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till101

Hi,
i read alot about HIT, and i also trained it for a long time.
i made gains, but im wondering if this gains were greater if i had used volume training.

i read in a german forum, that mike mentzer was in a studio here in germany to train and he hadnt trained HIT !?

also people say there is no photo of any of his clients, that make such great gains.

and another argument against hit is that no one really saw an independent guy that is hugh and trained with hit.
i mean they all say darden etc. just wana sell books etc.

does any of u has pics that show how they growed with hit ?

mfg
till
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fantombe

Most of Dardens books have a complete case study with before and after pics.

I wouldn't say Mike Mentzer trained people HIT, more Heavy Duty, and you're right, he didn't seem to keep records like most HIT trainers do.

Most trainers that use HIT rather than HD (and some that do train HD, just making the distinction between the two training styles) that I've worked with or come across are meticulous for keeping records and photos.

Pic up pretty much any one of Dardens books (bar the new one which isn't centered around a case study) and you'll have the photos/stats in there.
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Paul Marsland

It depends on how you define HIT and it depends on how you define gains.

Can using higher volume yield better gains? Again it depends on how you define higher volume as all things are relative to the individuals, needs and limitations.

Paul.
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till101

hi,
but what do we really know about there training and if there on dope ???darden really says, that viator was clean LOL.

i got another question, does dardens HIT is trained with intensity techinques? i have the book the new hit, and there all Whole Body Workouts, but i trained before heavy duty style and always done it with intensity technique, so as i did the workout of darden i used them too, is that wrong ?
because darden never speaks about that in his book, just negativs are used....
he just sy train to failure.

oh and another one, is there really no need to take extra protein ?


mfg
till
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noone

New York, USA

Mentzer kept a file on me. I trained with him 1 time and called back 1 or 2 times and he pulled a file.

Bret
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Ciccio

till101 wrote:
hi,
but what do we really know about there training and if there on dope ???darden really says, that viator was clean LOL.

i got another question, does dardens HIT is trained with intensity techinques? i have the book the new hit, and there all Whole Body Workouts, but i trained before heavy duty style and always done it with intensity technique, so as i did the workout of darden i used them too, is that wrong ?
because darden never speaks about that in his book, just negativs are used....
he just sy train to failure.

oh and another one, is there really no need to take extra protein ?


mfg
till


Just use the search engine to find old threads (some with pix) with "huge" HIT-trainees. It will take some time as the search function isn't very good.

About Ellington, he's one of the very few honest persons in the bloody business. Like others said, check his books (not the german translations but the original).

And for the intensity techniques, use them sparingly, on a few or even better a single bodypart(s) only and for no more then 6 workouts in a row.
Read up the capital on those techniques in TNHIT, it explains it all! Read it several times and then read it after a few weeks again.
It's all outlined there. It just need you to understand it and put it to work for your individual needs (that's the difficult part!).

If you want to discuss a few things in german, just send me a pm.

MfG,

Franco

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Mark S

Ciccio wrote:


Just use the search engine to find old threads (some with pix) with "huge" HIT-trainees. It will take some time as the search function isn't very good.

About Ellington, he's one of the very few honest persons in the bloody business. Like others said, check his books (not the german translations but the original).

And for the intensity techniques, use them sparingly, on a few or even better a single bodypart(s) only and for no more then 6 workouts in a row.
Read up the capital on those techniques in TNHIT, it explains it all! Read it several times and then read it after a few weeks again.
It's all outlined there. It just need you to understand it and put it to work for your individual needs (that's the difficult part!).

If you want to discuss a few things in german, just send me a pm.

MfG,

Franco



I am not questioning Ellington Dardens integrity,as i have never met him,however a couple of points immediately spring to mind.

1. The books you refer to certainly the ones that refer to bodybuilding are littered with pictures of volume trainers who use drugs,when the books are actually about drug free 1 set training.

2. The majority of case studies contained in them are so badly flawed it isn't true.

3. I have met and know many honest people involved in the industry whose opinion differs to yours.The underlying tone to your comment is that in order to be honest in this industry ideas have to agree with yours.

4. The book titles make sensational claims that are no different to sensational claims in any other publication.
MASSIVE MUSCLES IN 10 WEEKS to name just one.
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Acerimmer1

From what I've seen even Dr Darden looked better on HVT. Alot better!
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Zenontheterrible

their are modern bodybuilders who claim to be all natural and are bigger or at least as big as Viator was. for a genetically gifted person its not really that hard to build muscle, i don't think the training method really matters when it comes down to it, not as much as the genes anyway.

this whole hvt vs. hit thing is really bs anyways. i can't believe someone brought it up again, for the love!

most modern body builders train with a combination of volume and intensity techniques.

if your looking for a truly big body builder that trained HIT style i would say look no further than your own fellow German Dorian Yates... (remember him) i would consider his style to be HIT cause he trains till failure on his heavy sets. yeah sure he used 'roids but so do all the big HVT guys. although truly are their really any guys that claim to be exclusive volume guys?

even the dudes that do 20 sets per body part warn about 'over-training' so really its just a difference of opinion on what over training is. obviously over-training is going to vary Dependant upon your genetic gifts, as well as your supplement and drug use. as for full body vs splits...

basically if your only doing 1 or 2 sets per part, then full body is possible... but if your doing 20 sets per part then full body is never possible unless working out is your full time job.

I personally think dr.dardens method is the best method for us clean, average genetic types who don't have all day to spend in the gym to gain muscle. it helps to keep an open mind though. my next stint i think i'm going to try some overtraining for awhile.
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Jeff60

Zenontheterrible wrote:

if your looking for a truly big body builder that trained HIT style i would say look no further than your own fellow German Dorian Yates... (remember him)


I think you'll find he was English.

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Paul25

Simple answer Yes, but any method will work if you work hard and have the right amount of frequency/intensity for YOU the indivdual.
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Tom Traynor

I think "abreviated training" works if it is a well designed program AND is approached with focus and desire. It is when HIT is "required" to be one-set/machines only/rush through that (H)it suffers....

Many peoples' workouts could be accomplished in 30 minutes if they were in the moment and getting on with the business of performing a quality workout.
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DownUnderLifter

till101 wrote:
oh and another one, is there really no need to take extra protein ?
mfg
till


till

have a look at this link, Danny Padilla tells how he prepared for the '81 Olympia on 80g of Protein per day.

bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson35.htm
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Mark S

Tom Traynor wrote:
I think "abreviated training" works if it is a well designed program AND is approached with focus and desire. It is when HIT is "required" to be one-set/machines only/rush through that (H)it suffers....

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I agree with that,but most fail with the focus and desire part.
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Paul Marsland

Don't forget consistency as well Mark...
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Mark S

Paul Marsland wrote:
Don't forget consistency as well Mark...


Quite right,although i am assuming that if you have focus and desire consistency is a given
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OSAKA/J

Does HIT work? Yes, it does. Does
high-volume work? Yes, it does.
Both will work, for most of us.

What everyone may be asking themselves
is: "How WELL do either of these programmes work and WHICH is better?"

If you're looking to save time
then HIT is for you, whether it is the
"classic" version or the various "hybrid" programmes lauded by others. If you prefer higher volume then go for it, as long as you can
recover and grow. It's all personal
preference. I do HIT because I don't
have the time nor inclination to spend
hours training. More important, I
don't have the genetics. (More on
that soon).

It seems that people are looking
for some "miracle" programme that will
propel them onwards and upwards. There
are no miracles, save for consistency,
hard work, decent nutrition, rest, and
of course, the prerequisite genes that
will get you big. Many people are simply unwilling to accept the fact that they can never be huge like the guys in the muscle rags. Sure, don't give up and never give in, try new new workouts, but be REALISTIC.

All in all, I'd have to agree with
Zenon's ideas: HIT is best for those who are "clean" (i.e. no drugs) and
have just average genes. The high-
volume workouts espoused by the mags
have been responsible for more training
dropouts than anything else.

Osaka/J
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james pate

Ontario, CAN

I have to agree with osaka

I am just your average guy and HIT works well for me. I have no desire to live in the gym. At 6ft, as of yesterday, I weigh 204lbs @ approx 13%BF. I started my latest training schedule 5 weeks ago after a rest period of 5 months (were I only did a workout once every 2 to 3 weeks). My start specs were 202lbs @ approx 17%BF.
Regards
james
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Zenontheterrible

Jeff Shaw wrote:
Zenontheterrible wrote:

if your looking for a truly big body builder that trained HIT style i would say look no further than your own fellow German Dorian Yates... (remember him)

I think you'll find he was English.



haha yes, i feel dumb now. (i knew that but it slipped my brain for some reason)
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hdlifter

Wow, what a loaded question! Still, here is my 2 cents worth...

Starting with volume back in '77, due to my being able to relate to a slender Frank Zane, but nothing dramatic happened. It was only a few months later when Mentzer arrived on the scene, and I switched to Heavy Duty did I see some serious gains.

The furtherest astray I ever ventured was late 80's when I was conned by "Bulgarian Burst" (re-packaged as "Big Beyond Belief"). I was training 6 days a week, twice a day, and being a gym instructor at the time I literally lived in the gym! I fell asleep all over the place, my energy levels, mid-20's, should have optimal but all that damn training killed it!
Three weeks in and my body rebelled with a strained left trap despite being well warmed up.

My training history revolves around HIT routines, so if you want an honest appraisal whether "it works" then I'd have to say a monumental YESSSS!

I am currently back on full-body workouts, rotating an A and B routine. 4 sets is my lot, but those 12-minute workouts do the job. Why waste another minute when it isn't necessary?
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