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howard1976

hello,ive been training a number of years.im now 30 and dont seem to have the aggression i did have for workouts! and im trying to seek something that will give me some extra aggression before my workouts.

aggression,not energy!! as i already take ephrine hcl,caffeine,or stimulate x. was thinking of some kind of test boaster. but i only want to take it before workouts.twice a week! so need something that will cut in quickly!! was thinking of trying superdrol,if anyones heard of it on here!

well if any one nos of anything that will add aggression,and that is safe to take. not something highly toxic,that will muck my liver or health up!
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HamsFitness

Scotch seems to work well to anger many
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noone

New York, USA

Music motivates me. I have an MP3 player I wear at the gym.

Some suggestions:

Earth Crisis
Freya
Korn
Tool
Metallica
Deftones
Disturbed
Saliva
Slipnot
Smashing Pumpkins
Mudvayne
Paw

Bret
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

Aggression is a mental state... you need to investigate methods of sport psychology and practice them regularly for them to benefit. You're looking for the easy way out... a pill.
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mentzerfan

Howard

Spend more time posting on internet message boards. Your aggression will go through the roof!
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k38wood

this "pre-workout aggression" stuff is really really stupid...one of the greater
meanings of training is to learn how
to get the most out of your self...
and that's a function(or at least it should
be) of things like focus and mental concentration and "digging down"...
things related to awareness and being mentally in touch with your physical self.
To get yourself gakked-up on various
forms of speed or "trance music"(or anything else)
really misses the point. If you don't
have the ability to face "internal
inhibitors" in a real and natural
way...if you aren't able to find
"motivation" inside your self then
you are missing the true essence
of training. If you have to use
"music as a drug" or a "drug as a drug"
to get "fired-up" or you think you gotta become a "zombie" to get the most out of your training you ain't gonna get it done anyway...
(and I like music too)




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cmg

I agree with Kim. If you have to get pumped or you are just not into your workouts possibly take a couple days off from training. You may be burned out. Working out as hard as you can for a long period of time can be draining physically and mentally.

Regards,

Ron
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Yes

logicbdj wrote:
Aggression is a mental state... you need to investigate methods of sport psychology and practice them regularly for them to benefit. You're looking for the easy way out... a pill.

I agree. I would like to recommend one of my favourite books on this subject; "Inner Speed Secrets" by Ross Bentley. It's really a book on race car driving but the ideas and techniques can be applied to any sport, or other areas in life.

Although I must say that I don't really like "pre-workout aggression". Being fired up consumes energy that could be put into the workout itself. I like to feel calm, prepared and determined. Then when I get to the weights it's time for something that perhaps could be described as aggression.
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k38wood

the bad part about stupid posts is that
there are un-informed but sincere people that come to
this site for solid information...


when they see stupid information posted
and backed-up in sheep-like fashion
by others and no-body speaks out
then what are they to think?
"Aggression" and "anger" are not a
necessary part of training(certainly
they might be a part of some peoples'
training)and they are not a desirable
part of anybody's training.

"Grace under pressure" should be
the meaningful concept here along
with "running on one's own gas..."
One of the deeper meanings of training
is to find the energy to "do it" INSIDE oneself and not rely on others
or anything else.



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HIT

Norway

howard1976 wrote:
hello,ive been training a number of years.im now 30 and dont seem to have the aggression i did have for workouts! and im trying to seek something that will give me some extra aggression before my workouts.

aggression,not energy!! as i already take ephrine hcl,caffeine,or stimulate x. was thinking of some kind of test boaster. but i only want to take it before workouts.twice a week! so need something that will cut in quickly!! was thinking of trying superdrol,if anyones heard of it on here!

well if any one nos of anything that will add aggression,and that is safe to take. not something highly toxic,that will muck my liver or health up!



Try Ergolean AMP from Ergopharm. I take 2 capsules 30 minutes before every workou and feel aggressive and motivated during my workout! Best supplement I have ever used!
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MotorFed

California, USA

the only reason i keep my ipod cranked during my workouts is so i dont have to listen to many of the conversations going on in my gym. working out in a suburb of los angeles, one hears so many trainers tooting their horns that it makes you sick. the stupid screams and loud chatting are enough to cause anyone to lose their focus and "aggression" so to speak.

one thing i do use to get me into the focus of a tough workout and getting pissed at myself if i dont beat my previous best. thats what i use as my main motivation.

good luck
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

'Controlled aggression' is a means of heightening awareness and adrenaline, which has a positive effect on concentration. This state produces more powerful contractions for longer and will enable a person to load the muscle even better. It is not a negative to one's training... it is meant to be induced moments prior to a set and during a set... and then once the set is over, to return to a transitional state of greater tranquility, albeit sharp concentration for the next set/exercise.

To ignore the benefits of a proper mind set is to ignore sport psychology and its purpose in human function and performance... which is ironic considering that the HIT community thinks so favorably of 'intensity,' which is "the percentage of possible momentary muscular AND VOLITIONAL effort exerted."

Once cannot exert physically without a mental exertion... a command from the CNS, and the greater and more powerful the command, the greater and more powerful the physical response. One cannot exist without the other. And a basic understanding of hormones and muscle response relative to the quality of mental state makes it clear where 'controlled aggression' fits in.
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howard1976

k38wood wrote:
the bad part about stupid posts is that
there are un-informed but sincere people that come to
this site for solid information...


when they see stupid information posted
and backed-up in sheep-like fashion
by others and no-body speaks out
then what are they to think?
"Aggression" and "anger" are not a
necessary part of training(certainly
they might be a part of some peoples'
training)and they are not a desirable
part of anybody's training.

"Grace under pressure" should be
the meaningful concept here along
with "running on one's own gas..."
One of the deeper meanings of training
is to find the energy to "do it" INSIDE oneself and not rely on others
or anything else.





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howard1976

k38wood wrote:
the bad part about stupid posts is that
there are un-informed but sincere people that come to
this site for solid information...


when they see stupid information posted
and backed-up in sheep-like fashion
by others and no-body speaks out
then what are they to think?
"Aggression" and "anger" are not a
necessary part of training(certainly
they might be a part of some peoples'
training)and they are not a desirable
part of anybody's training.

"Grace under pressure" should be
the meaningful concept here along
with "running on one's own gas..."
One of the deeper meanings of training
is to find the energy to "do it" INSIDE oneself and not rely on others
or anything else.




are you saying that what im asking is a stupid question? beacuse if so! i take offense to that!!
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

Voluntary control of your mental state of arousal, is a very important lesson for training and life. Agreed.

However, there are also PHYSICAL aspects to one's mental state. To not consider a possible physiological base for "lack of usual aggression" is akin to telling a manic depressive to "just snap out of it." They can't just snap out of it, because their brain is chemically messed up.

Perhaps my analogy is stretching it a bit, but lack of usual aggression can result from myriad physical issues such as sleep deprivation, poor nutrient status, abnormally low testosterone levels etc.

Yes by all means "think positive," but also make sure there isn't a physical basis for you not feeling your usual self. I would think a doctor could better advise you than most of us.

The M.D. type, not the PH.D type.
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k38wood

maximum effort need not be "aggression"
... cut the silly crap and just do it.
...and, yes, Howard your post is stupid... but don't get upset with me,
stand back from it...take some time
and figure out why I would say that.

Training isn't difficult(many make it
more than it is)...if you need to
get "goosed-up" to train...forget it.
Take up golf.
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Yes

Well, I bet golfers too know how to heighten their awareness and concentration - how to get "in the zone".

Of course the mental state for exercise should be different then that of golf. But just what the hell is so wrong with working with your mind to get the most optimum performance? Just about every successful athlete knows how to do it - wether they are aware of it or not.
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BloodandGuts

k38wood wrote:
maximum effort need not be "aggression"
... cut the silly crap and just do it.
...and, yes, Howard your post is stupid... but don't get upset with me,
stand back from it...take some time
and figure out why I would say that.

Training isn't difficult(many make it
more than it is)...if you need to
get "goosed-up" to train...forget it.
Take up golf.


Dorian Yates had a VERY specific set of rituals he would perform before every workout to ensure and solidify an aggressive and focused frame of mind.

Mike and Ray mentzer would read aloud to each other favorite passages from philosophers and fiction writers to prepare for their assualt on the iron.

Ronnie Colemans' training partner gives him a big hard smack on the back just before he deadlifts or squats.

I guess they either should've "cut the silly crap" and just did it, or just should've taken up golf.

B&G
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k38wood

wow! a slap on the back before squats! B&G you're killin' me! Although all the guys
you mentioned ARE kind of silly.
Re-read the original post...
this guy's talkin' "aggression"
and "test boasters"(!)(he's already
taking "stimulant x")...
Training is about digging down
and challenging your self(and facing up to that challenge) it has very little to do with anger, aggression,
psycho-drama or histrionics(or reading favorite passages of philosophy). I know the
ads in the muscle magazines have all sorts of violent images(roaring flames, roaring
animals, roaring fake Frazetta-guys with long swords and big hatchets, funky
tribal designs, and frisky S&M broads etc. ...)
but give me a break...training
is about focus and "doing it"...
Got "anger issues"(or need a "test
boaster")...see a shrink.



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MDieguez

If you feel psyching up helps you by all means do it. It's going to ba a very individual thing. Using the Mentzer's, Coleman and Yates as examples or reasons to psyche is absurd. I am sure they have many positive attributes but i can think of a few things right off the top of my head about them that are not worth emulating at all.
Mike
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backtrack

Its all psychological.

Dan
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kata14

Sometimes this can be convincing but it's a little bit dramatic:

Thinking that your WO will be the last in your life...
or that will be deciding the destiny of the world...
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kata14

Anyway it's more funny Ronnie that always says before his heavy sets:

"Light Weight Baby!!...Yeep!"
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

Kim:

Aggression is psychological... it helps to increase a heightened response mentally, which affects the physical... as per the Greeks of 'mind and body.' It is not an issue of seeking a shrink... the poster merely is confused in terms of 'how' to increase the mental/physical response (which is why he is asking for assistance).

But rest assured, directing the mental aspect (as per one's concentration, and not focus ... two different things) has much to do with increasing a heightened response toward adrenaline, which has an effect of one's aggression and the extent and quality of muscular contraction (as per my previous post). Intensity of effort is a factor of mind and body, and the more heightened the mental response, the more intense the physical response (which is what HIT is about... no?). To divorce the effect of the psychological is to become one of the flesh -a brute. There cannot be a mind-body dichotomy.
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kata14

logicbdj wrote:
Kim:

Aggression is psychological... it helps to increase a heightened response mentally, which affects the physical... as per the Greeks of 'mind and body.' It is not an issue of seeking a shrink... the poster merely is confused in terms of 'how' to increase the mental/physical response (which is why he is asking for assistance).


But rest assured, directing the mental aspect (as per one's concentration, and not focus ... two different things) has much to do with increasing a heightened response toward adrenaline, which has an effect of one's aggression and the extent and quality of muscular contraction (as per my previous post). Intensity of effort is a factor of mind and body, and the more heightened the mental response, the more intense the physical response (which is what HIT is about... no?). To divorce the effect of the psychological is to become one of the flesh -a brute. There cannot be a mind-body dichotomy.


I'm fully agree with you when you said directing the mental aspect, with positiveness.

In my garage there's a sheet with some noted topics:

"Great works are performed not by strength but by perseverance" S. Johnson

"Strength shall overcome adversity" J. Bousquet

"Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish" J. Q. Adams

My favorite authors are Anthony Robbins, Og Mandino and Brian Tracy.

This is an interesting source

http://www.naturalstrength.com/...tal/default.asp

Regards
Kata
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