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waynegr

Switzerland

Just thought I would ask all the below, and it would be nice if you posted and post in the thread also stating if your on steroids or not.

But please all if someone is on steroids thats up to them this is just a poll.

But if you want to ask them any polite questions thats fine.

1,
Are you total natural,

2,
Are you on steroids most of the time,

3,
Do you take steroids for comps and holidays or similar,

5,
Have you taken steroids in the past.

Wayne
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waynegr

Switzerland

I have always been natural.

Wayne
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coomo

No im not but ill make a deal with you.ill take bucketfulls of steroids if you take valium & lithium.
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coomo

by no im not . I meant no im not using or havent used steroids.
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medici

Spain

If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.
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skrewdriver

kayo wrote:
If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.


Well i guess Mentzer was the only
"doper" that trained under Arthur Jones.
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bblb

Have used in the past. Not sure about the future. Just enjoying training and eating right now.
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till101

skrewdriver wrote:
kayo wrote:
If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.

Well i guess Mentzer was the only
"doper" that trained under Arthur Jones.


and viator was natural or what ?

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coomo

kayo wrote:
If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.


AS usual sad man kayo gets in his anti-Mentzer remark.Have you considered getting professional help with this obvious obsession?.let me ask you a question;
What is the opposite of love?
answer;No its not hate,its indifference,you might want to condider that next time,your racking your brains to find another Mentzer insult to post in every thread.
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Maximise

As it's the season I will say " Jingle bells steroids smell natural all the way" I couldn't resist that but I'm all in favour of natural.
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Benjamin Dover

kayo wrote:
If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.


...and stay away from those crazy Rolling Stones, you'll end up on smack...

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skrewdriver

till101 wrote:
skrewdriver wrote:
kayo wrote:
If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.

Well i guess Mentzer was the only
"doper" that trained under Arthur Jones.

and viator was natural or what ?

Ask Kayo who seems to be the expert.


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NewYorker

New York, USA

I got it:
1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, ...

or

4 is "Please forward to the DEA"??
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medici

Spain

till101 wrote:
skrewdriver wrote:
kayo wrote:
If you're in line with Arthur Jones and Dr. Darden, then HIT has nothing to do with roids. On the other hand, if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy.

how absurd.

Well i guess Mentzer was the only
"doper" that trained under Arthur Jones.

and viator was natural or what ?



He says he's natural. Since he's among the living and has a website/email, why not drop him a note with your question?
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medici

Spain

There is a third category that remains ignored. Those who are under physician treatment with therapeutic doses of testosterone (gel, patch, bucal implant, injections, creams).

Those of you who read in life-extension literature will know of therapeutic uses under the rubric Hormone Replacement Therapy. HRT applies to men and to women. Ironically, the so-called "drug free" federations permit women to do HRT but not men. Women using HRT of the natural, bio-identical forms modulate estrogens, progesterone, and often testosterone (yes, women produce small amounts of test in their adrenals).

It seems to me that discriminating against males under physician orders to do HRT is ridiculous. I'm hoping some class action suits are filed against those federations for bodybuilding and powerlifting. Such use of test by men works to bring it back to within acceptible normal ranges, not for anabolic effects. They never use nortestosterone (e.g., deca durabolin).

Those same federations include DHEA on their banned substances list, under the stupid idea it's a prohormone. Well, it sort of is but more likely to metabolize to estrogen rather than testosterone. In the meantime, those past 40 or 50 are well advised to have DHEA levels accessed by blood test as a part of their normal physical exam. Supplemental doses of 25-50 mg are standard, and so far DHEA is not a controlled substance. One member of Congress wants to ban its sale to those under 18 based on some idiotic misunderstanding of endocrines.

For more information on HRT for males, see the Life Extension Foundation website in Florida for roughly 40 page paper on the subject (www.lef.org).

I know several men in their late 60s through late 70s who receive biweekly injections of depo testosterone cypionate (100 mg) through the Veterans Administration hospitals. They work out and are far from huge since the use is therapeutic. The good news is they swear by it for maintaining a sex drive.
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Jeff60

kayo wrote:
... if you're in line with doper Mentzer, then there's no telling what addiction will take your fancy...


Ken,
I don't understand how making this statement about a man who has been dead nearly 7 years and, as far as I can tell, is not used as a positive representation of HIT in any of Dr. Darden's recent works, was necessary. It's well documented in at least one of Darden's books and many other places that Mentzer had his problems. We all get it... you have an issue with him and what he represented, but he's dead. Leave the guy alone. Oh... and please don't make any snide references to hero worship or any other similar stuff. I met him. I know what he was like.

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New Here

waynegr wrote:
I have always been natural.

Wayne


You're just saying that to promote Bios routine. There's not a man alive can use that kind of weight for one-arm pullovers without drugs.

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Mr Flibble

I agree with New Here. It must be some pretty powerful stuff he's on!
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Drew Baye

Florida, USA

New Here wrote:

Wayne

You're just saying that to promote Bios routine. There's not a man alive can use that kind of weight for one-arm pullovers without drugs.



ROFLMAO!

Wayne definitely could use some drugs, but not the kind we're talking about here.
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waynegr

Switzerland

New Here wrote:
waynegr wrote:
I have always been natural.

Wayne

You're just saying that to promote Bios routine. There's not a man alive can use that kind of weight for one-arm pullovers without drugs.



Yes there is me.

I do not as you say promote Johns program.

Wow big thx there New Here you are the second person to make my frigging day, I am TOTALLY natural. Pure and natural as the driven snow, and always have been, yep I still am amassed at how strong you get on Johns program, and believe it or not I am still gaining strength, mind you I have always been above average in strength ways for my bodyweight.

When I debated with John I did question his methods, but never his great strength, as in my travels I have meet so many a outstandingly strong men.

But do you know what John said to me when I asked him about his strength increases ??? He said If I can do it so can you, and a few years later and he was all so right, lucky I had the physical and mental drive, without both you will not succeed.

So New Here, if I can so can you.

Honestly I have never taken, just not the type.

Wayne



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Mr Flibble

Some may use Deca, Dianabol, clenbuterol or HGH but Wayne finds a strong mixture of Lithium, Thorazine, Compazine and Diazepam does the trick.

His Doctor gives them to him for free and after each dosage the one-armed pullover feels like he's floating over Cardigan bay.
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waynegr

Switzerland

It looks from your photo in your aviator that your in a pharmacist, drug store and with all the wrong things you have been saying about rep speed you might get a better understanding if you took some.

Drew Baye wrote:
New Here wrote:

Wayne

You're just saying that to promote Bios routine. There's not a man alive can use that kind of weight for one-arm pullovers without drugs.

ROFLMAO!

Wayne definitely could use some drugs, but not the kind we're talking about here.


Hi Drew the Dentist,

As we are submitting some friendly jokes is it you who Scott Abel called a MORON ??? And has a photo of YOU in a CLOWNS suit ??? As if you understood anything about rep speed, science, and physics which you dont as you have backed out of the debate you will see all I have written is right on, its stop on, I am a man of science you are not, so I wonder who the idiot is now ???

We are discussing the below in my fast vs. slow thread if you care to join ???

http://www.T-Nation.com/...e.do?id=1863140

I have used some of the below from a persons Web-site, but cant remember whose, think it was from Roger M. Enoka site.

PART ONE,

Proveing Drew the Dentist and some of the slow reps are ho so wrong it hurts


There are a lot here that misunderstand how motor/muscle fibers are recruited, Drew the Dentist the one of them and called me an idiot, but it was he who does not understand.

Using 80% of 1RM you are going for 10 reps, now there are the slower reppers that use a 2/4, they lift for the first rep it goes up slow and easy.

Second rep try to lift the weight as fast as possible, the weight swiftly goes up to the top. The big difference between the first and second rep is with rep one you recruited only 70% of your motor units, with rep two you recruited a staggering 100% of your motor/muscle fibers or motor units.

I think we all know that the smallest motor/muscle fibers will always be recruited first, and largest will always be recruited last.

Since the largest motor/muscle fibers are recruited last, people think that means the end of a set, wrong.

You can recruit all of your recruitable motor/muscle fibers within the first or second rep, if the weight is heavy enough and the speed is fast enough, you can assume that the load must be 60/100% of your 1RM to recruit all your motor/muscle fibers.

Wayne


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waynegr

Switzerland

Mr Flibble wrote:
I agree with New Here. It must be some pretty powerful stuff he's on!


Wow yet another complement, and I am riods free, thx Mr Fibber.

Wayne

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Drew Baye

Florida, USA

Wayne,

The problem is, you don't know enough about the subject to understand why you are wrong. Your arguments are overly simplistic, based on erroneous premises, and ignore many critical factors. It doesn't matter to me who you believe is right, because your opinion on the subject doesn't count for anything here or anywhere else on the net.

There is no reason for me to spend time explaining any of it to you. The more sensible readers of this forum are well aware of the facts of the matter and require no further explanation.

Why do you refer to me as a dentist? You must have me confused with my brother. My younger brother Will is a dentist - he is a partner in Appleton Family Dentistry in Appleton, Wisconsin - I studied biology and exercise phys, not dentistry.
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Mr Flibble

waynegr wrote:
Mr Flibble wrote:
I agree with New Here. It must be some pretty powerful stuff he's on!

Wow yet another complement, and I am riods free, thx Mr Fibber.

Wayne



That's ok Wayne I believe you when you say you don't take any 'roids.

Sorry to be a pain but It's Mr Flibble by the way, not Mr Fibber. I'm sorry for being petty but Mr Fibber is completely different to me. He even lives in a different town.

That very strange "marsho" calls me Mr Fibber as well but I have it on good authority he lives in Australia so no need to worry. I'm not insulting any Aussies by the way as he's very likely to be a Brit ex-pat.

Thanks

Flibble
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