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Norway

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"Here is the first image online of the biceps-supinator. This was invented by myself and built totally by myself in my engineering factory. I tried to sell the design to Nautilus and Cybex but they were not interested. So this machine has cost me over $100,000 to patent and build. Surely it is the most expensive machine ever installed in a gym.

This machine was conceived in 1986, and first conception on paper was in 1991. I obtained patents from the USA, Canada, Great Britain, Germany and Australia. You have to apply to each country. Then you have to pay thousands of dollars per year to maintain those patents.

I wouldn't patent anything in the future! I built the first version in 2001 and then modified it several times since. The last major surgery occurred last year. I am quite pleased with this machine. There are many adjustments and it really is a complex machine with lots of angles needed. It works, though! Lots of stainless steel on the prototype. I will paint it silver soon.

Even Arthur Jones was unable to build this machine. It is undoubtedly the most complicated bodybuilding machine with weight stacks that has ever been installed in a gym. When used properly it can result in an absolutely brutal biceps workouts. You can twist the arms and get a resistance. Each arm can be trained separately, too. The curl plates are 20 pounds and the supination plates are 5 1/2 pounds."
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Growl

Great!
I'd love to see a video of someone using it. Perhaps a series of pictures would work as well. I hope it pays off for you.

Jeff
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Incredible. I was toying with a way to make this machines using robotics. I still don'y understand all the concepts but the engineer I talked to seemed to.
Great Job

Michael
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HIT

Norway

It is not my invention, but Vince Basile that owns a gym in Australia.

See more pics here:
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Jeremy McClinton

This is a joke right? This gentleman put up $100K of his own money to build a biceps supination machine? I admire his commitment to the area of exercise but that is just insane.

Has anyone tried something that Brian Johnston over at the IART talked about in his review of Bodylastics. He put a rubber resistance tube on one of the ends of a dumbbell so that the resistance varied while performing a dumbbell curl, but the angle of the tubing pulling on the dumbbell causes your biceps and hand muscles to work harder to keep the dumbbell in a supinated position.

I have been trying this and have noticed quite a bit of improvement in my biceps'peak when doing this. Again here is a $50 solution to a machine that apparently cost $100K to make and patent. Just throwing that out there.
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jtocci

Jeremy McClinton wrote:
He put a rubber resistance tube on one of the ends of a dumbbell so that the resistance varied while performing a dumbbell curl, but the angle of the tubing pulling on the dumbbell causes your biceps and hand muscles to work harder to keep the dumbbell in a supinated position.

I have been trying this and have noticed quite a bit of improvement in my biceps'peak when doing this. Again here is a $50 solution to a machine that apparently cost $100K to make and patent.


Well, I don't expect that a rubber tube for that purpose is very marketable, but then neither is the proposed machine. I think it could be simplified into a great design, but the effort that was put into it is admirable.

As a man contemplating designing a machine, I am impressed, but one must now simplify it. Build it again with half the parts and you may have something. No, you probably will have something.
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Jeremy McClinton

jtocci wrote:
Jeremy McClinton wrote:
He put a rubber resistance tube on one of the ends of a dumbbell so that the resistance varied while performing a dumbbell curl, but the angle of the tubing pulling on the dumbbell causes your biceps and hand muscles to work harder to keep the dumbbell in a supinated position.

I have been trying this and have noticed quite a bit of improvement in my biceps'peak when doing this. Again here is a $50 solution to a machine that apparently cost $100K to make and patent.

Well, I don't expect that a rubber tube for that purpose is very marketable, but then neither is the proposed machine. I think it could be simplified into a great design, but the effort that was put into it is admirable.

As a man contemplating designing a machine, I am impressed, but one must now simplify it. Build it again with half the parts and you may have something. No, you probably will have something.


The beauty of the Bodylastics equipment though is that it performs more than just one movement (which is quite marketable, especially for women who only wish to "tone"). I am not saying that it is the be all end all of equipment because it is not.

I am stating that a piece of rubber tubing that costs a grand total of $50 after taxes, when attached to the end of a dumbbell handel will in all probability give the same if not better results than a machine that has indebted its inventor $100K and can only perform one movement or function.

Which makes more sense and is more marketable? I am probably saying this on the wrong board though since many of the members here seem more attracted to weight machines than they do to the opposite sex.
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Crotalus

I thought I was seeing things when I first read this guy invested 100 grand into a biceps machine .... I was waiting for a correction but it never came.

I thought I had poor judgement investing $50,000. in my Cheese Straightener invention.

Bigger arms and straighter cheese .... better living through better science.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

It sounds like a great idea. I am surprised that neither Nautilus nor Cybex took you up on it. I admire your dedication to improving the field of strength training.

I think you made a good decision in bringing attention to it on this forum. Actually, I think 100K to develop a new machine is cheap. I work with computers and have spent more than that on pilot ventures.

Any idiot can tell people to use rubber bands.
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crusher d

I think what Vince was saying when he said 100k, was, with all the man hours put in over the years of trying to get it perfect, if you were to add all the costs up, it would be 100k. Vince has made some incredible pieces over the years for his gym and others, and has modified some nautilus machines and made some nice improvements.
John
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Jeremy McClinton

You sound like the idiot when as stated above the cheaply priced rubber tubing will give you the same results as the machine that cost you about as much as a house would. Is it perfect? No. Practical? Yes. You sound like you need to work for the US goverment or possibly NASA.
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Zenontheterrible

cool machine anyways, i'd like to use it.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

Jeremy McClinton wrote:
You sound like the idiot when as stated above the cheaply priced rubber tubing will give you the same results as the machine that cost you about as much as a house would. Is it perfect? No. Practical? Yes. You sound like you need to work for the US goverment or possibly NASA.


I'd love to work for NASA or the US government, they both do wonderful things on an unparalled scale. Just one thing though, why do they waste all that $$$ on multistage rockets when the same thing could have been accomplished by a few really big rubber bands?

Take a chill pill. I'm not attacking anyone... and bungee chords have there place. I just have (some) understanding of where this guy is coming from and believe it has great potential and we shouldn't hijack this thread with BS.
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Acerimmer1

Jeremy McClinton wrote:
You sound like the idiot when as stated above the cheaply priced rubber tubing will give you the same results as the machine that cost you about as much as a house would. Is it perfect? No. Practical? Yes. You sound like you need to work for the US goverment or possibly NASA.


Or you could save yourself the price of the rubber tubing and use either an adjustable dumbell or tape some weight onto the side.

For commercial fitness centres I'm sure they would rather have the machine instead. Since having a load of half-wits like yourself messing around with rubber tubes makes the place look untidy.
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

This machine fascinates me, has VIDEO surfaced of the machine actually being used by a trainee? If so, where can it be found, besides Australia!?

Two things, first, why do makers of strength-equipment continue to fail to place a horn or slot as a bottom plate so weight can still be added after selectorized-weights run out!? I do hope the owner will paint it silver (and change the seat and pad coverings) as the stainless-steel is the only thing attractive about it! LOL
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jn6047

Wonder what machine he used as the base for modification.

jn6047
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Vince Basile

Interesting to find my machine and a photo of it on the HIT site.

I found another invention of a machine that claims to do a similar thing.

I approached Nautilus and Cybex but neither were interested in the invention. It turned out to be a waste of money to patent. That isn't what you think when you go to a patent attorney. He said it would be about 10,000. That is a joke. Costs way more than that after everything goes through. Don't even think of patenting anything. Let someone else do it.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

There's an item called the Supinator... likely is not made anymore... it's a handle that can attach to cables or to freeweights, and it automatically generates greater supinating tension (based on its design). It cost me $25 about 20 years ago. I use it now and again, but usually forget that it's even there.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

A doctor friend of mine invented a low back stretch unit... far superior to those inversion tables and one of the best traction devices I've tried. In any case, he had USA and Canada patents and someone must have liked the concept... now it's made in China and sold in North America under the name Lynx Portable Back Stretch!

Yup, unless you have a patent in China, I don't think it matters much in terms of protecting the concept... although I could be wrong (perhaps he could have sued, but how much would that cost?).
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I have a somewhat related question... if any idiot can recommend a certain course of action, and a person does not suggest that course of action (to help someone or to make an exercise more effective), does that make that person less than an idiot?
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Citygym

For those who have access the Next Generation Super Forearm has a Supination exercise which we play around with in conjunction with traditional Bicep work, neg chins etc or just on its own. The cam feels very good.

Always good to see you posting Brian.
Cheers,
John
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

NewYorker wrote:
It sounds like a great idea. I am surprised that neither Nautilus nor Cybex took you up on it. I admire your dedication to improving the field of strength training.

I think you made a good decision in bringing attention to it on this forum. Actually, I think 100K to develop a new machine is cheap. I work with computers and have spent more than that on pilot ventures.

Any idiot can tell people to use rubber bands.


==Scott=
So to you a person who suggests a way to do something for next to nothing that gives the same results as something that costs thousands is an idiot? No wonder you have spent fortunes on your computer doing pilot ventures.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
As Bill Murray would say, I'm a little fuzzy on this concept of biceps supinator. Can someone post a video of the action this involves?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Its the turning of the wrist from a hammer position to a palms-up position (or from a palms down to a palms up if you want to exaggerate it). The point of this post is the concept of adding tension to the supinating action, which is different than the tension created by elbow flexion (as in a typical biceps curl).
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Its the turning of the wrist from a hammer position to a palms-up position (or from a palms down to a palms up if you want to exaggerate it). The point of this post is the concept of adding tension to the supinating action, which is different than the tension created by elbow flexion (as in a typical biceps curl).


==Scott==
So there's not only resistance going up and down there is resistance when twisting the wrist from palms down to palms up?
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