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pyro13g

Ohio, USA

Just curious if anyone else ever gets a huge, uncontrollable urge to pig out? I mean, no matter how hard you try, how much water you drink, having a small meal, etc you just lose your mind and eat big.

One of these episodes hit me about 11pm last night. So I fired up my coffee can and ended the existence of two grilled beer brats with cheese and a grilled double cheeseburger. I wanted nothing to do with chicken, tuna steaks, salmon steaks, etc. I am having home made beef stew for breakfast as I write this.

Had a great workout Monday and split wood for about an hour on tues. and weds.
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Butters

As long as I don't go too ridiculously low with calories while dieting, I never get that urge. Are you dieting currently and what are your stats and average daily calorie intake?
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Drew Baye

Florida, USA

No urge is uncontrollable.

As one of my co-workers likes to tell his clients, "We're people, not alligators. We don't have to snap at any food we come across, we can choose not to eat it."
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Captain Puny

I do have a planned "pig-out" once per week, more for practical reasons that anything else. Have you tried a carbonated beverage in situations like this? That can help polish off an appetite surge pretty nicely. (Something calorie-free of course!)
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southbeach

pyro13g wrote:
Just curious if anyone else ever gets a huge, uncontrollable urge to pig out? I mean, no matter how hard you try, how much water you drink, having a small meal, etc you just lose your mind and eat big.

One of these episodes hit me about 11pm last night. So I fired up my coffee can and ended the existence of two grilled beer brats with cheese and a grilled double cheeseburger. I wanted nothing to do with chicken, tuna steaks, salmon steaks, etc. I am having home made beef stew for breakfast as I write this.

Had a great workout Monday and split wood for about an hour on tues. and weds.


Have a huge salad waiting in the wings to squelch this urge. Might not be your first choice but will fill the void and with a full stomach take that 'knaw' off. With lots of nutrients and almost no calorie hit.

ps don't drown it in OIL this adds too many calories and defeats the purpose. Personally i use vinegar only.
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pyro13g

Ohio, USA

Must just be one of those days/things. Can't get full. Another 2.5lbs of food from the grocery hot bar for lunch. At least it was a lot of turkey.

Haven't been dieting. Just sticking to 2300 maintenance calories. Summer is not a time for that for me. Lots and lots of physical labor going on.

Sitting at 5'10" 165lbs.
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Ellington Darden

pyro,

For nagging hunger, eat a hard apple (about 100 calories). If that doesn't work, eat another hard apple.

I've yet to find anyone who could finish two hard apples and still be hungry.

Ellington
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veganmaster

Ellington Darden wrote:
pyro,

For nagging hunger, eat a hard apple (about 100 calories). If that doesn't work, eat another hard apple.

I've yet to find anyone who could finish two hard apples and still be hungry.

Ellington


A good idea. A scientific study used a "Satiety Index" (details below). The spectacular winner was clearly the simple potato, which is a nutrition powerhouse (read these 2 articles on the potato & you'll likely understand more about nutrition than your doctor):
http://www.nealhendrickson.com/...sarepillars.htm
http://www.drmcdougall.com/.../may/potato.htm


The Satiety Index

Each of the following foods is rated by how much food people ate after consuming them to satisfy their hunger.

All are compared to white bread, ranked as "100"
Bakery Products Carbohydrate-Rich Foods
Croissant 47% White bread 100%
Cake 65% French fries 116%
Doughnuts 68% White pasta 119%
Cookies 120% Brown Rice 132%
Crackers 127% White rice 138%
Snacks and Confectionary Grain bread 154%
Mars candy bar 70% Wholemeal bread 157%
Peanuts 84% Brown pasta 188%
Yogurt 88% Potatoes, boiled 323%
Crisps 91% Protein-Rich Foods
Ice cream 96% Lentils 133%
Jellybeans 118% Cheese 146%
Popcorn 154% Eggs 150%
Breakfast Cereals with Milk Baked beans 168%
Muesli 100% Beef 176%
Sustain 112% Ling fish 225%
Special K 116% Fruits
Cornflakes 118% Bananas 118%
Honeysmacks 132% Grapes 162%
All-Bran 151% Apples 197%
Porridge/Oatmeal 209% Oranges 202%

Table adapted from S.H.A. Holt, J.C. Brand Miller, P. Petocz, and E. Farmakalidis, "A Satiety Index of Common Foods," European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, September 1995, pages 675-690.
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marcrph

Portugal

Be a proactive eater rather than a reactive eater.
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Butters

pyro13g wrote:
Haven't been dieting. Just sticking to 2300 maintenance calories. Summer is not a time for that for me. Lots and lots of physical labor going on.

Sitting at 5'10" 165lbs.


At 165 lbs and doing lots of physical labor, it's likely 2300 is still below your maintenance. I would raise daily calories to around 2600 and see what happens. If you can still maintain weight at that point, maybe even try a smaller bump again. It might help you avoid the temptation to binge.
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pyro13g

Ohio, USA

marcrph wrote:
Be a proactive eater rather than a reactive eater.


I do eat pro-actively. Usually very good about eating every few hours and yesterday was no exception. The fact that it was really fatty food that I wanted was even more surprising. I usually eat a burger or something maybe once every two to three weeks.

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stevecollins33

It's not unusual(as Tom Jones once sang)to have this, especially in the evening when you're tired and blood sugar levels start to drop. I personally wanted to pig-out a lot when I was on a high-carb diet and used to suffer cravings on a regular basis.

Also after workouts I used to feel absolutely ravenous at times. No post-workout shake crap. I felt like I could eat so much I'd be asked to leave if I went down to my local all you can eat Chinese restaurant!

This greatly subsided when I made the switch to low carb. Insulin levels are more consistent, fats make you feel full for longer and cravings seldom bother me. Now a bland post-workout shake is all I can face and that is a chore getting it down my neck.
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Crotalus

stevecollins33 wrote:

This greatly subsided when I made the switch to low carb. Insulin levels are more consistent, fats make you feel full for longer and cravings seldom bother me. Now a bland post-workout shake is all I can face and that is a chore getting it down my neck.


Same here ... I was hungry 24/7 on a high carb diet and was commonly craving some sort of junk food. I used to go through my 400 calorie coffee cup of food in 30 seconds and be looking for every grain of rice that might have fallen off the spoon like I was a concentration camp prisoner.

Now on a low carb diet I don't count calories and I am sure I'm eating more than the 1900 I was on with the high carb diet and am only hungry when waking up in the morning ... and far leaner while maintaining muscle / body weight.

But then again, we have those studies that say this doesn't work and the results we've experience are apparently imagined.

Geez .... I don't know what to do ;)

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pyro13g

Ohio, USA

I have been high carb for a very long time.
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bamiller

Ellington Darden wrote:
pyro,

For nagging hunger, eat a hard apple (about 100 calories). If that doesn't work, eat another hard apple.

I've yet to find anyone who could finish two hard apples and still be hungry.

Ellington


I use that technique often as well. Apples are packed with awesome nutrients and fiber. I believe its the fiber that fills you up.

I can eat two apples in my office an hour or two before lunch and be set for another 3 hours if I get stuck on conference calls.
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southbeach

Obviously if you must give in to an urge to break your diet momentarily eat smthg calorie-sparse packed with FIBER. Invariably this is a whole carb food such as fruit or better yet vegetables.

Fruit is fine (and easy to "prepare') but vegetables generally trump fruit when it comes to nutrient density. But fruit is fine and easy.

You could prepare a vegetable tray in anticipation of an 'urge'. Eating vegetables or a piece of fruit is really not breaking a diet plan for many of us on 'low-carb', but augmenting one ;)
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veganmaster

Crotalus wrote:
stevecollins33 wrote:
Same here ... I was hungry 24/7 on a high carb diet and was commonly craving some sort of junk food. I used to go through my 400 calorie coffee cup of food in 30 seconds and be looking for every grain of rice that might have fallen off the spoon like I was a concentration camp prisoner.

Now on a low carb diet I don't count calories and I am sure I'm eating more than the 1900 I was on with the high carb diet and am only hungry when waking up in the morning ... and far leaner while maintaining muscle / body weight.

But then again, we have those studies that say this doesn't work and the results we've experience are apparently imagined.

Geez .... I don't know what to do ;)



If one can stick with it, a diet such as the McDougall Maximum weight loss plan, helps one lose fat quickly while eating a lot. The catch is of course eating unprocessed fibrous complex starches, like potatoes/brown rice + lots of low-calorie green and yellow vegetables.
And there are many scientific studies supporting "ad libitum" low fat vegan diets for weight loss - because really, you can only eat so many nutrient-dense plant foods like apples, broccoli, etc., which are moderate in kcal, high in fiber, and slow to digest. This is why McDougall program is so damn successful for those willing to stick with it.

Personally, my favorite method is Soy Protein fasting - 25g of PRO every few hours guarantees an overall kcal deficit of a couple hundred kcal per 3 hours thus oxidizing FAT & Glycogen, while maintaining LBM. Both a protein-fast or & a total fast (8-13 hrs) are quite good at suppressing appetite. I've fasted regularly until 3-5 p.m. - after a couple days it becomes easy, check: www.leangains.blogspot.com/

Short-term fasting oxidizes a few grams of muscle, but it returns when you eat, check out the results from the link above. Still, I prefer PRO only fasting as you still have the possibility of gaining muscle while losing FAT, especially when combined with muscle work. And as shown by Bohe et al in "Human muscle protein synthesis is modulated by extracellular not intramuscular amino acid availability," protein synthesis is nearly maximized at .261 mg kg h of PRO only, which converts to about 20 g/h for the average male. Thus my current method uses PRO-only fasting during mornings I'm cutting, then PRO + Maltodextrin drinks when overfeeding. But FAT loss is much faster using fasting, but I've gotten paranoid about maintaining every bit of muscle I've gained, despite knowing how stingy the body is with its important protein stores! :) For example, I've recently gained additional muscle during a time when I'm not overfeeding - basically if you do the muscle work & keep some real food or just PRO in your stomach at all times you will be in a position to gain muscle.
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kata14

Ellington Darden wrote:
pyro,

For nagging hunger, eat a hard apple (about 100 calories). If that doesn't work, eat another hard apple.

I've yet to find anyone who could finish two hard apples and still be hungry.

Ellington


Finally the answer I've been looking for.
My diet is clean from morning to evening but there's a difficult moment before going to bed, here I risk to blow all and I sometimes feel an uncontrollable appetite in late hours.

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HeavyHitter32

The hard apple idea is great.
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Waynes

Switzerland

pyro13g wrote:
Just curious if anyone else ever gets a huge, uncontrollable urge to pig out? I mean, no matter how hard you try, how much water you drink, having a small meal, etc you just lose your mind and eat big.

One of these episodes hit me about 11pm last night. So I fired up my coffee can and ended the existence of two grilled beer brats with cheese and a grilled double cheeseburger. I wanted nothing to do with chicken, tuna steaks, salmon steaks, etc. I am having home made beef stew for breakfast as I write this.

Had a great workout Monday and split wood for about an hour on tues. and weds.


Yes I do every day, as its the only way most can gain muscle, I eat about 23 calories per pound of bodyweight, if your going to worry about keeping you six pack, you will have to forget about looking bigger and stronger, well most of us will anyway.

Wayne


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Mr. Strong

Waynes wrote:
pyro13g wrote:
Just curious if anyone else ever gets a huge, uncontrollable urge to pig out? I mean, no matter how hard you try, how much water you drink, having a small meal, etc you just lose your mind and eat big.

One of these episodes hit me about 11pm last night. So I fired up my coffee can and ended the existence of two grilled beer brats with cheese and a grilled double cheeseburger. I wanted nothing to do with chicken, tuna steaks, salmon steaks, etc. I am having home made beef stew for breakfast as I write this.

Had a great workout Monday and split wood for about an hour on tues. and weds.

Yes I do every day, as its the only way most can gain muscle, I eat about 23 calories per pound of bodyweight, if your going to worry about keeping you six pack, you will have to forget about looking bigger and stronger, well most of us will anyway.

Wayne





I eat quite a bit, and am able to maintain a 6 pack whilst putiing on size without a problem all year round,, you just need to be training right.
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JohnV474

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
The hard apple idea is great.


I agree. I have found that apples are the best way to curb my appetite also, when I am trying to be careful. Curiously, they work better than sandwiches, which have more calories.

JohnV474
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Waynes

Switzerland

Mr. Strong wrote:
Waynes wrote:
pyro13g wrote:
Just curious if anyone else ever gets a huge, uncontrollable urge to pig out? I mean, no matter how hard you try, how much water you drink, having a small meal, etc you just lose your mind and eat big.

One of these episodes hit me about 11pm last night. So I fired up my coffee can and ended the existence of two grilled beer brats with cheese and a grilled double cheeseburger. I wanted nothing to do with chicken, tuna steaks, salmon steaks, etc. I am having home made beef stew for breakfast as I write this.

Had a great workout Monday and split wood for about an hour on tues. and weds.

Yes I do every day, as its the only way most can gain muscle, I eat about 23 calories per pound of bodyweight, if your going to worry about keeping you six pack, you will have to forget about looking bigger and stronger, well most of us will anyway.

Wayne





I eat quite a bit, and am able to maintain a 6 pack whilst putiing on size without a problem all year round,, you just need to be training right.


So you have put on size without a problem all year round, what age are you, weight from three years ago to now and starting and now weights you lift, and photos and videos ??? And how much do you eat per day please.

Sounds great that you put on size without a problem all year round.

Wayne
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fbcoach

pyro13g wrote:
Just curious if anyone else ever gets a huge, uncontrollable urge to pig out? I mean, no matter how hard you try, how much water you drink, having a small meal, etc you just lose your mind and eat big.

One of these episodes hit me about 11pm last night. So I fired up my coffee can and ended the existence of two grilled beer brats with cheese and a grilled double cheeseburger. I wanted nothing to do with chicken, tuna steaks, salmon steaks, etc. I am having home made beef stew for breakfast as I write this.

Had a great workout Monday and split wood for about an hour on tues. and weds.


It's a seratonin deficiency. Try eating anything that raises and keeps seratonin levels stable. The apple idea sounds like a good idea.
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