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Ellington Darden wrote:
I just talked on the phone to Ray Carona. He says he's bigger, stronger, and better than ever. He hasn't missed a workout in six months.

He promised to send me some recent pictures.

Ellington


Any more updates on Ray Dr D ? .... It would be great to see progress pics and how his routine is going in terms of x per week , volume and increases in resistance etc.

Keep up the good work , these `real` case studies are great inspiration.

Best wishes , T.

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kshatriya1985

Dr. D

I've been a life time HITer but this is the first time I've been doing whole body Arthur Jones style workouts and they're nothing short of brilliant, challenging and downright exhausting.

Just had a question for you. I know that most if not all HIT advocates recommend only 1 work set per exercise.

But then it comes down to the number of exercises per body part - for instance in my whole body routine if I'm using heavy weighted dips as my chest exercise, unless I'm shooting for specialization - in your oppinion is 1 exercise per body part taken to complete failure sufficient?

What was Arthur's view on how many exercises each body part needs - for instance the routine I'm following now is

Leg Extensions
Leg Press
Palms Up Pulldowns
Weighted Dips
Hammer Strength Rows
Dumbell Shrugs
Nautilus Curls
Nautilus Tricep Extensions
Standing Calf Raises

Any thoughts? Oppinions?

- K
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chirsg

Louisiana, USA

Dr. Darden,

I am a 38 years old guy. I way 159 lbs and am 5'7 1/2" tall. I am at 11% body fat as of 4 weeks ago. I train using a somewhat modified HVT w/ a split upper body / lower body routine 2 to 3 times per week where I push myself through a circuit sets with little to no rest between movements.

In the past when I drop my body fat below 10% my weight drops to about 145 and I look really skinny even gaunt in the face. I was just read TNHIT and would like to start a program to see if I can further lower my body fat to below 10% and put on 5 to 10 lbs of muscle.

Which of the HIT programs do you think would be best for me. The one from Florida Dreaming, or the basic routines in the book TNHIT. I'm concerned about the abdominal training aspects. I usually train my abs to failure 2 to 3 times per week using basic crunches, and weighted crunches, leg raises.

I noticed in the book your routines have less abdominal work than I am used too. I would love to hear your suggestions on this. Thanks!
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burger

Dr Darden
I have worked out most my life. I started reading about Arther Jones HIT and it made a lot of scene.I discovered you when i google my uncle Charles Estes.My dad competed with you in Mr All South.I think you won it and he came in fourth.What books of yours would you suggest me reading. Thanks Micah Estes
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Ellington Darden

Hi Micah,

Yes, I remember the 1970 Mr. South contest. The best books for you are The New HIT and The New BB for Old-School Results.

The New HIT is available at many bookstores or through Amazon. The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results is only available through my website. See the click-to offer on the left side.

Thanks,

Ellington
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J.W.

Indiana, USA

So what were the final results for ray and his wife, and was his basic routine?
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health_dude

Ohio, USA

Ellington Darden wrote:
I just talked on the phone to Ray Carona. He says he's bigger, stronger, and better than ever. He hasn't missed a workout in six months.

He promised to send me some recent pictures.

Ellington


@ Dr. Darden


Ellington

@Dr. Darden,

Wondering if Ray has sent any updated pictures of his progress. Also, would you please share what his exercises, workout plan, and nutrition plan were he did.

Thank you for continuing to give all of us such inspiring Real World examples of HIT in action !
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health_dude

Ohio, USA

Hello Dr. Darden,

Wondering if Ray has sent any updated pictures of his progress. Also, would you please share what his exercises, workout plan, and nutrition plan were he did.

Thank you for continuing to give all of us such inspiring Real World examples of HIT in action !
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health_dude

Ohio, USA

Hi John,

Was wondering how the progress is coming and hope we may discuss HIT sometime.

Really liked your story....both motivating and revealing the true potential within HIT.

Best regards, Bill



theblade wrote:
Hello Dr. Darden,

It's been a while since I chatted with you, and happy to say I'm still the staunch advocate of HIT. In my travels through bodybuilding I have managed to share the wisdom of HIT with a number of people, and even though there is an abundance of marketing designed to entice the trainer into overtraining, I still manage to convert a few people now and again.

I would like to share one such story with your readers if I may. You may recall a story about a high volume advocate that I converted about a year ago. He is the same age as me, going on 44 and was having the usual amount of trouble putting on size, plateauing etc. I explained to him that students of HIT don't plateau ever, and that we avoid overtraining like the plague, so that infesting ones body with inflammation (which has been linked to the development of numerous endocrine disorders including arthritis), never occurs.

I managed to convince him, after one whole workout, that HIT will provide him with the right amount of stimulation, that will initiate a positive feedback loop, causing the body to grow rapidly in order to sustain itself from this type of stress in the future. Additionally, following the guidance of yourself and Mr. Jones principles, he could structure his workouts so that there is ample variety to keep him coming back with renewed enthusiasm and above all, development.

Some time has passed, and he has had enormous gains. In the past year he has gone from 170 lbs to 225 lbs, at 6 foot 2 inches and maintained a bodyfat between 9 and 12 percent.

The only thing about great results in bodybuilding that has bothered me over the years, is that I liken it to a powerful drug. Not unlike the addiction one can develop to adrenaline, enormous gains in bodybuilding rarely leave the individual feeling fully satisfied. Or perhaps it's that feeling of continual satisfaction that is a contributing factor to the addiction.

Weather it is the chicken or the egg that came first, what is noteworthy I feel is the addiction to constant development. Although this can be healthy, it can in some instances cause an individual to make bad choices. In some extreme cases a trainee might reach for steroids in order to maximize their already awesome growth, and feed their addiction to extreme development.

In the case that I'm referring to however, it lead this trainee to stray from the path of HIT to search out what might be a "better way to train". Perhaps it was because I convinced him to abandon his earlier methods, and that worked out very well, that he decided that all he would have to do is change again, and would be handsomely rewarded again.

Well you can imagine what happened, he paid some well educated, highly recognized and respected strength and conditioning coach who was formerly employed for a number of years at a major university a ton of money to train him. He did just that. Five weeks into this high volume, low intensity program of multiple sets with moderate weights etc, and he had lost several inches of muscle from his shoulders, chest and arms.

Was plagued with aches and pains in all of his joints, had point tenderness in both elbows and had lost 12 pounds. After reporting all of this to his trainer on a number of occasions he would reply, "that's great" and "don't worry" I'm just glad this assholes not a doctor !

I discovered that my friend was in bad shape, not because he told me, but because after not seeing him for about a month I ran into him at a local store, and even under a leather jacket I could see he had lost significant size, he didn't have "that glow" that a successful trainee has. We sat down and he told me of this dreadful story, and I managed after just speaking with him to re-direct him back to the correct path. He'll have a week layoff with a lot of good food to eat. We went shopping for groceries while we planned his return to successful training.

I'll keep you abreast of his return to HIT and the results that are sure to follow. I feel it necessary however, to include the following message as I finish this story. Even though HIT is more popular now, we are still a rare breed of trainees. We train brief and hard, one set to failure, then move on. People often take notice, and some speak up.

Most are just curious, some are critical, and some are downright malicious. What's paramount is that we as followers of HIT must protect what we've learned. It has come for many of us after years of following what the masses do and getting nowhere. Now that we have something that is truly exceptional, it is most important to protect what we believe in, and why ? Simple, because it works. My friend told me in his explanation of what he had fallen into, that if he had maintained contact with me, or at least another High Intensity Trainee, that he would not have been very likely to have strayed off course.

In closing, share your stories of success with one another, and keep in contact with as many HIT personnel as you can, such as through this site. It is important to protect what you have learned, cause not unlike my friend, you can be directed away from what is good for you, and very often by some good intentioned people.

There not all bad, they just don't know.

John.


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health_dude

Ohio, USA

Hi jasonjduke,

Great progress !!
Wondering how you are progressing and hope we can talk more about HIT.

Best regards, Bill
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health_dude

Ohio, USA

jasonjduke wrote:
Dr. Ellington,

Bought your book "The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results" and it is by far one of the best books on bodybuilding ever written.

I admire the old school bodybuilders like Ross and Reeves. I look to them as a goal and an inspiration. I take no supplements and enhancers - just the best food on earth much like them.

I like the perspective on using machines (never used them), but the gym I go to has Flex from California South. What's the deal? - are any of their machines any good? - they have a neck one sitting on the floor.

I am intrigued as to why wide grip lat pulldowns are bunk, in your opinion what is the difference with the grip? What should one do?

In the past ten days I have gained 1 pound on the scale, but my bodyfat has dropped 1.5% (Actually more but I just don't believe it). I doubled my milk and yogurt consumption to compensate for the quick weight loss and have started taking 50 grams of protein powder a day. This change in weight would be a 4 to 5 pound increase in lean mass in ten days! The proof is in stretch marks starting to appear in the armpit. One hell of a growth spurt after one hell of a growth spurt.

I can say that my "now old" shirts no longer fit - when I get pumped in the gym it now it appears that I am going to bust through them, my shoulders are now a bit over 21" and I have the beginnings of a vacuum forming - been practicing like you recommend (those pullovers do wonders for the posture also). What do you think of Rader Pulls? I do them every couple days and after the squats - I find my upper body craves that stretch often.

Currently

Day 1
Squats lx20x200
Bar Straight Arm Pullovers 1x20x20
Dumb Bent Arm Pullovers 1x40x8-12

Day 3
Bent Over Row 3x6x180
Wide Grip Lat Pulldown 3x6x170

Day 5
Flat Bench Press 3x6x180
Front Military Press 3x6x115

Day 6 Repeat

I am not strick with the days, but the 6 day rotation is about as far as I can condense it. I surf 10-20 hours a week on top of this program and being the winter season - it is moderate to intense. I am making 5 pound gains in everything every cycle (the military press got a bit sticky). I very much want to incorporate some of your techniques, but this program is the gold right now - so far 16 to 18 lean muscle in 52 days - 7.5 weeks.

Nobody laughs anymore.

They actually look quite serious.

I know I do.

Jason


Awesome results Jason. Wondering how is your progress?

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health_dude

Ohio, USA

jasonjduke wrote:
jasonjduke wrote:
I am intrigued as to why wide grip lat pulldowns are bunk, in your opinion what is the difference with the grip? What should one do?

Yep, I got my answer to this question. This may be one reason why I have enjoyed bent arm barbell pullovers over the years. If anybody wants to know read "Nautilus Bulletin #1, Chapter 3, The Functions of Muscular Structures." Enlightening.

It is actually this chapter that has softened my rigid anti-machine mentality that I have held for years. Now when I go to the gym I find myself staring at the odd contraptions. Even though they are the Flex brand, they are probably a rip-off of Jones's designs, though I am no expert in saying this. One day I think I will touch them again - it has been seven years - I will say that if my gym had the pullover machine this is the first one I would try, but alas they don't.

I introduced many of the methods in the The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results with success in the lat and pec area. I did a combination of the following without rest.

1.Bent-Arm Barbell Pullovers 8-12 reps
2.Underhand Shoulder-width Cable Pulldowns @ at least 6, but no more than 12
3.Barbell Bicep Curls 8-12

Yes, my biceps felt like torches, but my lats thickened and are more striated. I have moved to sets of dead hang full extension chins at a body weight of 195. I have never felt stronger in this movement.

On another interesting note I found that I am not much of a bench presser, but found I am incredibly strong and stable doing weighted dips. These have add considerable thickness to my chest in just weeks time doing high-intensity exhaustive sets. Ughn! give me more!

By the way make that another 10 pounds. I am 3 months in and weighing 195 @ 9-10% bodyfat. Yes that is 20 pounds of muscle in 12 weeks - 20 pounds in 84 days - a quarter pound per day. I started at 179 @ 13%. Things were slowing up a bit so I focused some on my upper body and sculpting for 3 weeks, but came back into breathing squats at 20 reps for 225. I put a half inch on my thigh in the last two weeks - now measuring 24.5 inches at a height of 5'10.5."

100% natural and with only 20 grams whey protein a day as my only supplement.

Thanks Dr. Darden for the read and enlightening assistance concerning training.


Like you, found the weighted dips to be more result producing for myself as well. Also switching from wide grip pulldowns to shoulder width chins have helped both my back as well as biceps...a Win ~ Win deal !

Best to you in training ~

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jasonjduke

Health Dude wrote:
Awesome results Jason. Wondering how is your progress?


Health Dude wrote:
Like you, found the weighted dips to be more result producing for myself as well. Also switching from wide grip pulldowns to shoulder width chins have helped both my back as well as biceps...a Win ~ Win deal !

Best to you in training ~


Hi Bill, well its been over 4 years since I made my posts on Darden's forum. I still love his old school book and I train everyday I go to the gym like the old school guys. I don't do HIT exclusively anymore, but I still apply its methods when necessary.

But, as to my progress. I have gained over 30 pounds of muscle naturally. I peaked on my heavy high rep squats @ 3 sets for 15 reps with 315 pounds. I regularly dip with a hundred or so pounds around my 200 pound waist. No longer do I have a bodyweight of 150. Ancient history by now.

I eat over 5000 calories daily and weigh 200 at around 10% bodyfat. And it all started when I read Darden's old school bodybuilding book over 4 years ago. I knew about the holy grail of bodybuilding - the 20 rep squat. And I am on my quest for my beloved Iron Dragon.

Thanks Darden.

And thanks Bill and the best to your training.
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health_dude

Ohio, USA

jasonjduke wrote:
Health Dude wrote:
Awesome results Jason. Wondering how is your progress?

Health Dude wrote:
Like you, found the weighted dips to be more result producing for myself as well. Also switching from wide grip pulldowns to shoulder width chins have helped both my back as well as biceps...a Win ~ Win deal !

Best to you in training ~


Hi Bill, well its been over 4 years since I made my posts on Darden's forum. I still love his old school book and I train everyday I go to the gym like the old school guys. I don't do HIT exclusively anymore, but I still apply its methods when necessary.

But, as to my progress. I have gained over 30 pounds of muscle naturally. I peaked on my heavy high rep squats @ 3 sets for 15 reps with 315 pounds. I regularly dip with a hundred or so pounds around my 200 pound waist. No longer do I have a bodyweight of 150. Ancient history by now.

I eat over 5000 calories daily and weigh 200 at around 10% bodyfat. And it all started when I read Darden's old school bodybuilding book over 4 years ago. I knew about the holy grail of bodybuilding - the 20 rep squat. And I am on my quest for my beloved Iron Dragon.

Thanks Darden.

And thanks Bill and the best to your training.


Hi Jason,

Good to hear from you.

Those are impressive results for those squats. Especially on those dips with an extra hundred pounds strapped on must produce excellent muscle gains.

Noticed as well, with the demand of your workouts your calories are at 5000.

That goes to show the basics are still the best with you now at two-hundred pounds vs. your one-hundred fifty pounds previously.

Having previously also enjoyed as you said the Holy Grail of bodybuilding...the 20 rep Squat plan. Currently doing Rest Pause with the basic moves of dips, chins, rows, standing overhead press, and alternate squats with stiff-leg dead lifts.

Curious what training you are presently doing?

By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

As well, Thank you Darden,

and Thanks Jason, wish you the best in your training as well on your quest for your beloved Iron Dragon.




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health_dude

Ohio, USA

health_dude wrote:
jasonjduke wrote:
Health Dude wrote:
Awesome results Jason. Wondering how is your progress?

Health Dude wrote:
Like you, found the weighted dips to be more result producing for myself as well. Also switching from wide grip pulldowns to shoulder width chins have helped both my back as well as biceps...a Win ~ Win deal !

Best to you in training ~


Hi Bill, well its been over 4 years since I made my posts on Darden's forum. I still love his old school book and I train everyday I go to the gym like the old school guys. I don't do HIT exclusively anymore, but I still apply its methods when necessary.

But, as to my progress. I have gained over 30 pounds of muscle naturally. I peaked on my heavy high rep squats @ 3 sets for 15 reps with 315 pounds. I regularly dip with a hundred or so pounds around my 200 pound waist. No longer do I have a bodyweight of 150. Ancient history by now.

I eat over 5000 calories daily and weigh 200 at around 10% bodyfat. And it all started when I read Darden's old school bodybuilding book over 4 years ago. I knew about the holy grail of bodybuilding - the 20 rep squat. And I am on my quest for my beloved Iron Dragon.

Thanks Darden.

And thanks Bill and the best to your training.

Hi Jason,

Good to hear from you.

Those are impressive results for those squats. Especially on those dips with an extra hundred pounds strapped on must produce excellent muscle gains.

Noticed as well, with the demand of your workouts your calories are at 5000.

That goes to show the basics are still the best with you now at two-hundred pounds vs. your one-hundred fifty pounds previously.

Having previously also enjoyed as you said the Holy Grail of bodybuilding...the 20 rep Squat plan. Currently doing Rest Pause with the basic moves of dips, chins, rows, standing overhead press, and alternate squats with stiff-leg dead lifts.

Curious what training you are presently doing?

By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

As well, Thank you Darden,

and Thanks Jason, wish you the best in your training as well on your quest for your beloved Iron Dragon.




Hi Jason,

Hope we can talk more about training, life, enjoying using both weights as well as body weight training to achieve fitness goals.

Best to You !!

Bill

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health_dude

Ohio, USA

health_dude wrote:
health_dude wrote:
jasonjduke wrote:
Health Dude wrote:
Awesome results Jason. Wondering how is your progress?

Health Dude wrote:
Like you, found the weighted dips to be more result producing for myself as well. Also switching from wide grip pulldowns to shoulder width chins have helped both my back as well as biceps...a Win ~ Win deal !

Best to you in training ~


Hi Bill, well its been over 4 years since I made my posts on Darden's forum. I still love his old school book and I train everyday I go to the gym like the old school guys. I don't do HIT exclusively anymore, but I still apply its methods when necessary.

But, as to my progress. I have gained over 30 pounds of muscle naturally. I peaked on my heavy high rep squats @ 3 sets for 15 reps with 315 pounds. I regularly dip with a hundred or so pounds around my 200 pound waist. No longer do I have a bodyweight of 150. Ancient history by now.

I eat over 5000 calories daily and weigh 200 at around 10% bodyfat. And it all started when I read Darden's old school bodybuilding book over 4 years ago. I knew about the holy grail of bodybuilding - the 20 rep squat. And I am on my quest for my beloved Iron Dragon.

Thanks Darden.

And thanks Bill and the best to your training.

Hi Jason,

Good to hear from you.

Those are impressive results for those squats. Especially on those dips with an extra hundred pounds strapped on must produce excellent muscle gains.

Noticed as well, with the demand of your workouts your calories are at 5000.

That goes to show the basics are still the best with you now at two-hundred pounds vs. your one-hundred fifty pounds previously.

Having previously also enjoyed as you said the Holy Grail of bodybuilding...the 20 rep Squat plan. Currently doing Rest Pause with the basic moves of dips, chins, rows, standing overhead press, and alternate squats with stiff-leg dead lifts.

Curious what training you are presently doing?

By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

As well, Thank you Darden,

and Thanks Jason, wish you the best in your training as well on your quest for your beloved Iron Dragon.




Hi Jason,

Hope we can talk more about training, life, enjoying using both weights as well as body weight training to achieve fitness goals.

Best to You !!

Bill



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health_dude

Ohio, USA

Hi Jason,

Hope we can talk more about training, life, enjoying using both weights as well as body weight training to achieve fitness goals.

Best to You !!

Bill
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jasonjduke

health_dude wrote:
Those are impressive results for those squats. Especially on those dips with an extra hundred pounds strapped on must produce excellent muscle gains.

Noticed as well, with the demand of your workouts your calories are at 5000.

That goes to show the basics are still the best with you now at two-hundred pounds vs. your one-hundred fifty pounds previously.

Having previously also enjoyed as you said the Holy Grail of bodybuilding...the 20 rep Squat plan. Currently doing Rest Pause with the basic moves of dips, chins, rows, standing overhead press, and alternate squats with stiff-leg dead lifts.

Curious what training you are presently doing?

By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

As well, Thank you Darden,

and Thanks Jason, wish you the best in your training as well on your quest for your beloved Iron Dragon.


Hi Bill,

Actually, I've been in denial. I slayed my Dragon. But that's okay, there are other challenges in life and I survived 5 years of heavy high rep squatting. I achieved several goals over the years. 335lbsx15x3, 410x7x3, and even 3x50x225. Pretty much obliterated the "20 rep squat."

Your rest pause workout sounds challenging. Its nice to put a slant on the training as the years go on to make it more interesting and to be able to continue progression, not just in weight lifted, but other aspects of performance. I prefer the slower rep method to make it more challenging, instead of just pumping and heaving weights around. At least its better for my development. Up to 8-10 secs per rep is where I am with a lot of exercises, especially isolative stuff.

I actually took 2 months off at the end of summer, because I couldn't eat enough consistently while living a life. I lost about 10-15 pounds of lean mass and stopped squatting more than a 45 pound barbell. I'm down from 205 and currently at 191. This dropped my kcal intake down to 3500-4000 so that I could better manage my metabolism. Plus I am better able to work with my proportions without all that extra mass. No worries though, I can gain that lost 10-15 pounds in no time, by use of the 20 rep squat. ;)

Nice chatting Bill, I'll leave us with a favorite quote of mine by Jones:

"In my carefully considered opinion, most currently-active advanced bodybuilders will never accept an actually rational method or style of training - primarily, I think, because many of them are too stupid to understand the real factors involved, and too biased to accept them even if they can understand them; which is a far more pitiful commentary on the state of affairs than it might appear to be at first glance - because the actually important factors that must be understood for the most practical utilization of weight training are really very simple, perhaps too simple." Arthur Jones

Best,
Jason

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jasonjduke

health_dude wrote:
By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?


Anything written by Jones and Darden are part of my core reference materials. I like Ken Leistner's "The Steel Tip" which is also HIT in application. And to ensure that I am at least somewhat pretty, I keep my copy of Gironda's "The Wild Physique" on hand. For history on bodybuilding, go ahead and check out Randy Roach's "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors."

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health_dude

Ohio, USA

jasonjduke wrote:
health_dude wrote:
Those are impressive results for those squats. Especially on those dips with an extra hundred pounds strapped on must produce excellent muscle gains.

Noticed as well, with the demand of your workouts your calories are at 5000.

That goes to show the basics are still the best with you now at two-hundred pounds vs. your one-hundred fifty pounds previously.

Having previously also enjoyed as you said the Holy Grail of bodybuilding...the 20 rep Squat plan. Currently doing Rest Pause with the basic moves of dips, chins, rows, standing overhead press, and alternate squats with stiff-leg dead lifts.

Curious what training you are presently doing?

By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

As well, Thank you Darden,

and Thanks Jason, wish you the best in your training as well on your quest for your beloved Iron Dragon.

Hi Bill,

Actually, I've been in denial. I slayed my Dragon. But that's okay, there are other challenges in life and I survived 5 years of heavy high rep squatting. I achieved several goals over the years. 335lbsx15x3, 410x7x3, and even 3x50x225. Pretty much obliterated the "20 rep squat."

Your rest pause workout sounds challenging. Its nice to put a slant on the training as the years go on to make it more interesting and to be able to continue progression, not just in weight lifted, but other aspects of performance. I prefer the slower rep method to make it more challenging, instead of just pumping and heaving weights around. At least its better for my development. Up to 8-10 secs per rep is where I am with a lot of exercises, especially isolative stuff.

I actually took 2 months off at the end of summer, because I couldn't eat enough consistently while living a life. I lost about 10-15 pounds of lean mass and stopped squatting more than a 45 pound barbell. I'm down from 205 and currently at 191. This dropped my kcal intake down to 3500-4000 so that I could better manage my metabolism. Plus I am better able to work with my proportions without all that extra mass. No worries though, I can gain that lost 10-15 pounds in no time, by use of the 20 rep squat. ;)

Nice chatting Bill, I'll leave us with a favorite quote of mine by Jones:

"In my carefully considered opinion, most currently-active advanced bodybuilders will never accept an actually rational method or style of training - primarily, I think, because many of them are too stupid to understand the real factors involved, and too biased to accept them even if they can understand them; which is a far more pitiful commentary on the state of affairs than it might appear to be at first glance - because the actually important factors that must be understood for the most practical utilization of weight training are really very simple, perhaps too simple." Arthur Jones

Best,
Jason



Hi Jason,

Good to hear from you !
Feel we each have our dragon to slay. Then, on the horizon, is the next challenge to enjoy the journey in slaying. And you have already had quite a journey with an impressive squat record along with obliterating the "20 rep squat" as well.

Know what you mean and agree, slow is better for reps to work the muscles and not the ego. Usually will do 4 secs up, 2 secs hold, then 4 secs down. Presently combine some wisdom of Arthur Jones, Mike Mentzer, and Dr. Darden. Combining Nautilus, Hammer strength, as well as free weights and body weight.

Not all the same day though ...lol! ;)

Usually some machine with free weight, then especially during recovery or light weeks will work on bodyweight, from dragon flags, handstand pushups, muscle ups, etc. Feel each has its rewards to milk.

It's good to take time off from the weights, in fact, that's what the old school muscle builders did. Doing bodyweight,or swimming. And like you mentioned...easy to gain that ten to fifteen pounds by adding in those 20 rep squats ;)

Always enjoy hearing AJs sayings - They ring as true now as ever especially with the current bodybuilding scene. Glad we're not caught up in it and realize the Truth is simple ... when you open your mind to it ;)

Good talking to you too and wish you the Best in training and Life Jason !! :-)

Bill
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health_dude

Ohio, USA

jasonjduke wrote:
health_dude wrote:
By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

Anything written by Jones and Darden are part of my core reference materials. I like Ken Leistner's "The Steel Tip" which is also HIT in application. And to ensure that I am at least somewhat pretty, I keep my copy of Gironda's "The Wild Physique" on hand. For history on bodybuilding, go ahead and check out Randy Roach's "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors."



Hey there Jason,

Excellent choices, will read anything by Jones and Darden, and Ken Leistner is a favorite from way back...which reminds me, will start reading more again ! Feel so motivated afterward ;)

Like your idea of reading Gironda's "Wild Physique". Can't help but be inspired to have the look to match the muscles. Always felt muscle with symmetry is far superior.

Thanks for the great reading tips. Sure, will inspire some Super workouts to wrap up 2013.

Best to you Jason !
Bill
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Ohio, USA

Warm wishes to you Jason for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year too !



health_dude wrote:
jasonjduke wrote:
health_dude wrote:
By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

Anything written by Jones and Darden are part of my core reference materials. I like Ken Leistner's "The Steel Tip" which is also HIT in application. And to ensure that I am at least somewhat pretty, I keep my copy of Gironda's "The Wild Physique" on hand. For history on bodybuilding, go ahead and check out Randy Roach's "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors."



Hey there Jason,

Excellent choices, will read anything by Jones and Darden, and Ken Leistner is a favorite from way back...which reminds me, will start reading more again ! Feel so motivated afterward ;)

Like your idea of reading Gironda's "Wild Physique". Can't help but be inspired to have the look to match the muscles. Always felt muscle with symmetry is far superior.

Thanks for the great reading tips. Sure, will inspire some Super workouts to wrap up 2013.

Best to you Jason !
Bill


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Ohio, USA

jasonjduke wrote:
health_dude wrote:
By the way, any other good books you've read regarding bodybuilding as well as inspiration and such?

Anything written by Jones and Darden are part of my core reference materials. I like Ken Leistner's "The Steel Tip" which is also HIT in application. And to ensure that I am at least somewhat pretty, I keep my copy of Gironda's "The Wild Physique" on hand. For history on bodybuilding, go ahead and check out Randy Roach's "Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors."




Hey Jason,

Happy 2014 New Year !!

Been enjoying progress with Martin Berkhan's IF and training. Like getting lean, dense muscle, that looks great too !!

Curious how the New Year is treating you.

Wish you the Best of your plans are Realized !!

Best regards, Bill

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