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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Interesting in trying the program. Having problems finding the exact layout of the program. I'd like to perform it the way Dante recommends to give it a fair shot.

Any help is appreciated.

Michael
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skrewdriver

Michael Petrella wrote:
Interesting in trying the program. Having problems finding the exact layout of the program. I'd like to perform it the way Dante recommends to give it a fair shot.

Any help is appreciated.

Michael


Order his dvd.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

I have a bunch of good links at the office that I'll send you later. A few layout the basic premises and then added explanations of various facets.

PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you some MS Word docs I made from my sources.

Regards,
Scott
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Is the DVD performed or promoted by the creater of the system. Much like when I did John Casler's program I like to go right to the source when learning it.


Michael
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Michael Petrella wrote:
Is the DVD performed or promoted by the creater of the system. Much like when I did John Casler's program I like to go right to the source when learning it.

Michael


It's promoted by Dante, and performed by proteges that he's trained directly. Good stuff, but you'll learn nothing form-wise from thse guys --- much of it is more motivational than instructional (?).

The alternate exercises review is the best part.

I was however, very dissappointed that the much-vaunted "Widowmaker" set for quads was not performed on the DVD. I was very curious how continuous their version of a 20-rep squat or leg press was going to be.

Scott
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Butters

Michael Petrella wrote:
Is the DVD performed or promoted by the creater of the system. Much like when I did John Casler's program I like to go right to the source when learning it.


I'm not sure how much input Dante had into the video's creation, but the two guys in it are personally trained by him. They are fairly advanced BBers and instead of presenting the beginner, baseline Doggcrapp system, show what they are doing as advanced trainees. I won't pretend to know what Dante's opinion is, but I would imagine he would rather have presented the baseline program if it was his own video.

As for links, there is a blog with a collection of a lot of Dante's older writings. His personal trainees are keeping any changes to this pretty close, but it does explain the baseline DC program. Dante has rejected some of this since he wrote it, but it is a good place to start.

http://dc-training.blogspot.co...
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Here's some stuff to get you started:

http://dc-training.blogspot.co...

Here's the official forum:

http://www.intensemuscle.com/...dogg-pound.html

The "Puppy Pound" will get you going with starter notes. A "Sticky" is Dante's term for important items or finer points to remember; you'll see lots of Sticky threads.

Finally, here's a long-running T-Nation thread by a guy named Scott, that has Dante's blessing:
http://www.T-Nation.com/...ggcrap_training
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Not sure why that last one posted twice.
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

simon-hecubus thank you for everything.
I have much information to now go over.

I guess the next question is has anyone on the board used the routine and how did they like it? what were the results? How did they change the program to be better suited for them?

Michael
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

I have read over some of the articles and post about Doggcrapp and even though I have much more to read it is really sounding like this Dante is a smart cat. Alot of logical stuff in his program.
This is looking like its going to be my next training experiment.

Michael
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Waynes

Switzerland

Michael Petrella wrote:
I have read over some of the articles and post about Doggcrapp and even though I have much more to read it is really sounding like this Dante is a smart cat. Alot of logical stuff in his program.

This is looking like its going to be my next training experiment.

Michael


Please keep us informed.

Have you a record of all the programs you have been on, with the size and strength gains ???

Only problem at your age you could be constantly adding weight, by your natural growth possess, or maybe not.

This is where teenagers get confused about training, say they start training at 16, and make good weight gains, say 15 or 20 pounds in six months or a year, it actually could be all the natural growth possess,

but they then get so hung up on that program, and they swear its there best routine in the World and tell everyone to go on it, but I think you are a bit old for this, as your over the hill, as your what 26 ???

Wayne
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Hello Wayne,

I keep records of every workout and every few months take measurements, pictures and have an bio-analogics electro-lipograph to determine bodyfat.

So far the 2 most result producing programs I have come up for myself are,
John's direct compensation training, and a program I designed which employs J-reps and heavy triples. Long to explain.

I will say this though I feel nutrition is still more important then the actual training.

Got through my first DC workout. I have not done Dumbbell bench pressing for 2 years and was happy to find that 90's were too light. 100's would have been better and when my CNS re-learns the movement I hope to have to buy heavier dumbbells.

The soreness is severe. I attribute it to the stretching which I think I'm going to enjoy.

Michael
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N@tural1

Waynes wrote:
but I think you are a bit old for this, as your over the hill, as your what 26 ???

Wayne

26, over the hill?

What the hell you going on about!?
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N@tural1

Michael Petrella wrote:
John's direct compensation training, and a program


Hi Michael

How does this differ to Johns Rogue-HIT?

Thx
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

Hey Michael...could you post the DC routine you're doing? I'm curious to see what it looks like. How long are the workouts?

Thanx
Nate
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Natural2 wrote:
Michael Petrella wrote:
John's direct compensation training, and a program

Hi Michael

How does this differ to Johns Rogue-HIT?

Thx


Hello Natural,

the other program I came up with for myself was a combination of inspiration from Brian Johnston and Randy Roach.

I worked out Monday, Tuesday and Saturday.

I had a 3 way split J-reps routine. Upper body push, Upper Body Pull, and legs.

These workouts were done on the monday and tuesday. So each week one of them would be left out.
so week one would be
push - monday
pull - tuesday

Next week
leg - monday
push - tuesday

and the cycle continued like that.

Saturday's I would work out with Randy, and we would do a fullbody routine working up with heavy triples to a maximum triple on large exercises, like CG Bench press, Trap Bar Deadlift, Trap Bar Row, Lat pulldowns and a few others. Sometimes after the max triple we would come back down and do a 8-12 set till failure. Even though max weight was being used the low amount of volume in terms of sets and reps allowed for easy recovery but had my nervous system peaked.

This combined with my starting of raw food eating allowed me to put on 20lbs last summer. Gains I have not been able to replicate with the exception of my first few months weight training.

Most training days lasted no longer then 30 mins.

Michael

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

natemason5 wrote:
Hey Michael...could you post the DC routine you're doing? I'm curious to see what it looks like. How long are the workouts?

Thanx
Nate


Hello Nate,

I did right down a routine on paper but it is up at my gym and not with me right now. I will grab it later today and post it for you.

Michael

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

natemason5 wrote:
Hey Michael...could you post the DC routine you're doing? I'm curious to see what it looks like. How long are the workouts?

Thanx
Nate


Hey Nate, I see you are in Ontario. Where are you located?

The routine is right off of Dante's board.
4 weekly workouts.
Day 1 and 3
Chest
Shoulders
Triceps
Back Thickness
Back Width

Day 2 and 4
Biceps
Forearms
quads
hamstrings
calfs

You pick 3 exercises for each muscle group and choose one each time you train that muscle. You change an exercise when you are no longer gaining on it.

Some of my examples are

Chest - DB Flat Press
Incline BB Press
Nautilus Low friction Press

Quads - Nautilus Duo Squat
BB Squat
Leverage Leg Press

Back Thickness
BB ROW
DB Row
Nautilus Low friction Row.

The stretches prescribed after working the muscle are brutal. the workout normally take 30 mins, unless someone is training with me.

Only been a week, to soon to tell results but I am enjoying the workouts. Back up to 232 from Bio-forces program so If I gain on DC it will all be new muscle. 232 is my all time highest.

Michael
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N@tural1

Michael Petrella wrote:
The routine is right off of Dante's board.
4 weekly workouts.
Day 1 and 3
Chest
Shoulders
Triceps
Back Thickness
Back Width

Day 2 and 4
Biceps
Forearms
quads
hamstrings
calfs

Hey Michael.

I've never seen DC done like that, The split, yes but Iv always seen it done on a 3 day routine

WK1: A, B, A
WK2: B, A, B

Can you link me to where Dante suggests to perform both the workouts twice per week?

Thx.

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Sorry Natural, You are right.

That is how my program is. I said 4x per week didn't I. lol.

What you have written down is accurate.

Michael
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Natural2 wrote:
Michael Petrella wrote:
John's direct compensation training, and a program

Hi Michael

How does this differ to Johns Rogue-HIT?

Thx


Before the term "Rogue", John called his training Direct Compensation, but seemed to then drop that name when "DC" became the common abbreviation for DoggCrapp.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Natural2 wrote:
Hey Michael.

I've never seen DC done like that, The split, yes but Iv always seen it done on a 3 day routine

WK1: A, B, A
WK2: B, A, B

Can you link me to where Dante suggests to perform both the workouts twice per week?

Thx.


Agreed. You are not recommended to do the two-way split 4 days a week, only 3 like N2 lists above.

For very advanced trainees, Dante has a 3-way split (I think it's basically push, pull, legs) that you do 4 days/wk:

Week 1 - 1,2,3,1
Week 2 - 2,3,1,2
Week 3 - 3,1,2,3 etc

Going like you are, you are bound to hit a wall very soon.
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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:


Before the term "Rogue", John called his training Direct Compensation, but seemed to then drop that name when "DC" became the common abbreviation for DoggCrapp.


I am looking to change the name to REP MAX Training which is probably as accurate if not more accurate to the true system.

The ROGUE HIT, was actually a "tongue in cheek" moniker that kind of "stuck" when people saw it.

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

REP MAX training. Now I like that. Easy to remember, kindof catchy and when you know the program, an accurate description.

You got my vote for the name change anyways.

By the way John not sure if you have been following my posts but I am back up to 232. Some of the machines I am using for Rep Max training are shaking when they see me because they are running out of weight. lol.

Michael
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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

Michael Petrella wrote:
REP MAX training. Now I like that. Easy to remember, kindof catchy and when you know the program, an accurate description.

You got my vote for the name change anyways.

By the way John not sure if you have been following my posts but I am back up to 232. Some of the machines I am using for Rep Max training are shaking when they see me because they are running out of weight. lol.

Michael


Hi Michael,

Gotta love "stacking" all the machines.

You know with a little creativity, you can add those bands to some of the machine arms or weight stacks for some great results.

As far as the name, I will be Googling around to see. I could also cal it BIT (Brutal Intensity Training/Brutally Intense Training) which also fits.

Direct Compensation actually is pretty much common to ALL programs (people just don't know it)

How about the slogan:

Strength Happens (just kidding)

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