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Welshace13

Hi guys. Just out of interest which do you guys rate the best...
Squats or Deadlifts?

Personally my favourite is deadlift, but ive read allot of articals on squats and allot of people see them better than deadlifts.
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JONKILCOYNE

Florida, USA

Thats a good question....

Squats......wait.....no Deadlifts.....ahhh.. I cant make up my mind....its like trying to choose between a Beautiful Blonde or Brunette.....they both can be good depending on how you use them....
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Welshace13

i would go for brunette lol.

one thing i like about squats is they definatly kill the legs, the make them ache like nothing else, yet deadlifts give you the traps and back of a king.
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spud

For me it would have to be deadlifts.

They do a better job on my glutes and lower back, and unlike the squat, they actually hit the upper back and rear delts, all be it statically.

I recently used a Nautilus Nitro leg press for the first time.

Prior to that I had only ever squatted, deadlifted, and used crappy 45 degree sled leg presses, and mediocre leg extensions and leg curls.

The Nitro leg press blew them all away as far as working my thighs was concerned.

There is obviously the MedX leg press and probably others that are better than the Nitro, but compared to free weights and cheap, poorly designed machines, there is no contest in my opinion.
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karma50

I've noticed, every time I do "real life" stuff, yardwork, move furniture, use the wheelbarrow, etc, it seems I'm doing a whole lot of deads. You squat down, get your hands around something and haul it up. I also push things overhead, like onto the truck or a shelf.

I'd go with deads, and for upper body, overhead presses, preferably standing. I've become a big fan of db deads, and I recently discovered my gym had a trap bar, which I just used for the first time. Oh, boy!
Griff
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STanner

Texas, USA

Trap Bar Dead is a vicious, vicious exercise, especially on the low grip when you're very tall. There's a reason why they call it the "Squatlift."
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Drew Baye

Florida, USA

I'm with Skyler on this one, love the shrug bar deadlift.

Jon, we got a shrug bar recently. You should stop by for a workout some time and give it a spin.
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Crotalus

I wish I started doing Shrug Bar DL's many years before I did. For me , it was probably what squats were to many other guys.

The $150.00 I spent on my PDA Shrug Bar was the best money I ever spent.

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

just got into trap bar deadlifting this past month. Probably the best overall exercise I have ever done.

Michael
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Ciccio

My ranking:

1. Deep DB Deadlift
2. Hip belt Squat
3. Sissy Squat
4. Front Squat
..........
98.Back Squat

Franco
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Interesting list Franco. I love the sissy squat for building legs. I do them on a frank zane leg blaster now. After leg extentions I only need about 20lbs to really tax myself, its fantastic.

Michael
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NATUREBOY

Deadlifts have never done anything for me. Squats are king, IMO.
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Crotalus

Ciccio wrote:
My ranking:

1. Deep DB Deadlift
2. Hip belt Squat
3. Sissy Squat
4. Front Squat
..........
98.Back Squat

Franco



Franco ;

Curious why you choose dumbbells and not a shrug bar / trap bar ?

How do you keep the heavy dumbbells from banging into you legs ? I use dumbbells with SLD , but not with regular DL's because I had them hitting my knees when I tried them.

You don't have that problem using dumbbells for deadlifts ?

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jn6047

He must also have some damn big dumbbells in his gym!

jn6047
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

for anyone who wants to get more out of deadlifts try them on the nautilus XP deadlift.

AWESOME!

I happen to be partial to squats but this simple apparatus may have converted me.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

speaking of apparatus that improves control and safety of these moves when using heavy resistance,the Pendulum Squat might make a squatter out of you, again............


AWESOME! (and much safer than walking out 100s of pounds)


Eccentric EDGE squat another practical way to handle insane weights for those who feel the need.( no back stain what so ever)
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

Deadlifts are more accessible and safer, obviously, for the reason one must not have spotters nor have special equipment other than a box to, perhaps, increase range-of-motion.

Deadlifts are easier on the spine compared to squats that place the load atop the disks for more immediate compression, albeit for this very same reason squats might affect a greater stimulation to the upper-body. This last statement has not been proven as a universal, but it is an opinion that sounds reasonable.

If a home trainee asked me what should they purchase at least and what exercises should they perform, I would say one long bar, one medium-length bar and, maybe, two short bars used for plateloading dumbbelles. The rush factor between deadlifts with the long bar and straight-armed pullovers with the medium-length bar is very taxing.


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McNultyEssex

I would suggest the squat because you're involving more muscles (and thus greater growth hormone response?).

Has anyone tried a double pre-exhaustion cycle suggested by Arthur Jones, whereby you perform leg press, and leg extension to failure, before squats? This will fatigue the quadriceps, thus preventing the lower back failing first when squatting.

To make things harder still, the squats were meant to be completed in zones. Arthur said you would have trouble standing after one of these cycles (King Kong not excluded).
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spud

I always thought the deadlift used more muscles than the squat.

It uses many more upper body muscles (traps, lats, rear delts, forearms) and works the lower back a lot harder through a greater range of motion.
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Ciccio

Crotalus wrote:
Ciccio wrote:
My ranking:

1. Deep DB Deadlift
2. Hip belt Squat
3. Sissy Squat
4. Front Squat
..........
98.Back Squat

Franco




Franco ;

Curious why you choose dumbbells and not a shrug bar / trap bar ?

How do you keep the heavy dumbbells from banging into you legs ? I use dumbbells with SLD , but not with regular DL's because I had them hitting my knees when I tried them.

You don't have that problem using dumbbells for deadlifts ?



Better late then never:

Very simple, I don't own a trab bar.

With db's I use a narrow stance and go down until the db's (loaded with 5kg-olympic plates) touch the floor lightly. That's also when my harmstrings touch my calves; I have long legs. I not only don't lock out but eliminate the top quarter of the movement alltogether and do 15-20reps with continious tension.
You don't need a lot of weight in this style.
And I don't have knee problems at all.

Franco



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