities...Jack LaLanne
spoke at the same conference. During
Jack's talk he claimed to "never, ever"
drink and carouse. What a guy!
Well, later that night Arthur and
Dick Butkus are taking a cab through
one of the bad sections of Tokyo...
and who do they see? It's Jack and
he's staggering down the street
loaded to the gills. They get him
in the cab and take him back to the hotel. For years, Arthur would laugh
about the night he saved Jack LaLanne's life...and how amazing
LaLanne was to live as long as he has living the way he did!




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cmg

Thanks for the insight Kim. It really does get me when you have "experts" advise on what you should do since they do it and it has nothing to do with what they do!

Regards,

Ron
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SanDiego

Wow... you've gotta be kidding me
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Landau

Florida, USA

Kim: I threw that out there to stimulate a post from you. Thanks for the update on Jack. David
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ZEZ

Damn, and i thought the secret to his longevity was his juicer!
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kurtvf

Any truth to the story that he challenged Arnie to a pushup contest in the late 60's and Arnie wisely declined????
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Tomislav

New York, USA

I'm not so interested in derisive old-wives tales about LaLanne drinking and smoking; don't think having went out on the town one night in Tokyo was reflective of his everyday lifestyle.

But I am tremendously interested Jack LaLannes training career; I think he's inspiring and epitomizes the longevity of natural training - not only was he in tremendous shape when he was younger but he still is and has carried a muscular physique into his 90's which is a phenomenal accomplishment we should all aspire too.

Here's a bit of history along those lines I've heard referred to repeatedly and again more recently and would like to know more about; it has to do with nutrition, natural training and maximizing muscular potential.

Jack talks about his juicer now (and have no reason to doubt his current vegetarianism - interesting also are his view on organic produce often being bad because it's treated like gold and kept around far too long, says he prefers fresher produce which is never organic) he also talks about eating a lot of meat and dairy when he was younger and training at his most muscular; Getting closer to topic:

This past summer I was vacationing with friends on an island at Lake George (a beautiful 33 mile long glacieral lake in upstate new york). An athlete and trainer from South America named Carlos was with our group, and amidst the water skiing, diving and other summer sports, we had some very interesting conversations about nutrition and natural training - LaLannes name came up and Carlos related a nutritional practice I found quite fascinating, both because Carlos was currently practicing it and because I'd heard about it before from much older relatives:

Carlos related that a nutritional practice that was still very popular in South America with natural athletes and something that he continued to practice here in the states despite the difficulty of it, was drinking blood (the animal product variety). Claimed that South American athletes were still doing this and that it was tremendously anabolic, that it could add upwards of an additional 20 lbs to an athlete who had reached their ceiling on lean mass and that Grimek and LaLanne had been among the athletes pioneering this nutritional technique. He went on to say that it wasn't nearly as popular since the emergence of anabolic drugs, but had a big following with natural athletes and trainers back home.

He went on to explain the difficulty in obtaining this supplement here and detailed his experiences involving his network of South American friends and how he was able to go to specific butchers and obtain the blood, and how he would prepare it here (would heat it for safety and add sugar which was needed as a catalyst).

I grew up on a farm and his details on the animal blood and what he was doing to obtain it were right on - Carlos wasn't pulling my leg.

While I have no intention of trying this supplement (not that hardcore and concerned about impurities; I'll stick to raw milk when I can get it) I think the science and research behind this is fascinating.

Does anyone have more information?



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k38wood

Wow! "Jack LaLanne inspiring!"
(Wow! "animal blood!")
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mr_andreassen

http://proteinfactory.com/...52&cat=1&page=2

Although very expensive...
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

When Jack Lalanne's daughter was interviewed about her father, she related how she never once saw him eat processed food. Though he did allow his kids to have it. Of course, if he had some "bad habits" he might have kept them hidden from his children.

Still though, Jack is the man. He set the handstand pushup record at age 40, I believe. And did many other amazing feats of strength and endurance on various birthdays - well into old age. I count him as one of my top 5 biggest fitness inspirations.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

k38wood wrote:
Wow! "Jack LaLanne inspiring!"
(Wow! "animal blood!")


Kim,

If I inadvertently hurt your feelings with either my tryptophan research post or my posts expressing disinterest in the training injuries of chemical athletes I apologize, was not my intention - that's just how I feel.

The Dr Seuss posts are entertaining, but I'm quite interested in LaLannes training and nutrition if you would care to seriously comment on any of it.
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Gluteus Maximus

coachjeff wrote:
When Jack Lalanne's daughter was interviewed about her father, she related how she never once saw him eat processed food. Though he did allow his kids to have it. Of course, if he had some "bad habits" he might have kept them hidden from his children.

Still though, Jack is the man. He set the handstand pushup record at age 40, I believe. And did many other amazing feats of strength and endurance on various birthdays - well into old age. I count him as one of my top 5 biggest fitness inspirations.


oh my god,!!LIKE could this be true??
like he doesn't eat bookoo protein, like eat doesn't eat hamburgers!like totally!
(my best valley girl impression;) LOLOL
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SanDiego

Bookoo?

I've been seeing that word a lot lately on this forum... Do you guys mean "beaucoup"?
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Crotalus

coachjeff wrote:
Still though, Jack is the man. He set the handstand pushup record at age 40, I believe. And did many other amazing feats of strength and endurance on various birthdays - well into old age. I count him as one of my top 5 biggest fitness inspirations.


Definitely ... who doesn't have a 'bad habit' ( other then GM ) ?

As a kid, Lalanne was the first guy I saw with muscles that sparked my interest about how he got that way. I'm sure seeing him came even before the 'Hercules' movies with Reeves and Park for me.

Pulling boats while swimming , handstand push up records , etc ... how could you NOT respect and be inspired by him ???

His crazy, hands over head push up always got me !

One TV report I saw on him showed him in the gym during a workout . He was doing pulldowns and I have to say it was the WORST form I ever saw anyone use in ANY exercise, LOL ... he was leaving the seat every rep, weights stacks slamming, bar being pulled down unevenly, LOL ...

I don't care ; poor exercise form , drunk in Tokyo or pushing a juicer that clogs too easily ... I still admire the guy .
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k38wood

"...everybody tells their own story..."
Glad you guys admire LaLanne.

To understand "the iron game" you might
want to make an effort to understand "carny" culture...
and the concept of "hustling the marks".
To a great degree "the iron game"
is very much like pro-wrestling. You
might want to question everything
you see and think you know...
In the world of illusion things might
not always be what you think they
are...(and of course, the whole thing is fueled by "believers")
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RyanWallace

Massachusetts, USA

One of the reasons I come to this forum is for the great stories of Ell, Kim, Ken and some of the other old school guys. Great stuff..thanks guys
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Bob Wildes

I bought into the whole Jack LaLanne natural food thing also.

It seems like it has almost been ten years since I heard of his arrest for drunk driving. His response was that he had a little wine at Supper or something to that effect.

The man has awesome genetics for strength and endurance.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

mr_andreassen wrote:
http://proteinfactory.com/...52&cat=1&page=2

Although very expensive...


mr_andreassen,

That's very interesting - thanks for the link; the site discussed a lot of bio-active factors being present in the dried/hydrolised powder (enjoyed reading their analysis), but I have to wonder how bio-active it is compared to raw or pasteurized blood; using raw milk as an analog, we know it's pretty bio-active, doesn't last very long. Apply Pasteurs process and it's still bio-active, but slightly less so and lasts about twice as long. Ultra-Pasteurize it? Really no science there as that term is an oxymoron and has nothing to do with Pasteurs process, now it's not bio-active at all and you can keep it on the shelf for months. I know I can consume large quantities of raw or pasteurized whole milk but can't do the same with Ultra-pasteurized milk for that reason.

I imagine the same rules of science would have to apply for preserving the bio-active components in the blood, that the south american athlete Carlos and LaLanne and Grimek (if indeed they pioneered the nutritional practice) would have been consuming a bio-active product that legitimately matched the manufacturers description in contrast to the hydrolized (beyond ultra-pasteurization) product which by definition would seem to have no or greatly reduced bio-activity.

What do you think?


Kim,

This seems disingenuous:

k38wood wrote:
Glad you guys admire LaLanne.

I don't think you admire him yourself or want anyone else to as illustrated in your initial and two-liner Dr Seuss posts; Here is another two-liner penned by Dr Seuss himself that may be applicable; Hop on Pop:

You must not,
hop on pop.

Regarding the rest of your post - the cautionary tale on "carny" culture and "hustling the marks" - that doesn't seem to have much relation to the lifetime training career of a natural athlete like LaLanne - his results continue to speak for themselves.

However, "Hustling the marks" and "carny" culture would seem to play a big part in the cautionary Fux tale as well as being the specific business of Balco Labs wherein the marks are the general public and scientific community at large, and the "carny" subculture is epitomized therein by the deliberately deceptive nonsense that is presented in lieu of the hidden science used to produce pro athletes and olympic champions via the latest and greatest chemistry set.

Feel free to explain why the "carny" and "hustling the marks" attributes are not correlated with Balco and Fux but rather with Jack LaLanne as you've insinuated. In the absence of a logical explanation I'll classify it in the same category as your original post on Jack, if somewhat more subtle; More Dr Seuss poetry would also be welcome.









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dr ken

If you know the history of "physical culture", bodybuilding, and all of those like Hoffman and Weider, the very founders and those who in fact are the foundation of the "sport"/activity, then you know that for any good they fostered or produced, for the most part, that wasn't their primary intent.

Kim just pointed out the obvious and what almost all of the oldtimers understood way back when. The primary purpose of almost all of the leading lights of the game was to make money, any other good may have been incidental or based upon a true "I would like to do good" purpose but it was still secondary to making money. I have known Joe since I was 14 and at least right from the get-go, he was up front with me about his dedication to the iron game.

LaLanne, etc, is just one of the many who sold a bill of good while also serving some good. Kim is just opening up the eyes of those who don't realize that this one activity that we are all admittedly in love with (me too!) is unfortunately, built upon a history of deceit.
Dr. Ken
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Robert Francis

New York, USA

k38wood wrote:
...Jack LaLanne
spoke at the same conference. During
Jack's talk he claimed to "never, ever"
drink and carouse. What a guy!
Well, later that night Arthur and
Dick Butkus are taking a cab through
one of the bad sections of Tokyo...
and who do they see? It's Jack and
he's staggering down the street
loaded to the gills.
...and how amazing
LaLanne was to live as long as he has living the way he did!




Gee. Thanks Kim. And David!
Now, just as I am getting used to life without my Rocky Pudding I have to shitcan my Lalanne Juicer!

I can't take it anymore. I'm resigning from this site. What's next, Mike Mentzer was a smoker? Bev Francis is a transtesticle?
I'll retire to Bedlam.
zand....
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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

dr ken wrote:
If you know the history of "physical culture", bodybuilding, and all of those like Hoffman and Weider, the very founders and those who in fact are the foundation of the "sport"/activity, then you know that for any good they fostered or produced, for the most part, that wasn't their primary intent.


LaLanne, etc, is just one of the many who sold a bill of good while also serving some good. Kim is just opening up the eyes of those who don't realize that this one activity that we are all admittedly in love with (me too!) is unfortunately, built upon a history of deceit.
Dr. Ken


And is still building that history of deceit on the Net and the crop of certified personal trainers. These CPTs outnumber the clients in most gyms. Give me the hucksters from days past.

Be careful and don't show everything behind the curtain because if you do the present generation will think they are worthy of taking the reins. I was hoping we might skip them in the sport.

An idea. Why not choose a teenager from Florida that you old members of HIT can develop into a super star as a gift to the sport?
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Ellington Darden

Guys,

This is no joke. My son, Tyler, has long muscles throughout his body -- and he's only 5-years old.

Problem: Everything about strength training and bodybuilding comes EASY for him. Therefore, it's not much of challenge. With only a little training, he's a solid 60 pounds, at a height of 4 feet.

If I could get him interested in training and bodybuilding, he'd look like Casey Viator did at 19 -- only, he'd be about 14!

Last weekend, I got upset at him because all he wanted to do was watch cartoons. So, I made him train with me, and I mean MADE him.

He responded and had a great workout.

He did 14 full chinups, 15 leg presses with 120 pounds, followed by a 60-second wall squat, 10 bench presses with 50 pounds, followed by 15 pushups, 10 curls with 60 pounds on a Bowflex machine, 10 triceps extensions with a 20-pound dumbbell, and 25 bent-knee situps.

Afterward, he did a front double-biceps pose, a back one, and a side chest pose. And he looked damned good.

Then, he went back inside to his cartoons.

Am I blessed or cursed?

Ellington
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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

Look what it did for Arnold. Your son is native born, he can go all the way.
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AI1963

Doesn't it often seem that the most genetically gifted could care less about things those less gifted obsess on? Maybe the maxim is true that we always want what we can't have.

You're blessed because you have a happy, healthy son. You may be cursed in that his love of the iron game will probably never equal your own, it may not be an activity you will be able to enjoy together.

But if he should develop the same passion to go along with all that potential...
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