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the_iron_goose

I recall reading about diets of bodybuilders of the past and many claimed * nuts * to be part of their diet. Why ? While they often have some protein, they are often high in fat. Specifically what nuts are good and why ??
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the_iron_goose

Nobody ?
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marcrph

Portugal

http://www.drdarden.com/...ic.do?id=412542
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the_iron_goose

Thanks Marc.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

The fat is largely monosaturated --- the stuff that's 'heart healthy'. They also have decent amounts of fiber and minerals.

They have a low GI and are great as a sustained source of energy. I swear by my peanut* butter toast the morning of workout days.

(*Yes I know peanuts are not truly nuts, but nutrionally they are very much the same, esp on macronutrients)
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southbeach

Nuts are energy dense and high in fat and as such should represent a limited intake in a healthy diet. Too much monounsat fat will clog your arteries too. Don't go hog wild..
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coomo

southbeach wrote:
Nuts are energy dense and high in fat and as such should represent a limited intake in a healthy diet. Too much monounsat fat will clog your arteries too. Don't go hog wild..

Whoa! sb! what about walnuts, brasils, etc?

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southbeach

coomo wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Nuts are energy dense and high in fat and as such should represent a limited intake in a healthy diet. Too much monounsat fat will clog your arteries too. Don't go hog wild..
Whoa! sb! what about walnuts, brasils, etc?



Hi!

What about them? They too are energy dense and high in fat.

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Ciccio

I love my nuts...

Franco
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

southbeach wrote:
Nuts are energy dense and high in fat and as such should represent a limited intake in a healthy diet. Too much monounsat fat will clog your arteries too. Don't go hog wild..


No shit. I don't think anyone is recommending eating nuts by the bucketful. However, for something like your mid-afternoon snack or pre-workout meal they're very useful.

I think your arteries statement is dead wrong. Please provide proof.

Certain levels of fats are essential for proper brain function. This especially relates to concentration and attention span --- reading some of your recent posts, I am able to see how these deficits can manifest themselves.
;-)

The brain is over 60% fat. Avoiding all types of fat - in a low fat diet for example - can lead to anxiety and depression and other mental health problems.

Polyunsaturated - omega 3 - fats are particularly important and these are particularly high in the oily rich fish and also present in the pumpkin seeds and walnuts.

You need to keep a balance between the omega 3 fats and the other essential ?omega 6? fats which are found in nuts and seeds.


All righty then. Time for my omega-3 egg and avocado omelette.

Scott
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Nuts to you!

http://health.msn.com/...05362>1=31036
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Mr. Strong

southbeach wrote:
Nuts are energy dense and high in fat and as such should represent a limited intake in a healthy diet. Too much monounsat fat will clog your arteries too. Don't go hog wild..



Lol, you come out with some rubbish.

Go have a steak, stop hugging those trees.
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Butters

southbeach wrote:
Nuts are energy dense and high in fat and as such should represent a limited intake in a healthy diet. Too much monounsat fat will clog your arteries too. Don't go hog wild..


Please tell me you're just trolling again. I think this is your dumbest post to date.
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southbeach

MONOUNSATURATED FAT when fed to monkeys in controlled studies where their food was controlled caused a build-up of plaque and heart disease. It may be LESS harmful than saturated or trans fat but monounsat fats are not heart healthy.

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat
Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis
Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition."
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Mr. Strong

southbeach wrote:
MONOUNSATURATED FAT when fed to monkeys in controlled studies where their food was controlled caused a build-up of plaque and heart disease. It may be LESS harmful than saturated or trans fat but monounsat fats are not heart healthy.

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat
Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis
Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition."


Could they not find any human subjects, or is this the only way they could prove what they wanted to?
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southbeach

Mr. Strong wrote:
southbeach wrote:
MONOUNSATURATED FAT when fed to monkeys in controlled studies where their food was controlled caused a build-up of plaque and heart disease. It may be LESS harmful than saturated or trans fat but monounsat fats are not heart healthy.

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat
Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis
Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition."

Could they not find any human subjects, or is this the only way they could prove what they wanted to?


are you volunteering? LOLOLOL
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marcrph

Portugal

Although not really a true nut, the cocoNUT may be one of the ultimate foodstuffs. Feeding a whole group of people to radiant healthiness, the cocoNUT and especially the oil within is an extravagant food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/...imicrobial.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/...il-studies.html
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southbeach

marcrph wrote:
Although not really a true nut, the cocoNUT may be one of the ultimate foodstuffs. Feeding a whole group of people to radiant healthiness, the cocoNUT and especially the oil within is an extravagant food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/...imicrobial.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/...il-studies.html


oh my, stay far far away from coconut oil!

A recent study reported in the August 15, 2006, issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology showed the harm from even one meal high in fat (where the fat came from coconut oil)!
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Butters

southbeach wrote:
MONOUNSATURATED FAT when fed to monkeys in controlled studies where their food was controlled caused a build-up of plaque and heart disease. It may be LESS harmful than saturated or trans fat but monounsat fats are not heart healthy.

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat
Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis
Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition."


Humans are primates, but we're not African Green Monkeys. You can't draw any definitive conclusions from that study. Why don't you try to back up your claim with a study on humans.
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veganmaster

Nuts provide concentrated kcal, but for body recomposition they will deposit more fat and less muscle compared to other isocaloric amounts of low fat, high carb plant foods (see my other posts for details, references).

Eating refined fats/oils is indeed unhealthy (though better than animal food) but let's be clear: people aren't dying by the thousands form eating unrefined nuts and seeds - when subjects eat more whole plant foods, regardless of the macronutrients, they reduce disease risk. Anyone who is worried about nuts/seeds and yet still consume significant amounts of animal foods has their priorities out of order.

Fat is great for weight gain because of its caloric density and the fact that fat doesn't satisfy like carbs and protein. But the catch is, the fat you eat is the fat you wear - so if you bulk with nuts/seeds you've got to burn off a lot of extra fat. But of course any surplus kcal diet will add to all energy stores (fat, pro, glycogen).






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southbeach

Butters wrote:
southbeach wrote:
MONOUNSATURATED FAT when fed to monkeys in controlled studies where their food was controlled caused a build-up of plaque and heart disease. It may be LESS harmful than saturated or trans fat but monounsat fats are not heart healthy.

Compared With Dietary Monounsaturated and Saturated Fat, Polyunsaturated Fat
Protects African Green Monkeys From Coronary Artery Atherosclerosis
Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology. 1995;15:2101-2110

" In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition."

Humans are primates, but we're not African Green Monkeys. You can't draw any definitive conclusions from that study. Why don't you try to back up your claim with a study on humans.


The monkey is a primate.

Furthermore,

"The animals studied included 44 feral adult male African green monkeys, Cercopithecus aethiops. The characteristics of the animal groups established for these studies have been documented in detail, and the compositions of the three different experimental diets are available.20 Briefly, the three experimental groups were selected to have similar plasma cholesterol concentrations in response to a common challenge diet that was enriched with saturated fat and cholesterol."


It's a very good study because their were isolated and their food supply carefully controlled. You need to get over the unfortunate fact that any fat is potentially harmful. The least harmful is polyunsaturated which is the predominated fat found in plants.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

southbeach wrote:
oh my, stay far far away from coconut oil!

A recent study reported in the August 15, 2006, issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology showed the harm from even one meal high in fat (where the fat came from coconut oil)!


The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Show your little study to the folks over in Hawaii, the state with the highest life expectancy.

Those MFs fry pork in coconut oil! Oh my stars and garters SB, you'd better go save them from themselves!
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southbeach

simon-hecubus wrote:
southbeach wrote:
oh my, stay far far away from coconut oil!

A recent study reported in the August 15, 2006, issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology showed the harm from even one meal high in fat (where the fat came from coconut oil)!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Show your little study to the folks over in Hawaii, the state with the highest life expectancy.

Those MFs fry pork in coconut oil! Oh my stars and garters SB, you'd better go save them from themselves!


The traditional Hawaiian diet is VERY low in fat, very high in complex carbs and moderate in protein. Hawaiian's used to be thin as a result of their lifestyle and diet. Look at them now.



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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

southbeach wrote:
Look at them now.


Yes look at them now, those fat living-to-age-75 bastards!

The nerve!!!
_________________________________

It popped into my head a few weeks ago and I ignored it. But now I am convinced of my suspisions.

Hiding in plain sight. That is one bold-ass move, Cherry. Bravo.
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southbeach

simon-hecubus wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Look at them now.

Yes look at them now, those fat living-to-age-75 bastards!

The nerve!!!
_________________________________

It popped into my head a few weeks ago and I ignored it. But now I am convinced of my suspisions.

Hiding in plain sight. That is one bold-ass move, Cherry. Bravo.


Look, these guys have very high rates of CVD and obesity. Maybe many great cardiologists live in Hawaii. ;))
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