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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Hey Mike,

In the Mike Menzter Seminar/Supersquat thread you had this to say:

I wont do it myself because Im enjoying Doggcrapp training too much and If I can constantly get stronger training 3x per week thats what Im going to do. Also I feel nutrition is a larger factor then the training. (my views at this time)

I thought we might have a separate thread to explore this.

Are you alluding to the fact that the high-protein, heavy-eating part of the DC regimen is what allows one to hit it that hard and that frequently?

...Or am I just making up my own subtext from your words?

Please expand on what you said.

Regards,
Scott
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

simon-hecubus wrote:
Hey Mike,

In the Mike Menzter Seminar/Supersquat thread you had this to say:

I wont do it myself because Im enjoying Doggcrapp training too much and If I can constantly get stronger training 3x per week thats what Im going to do. Also I feel nutrition is a larger factor then the training. (my views at this time)

I thought we might have a separate thread to explore this.

Are you alluding to the fact that the high-protein, heavy-eating part of the DC regimen is what allows one to hit it that hard and that frequently?

...Or am I just making up my own subtext from your words?

Please expand on what you said.

Regards,
Scott


Hello Scott,

I would be happy to discuss this with you. Heavy eating is essential when wanting to but on any degree of size. Please keep in mind I'm 230lb so my caloric needs to gain muscle are going to be far greater then someone under 200lb.

As for protein I stand somewhere between Dr. Darden and Dante. For those who don't know Dr. Darden advocates a higher carb diet and Dante advocates large amounts of protein. So much so that he (Dante) has commented on spending huge amounts of money on protein supplements and I even think he runs his own protein company now. Part of that is to feed his own need. Also keep in mind both Dante and Dr. Darden have/had great physiques.

I feel the amount of protein your body can assimilate much like muscle belly length is a limiting factor on how easily you will be able to build your muscles. This is why I switched to Raw food eating. It allows me to eat and assimilate a greater deal of proteins and fats. A cooked steak can take several hours to digest.

When you eat it raw all the bacteria and enzymes are left intact and the steak basically digests itself within an hour. Also the amount of energy you save daily on not having to create enzymes to digest food goes to all other bodily functions, including repairing damaged tissue.

So this allows me to eat a greater number of calories daily, comfortably. I believe I get more out of the food this way and it does not make me feel sluggish.

It is this eating that allows me to recover and gain strength from 3x per week doggcrapp training with no trouble so far. There is of course limits to this. I don't think I could train 5x per week unless I just decided to train one bodypart per day. However if you could recover from training 5x per week and keep getting stronger each workout, why would you limit yourself to less? Assuming maximum rate of progress is the goal.

Assimilating more protein is the main function of steroids. What I do does not appear to be quite that powerful but so far it is second only to the gear. My 56 year old father for the last 10 years was 177 pounds on average. He would gain a little more or little less depending if he was training or not. For awhile he was doing benches in the basement. Then a couple years later he spent months doing typical volume at the gym.

Then I trained him for a couple months doing HIT when I had my basement gym. He would gain strength whenever he came back but never exceeding his personal best in his 30's and never going over 180lbs. Lack progress meant he would quit.

I am happy to say he is now a fit 194lb. Trains 2x a week on a upper and lower body split. I don't consider the exercises he does to be special and although he trains harder then most you see at a commercial gym I normally take him at least 2-3 reps short of what I use to during his Pure HIT Days. (Failure at his age leads to too much exhaustion.)

What is the difference. He eats Raw Milk, Raw Cream, and raw eggs everyday from grass fed healthy cows. If he can switch to meat he will hit 200lb, but that is the tuff sell for people.

Soon my 55 year old mother will be deadlifting 135 for 10 reps aswell. Same diet but overall less calories then my Dad.

Everyone is different but from my experience so far the diet is more important then the training.

Michael
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Waynes

Switzerland

Michael Petrella wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
Hey Mike,

In the Mike Menzter Seminar/Supersquat thread you had this to say:

I wont do it myself because Im enjoying Doggcrapp training too much and If I can constantly get stronger training 3x per week thats what Im going to do. Also I feel nutrition is a larger factor then the training. (my views at this time)

I thought we might have a separate thread to explore this.

Are you alluding to the fact that the high-protein, heavy-eating part of the DC regimen is what allows one to hit it that hard and that frequently?

...Or am I just making up my own subtext from your words?

Please expand on what you said.

Regards,
Scott

Hello Scott,

I would be happy to discuss this with you. Heavy eating is essential when wanting to but on any degree of size. Please keep in mind I'm 230lb so my caloric needs to gain muscle are going to be far greater then someone under 200lb.

As for protein I stand somewhere between Dr. Darden and Dante. For those who don't know Dr. Darden advocates a higher carb diet and Dante advocates large amounts of protein. So much so that he (Dante) has commented on spending huge amounts of money on protein supplements and I even think he runs his own protein company now. Part of that is to feed his own need. Also keep in mind both Dante and Dr. Darden have/had great physiques.


Ellington states in his book; The Nautilus Nutrition Book. That he built his 210 consuming 300 grams of protein per day. And at some point after he entered graduate school at Florida State in 1968. He for two months kept records of his dietary intake, and his protein was less that a 100 some days and more then 380 some days.

Michael Petrella wrote:
I feel the amount of protein your body can assimilate much like muscle belly length is a limiting factor on how easily you will be able to build your muscles. This is why I switched to Raw food eating. It allows me to eat and assimilate a greater deal of proteins and fats. A cooked steak can take several hours to digest.

When you eat it raw all the bacteria and enzymes are left intact and the steak basically digests itself within an hour. Also the amount of energy you save daily on not having to create enzymes to digest food goes to all other bodily functions, including repairing damaged tissue.

So this allows me to eat a greater number of calories daily, comfortably. I believe I get more out of the food this way and it does not make me feel sluggish.

It is this eating that allows me to recover and gain strength from 3x per week doggcrapp training with no trouble so far. There is of course limits to this. I don't think I could train 5x per week unless I just decided to train one bodypart per day. However if you could recover from training 5x per week and keep getting stronger each workout, why would you limit yourself to less? Assuming maximum rate of progress is the goal.

Assimilating more protein is the main function of steroids. What I do does not appear to be quite that powerful but so far it is second only to the gear. My 56 year old father for the last 10 years was 177 pounds on average. He would gain a little more or little less depending if he was training or not. For awhile he was doing benches in the basement. Then a couple years later he spent months doing typical volume at the gym.

Then I trained him for a couple months doing HIT when I had my basement gym. He would gain strength whenever he came back but never exceeding his personal best in his 30's and never going over 180lbs. Lack progress meant he would quit.

I am happy to say he is now a fit 194lb. Trains 2x a week on a upper and lower body split. I don't consider the exercises he does to be special and although he trains harder then most you see at a commercial gym I normally take him at least 2-3 reps short of what I use to during his Pure HIT Days. (Failure at his age leads to too much exhaustion.)

What is the difference. He eats Raw Milk, Raw Cream, and raw eggs everyday from grass fed healthy cows. If he can switch to meat he will hit 200lb, but that is the tuff sell for people.

Soon my 55 year old mother will be deadlifting 135 for 10 reps aswell. Same diet but overall less calories then my Dad.

Everyone is different but from my experience so far the diet is more important then the training.

Michael


How many calories per pound of bodyweight a day do you eat Mike ???

Wayne
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Hello Wayne,

A couple years ago I did a diet journal and broke everything down but now I just eat by feel. I have been training and preparing my meals for sometime now and Im pretty good at knowing what I need.

If I start losing my definition I just eat a little bit less at meals. If I feel Im getting smaller and don't have that power at the gym I eat a little more. If Im looking flat I'll have a carb rich meal or 2. If Im retaining too much water I'll cut back on the milk. etc.

There are some things that are fairly constant in my diet now.

1lb raw grass fed organic beef
48oz raw milk
6 raw eggs (free range soy free)
3/4 pint of raw cream.

Michael
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Waynes

Switzerland

Michael Petrella wrote:
Hello Wayne,

A couple years ago I did a diet journal and broke everything down but now I just eat by feel. I have been training and preparing my meals for sometime now and Im pretty good at knowing what I need.

If I start losing my definition I just eat a little bit less at meals. If I feel Im getting smaller and don't have that power at the gym I eat a little more. If Im looking flat I'll have a carb rich meal or 2. If Im retaining too much water I'll cut back on the milk. etc.

There are some things that are fairly constant in my diet now.

1lb raw grass fed organic beef
48oz raw milk
6 raw eggs (free range soy free)
3/4 pint of raw cream.

Michael


Thx Mike,

Just a quite one, as you know I am going out.

I have to eat about at least 23 calories per pound of bodyweight, and have to eat this amount every day.

Wayne
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Dave Price

New Jersey, USA

No that Im judging what your eating; it sounds like it is working wonders for you. However I always thought eating raw foods such as meat can give you food poisoning, I could be wrong..

Dave Price
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

I know this was discussed in another thread, but where do we have to go to get raw milk, eggs, and cream?

How do you eat the cream? Is it like a custard or something?

Scott
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Dave Price wrote:
No that Im judging what your eating; it sounds like it is working wonders for you. However I always thought eating raw foods such as meat can give you food poisoning, I could be wrong..

Dave Price


Hello Dave,

Eating raw meat from a sick or diseased or poorly handled animal can make you very sick. This is the norm these days with the way these giant farms work. What I buy comes from Organic grass fed cows who life lives better then some humans. The bacteria I ingest from this meat is extremely beneficial.

Last time I was food poisened it was from a cooked burger on a day I had not eaten raw meat. In fact I have had raw beef, chicken or fish everyday for the last year and have recieved no ailment from it.

I feel this is a very powerful way to eat in terms of health and building muscular size but make sure you are getting the meat from a very good source.

Michael
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Any rural area should have several farmers selling free range eggs. No soy in the feed is tricky. Also farmers markets are a great place to go.

Sadly raw milk and raw cream are illegal in many parts of the US and Canada. The government makes billions on taxing poisen. (alcohol) but legally I can't drink raw milk. Give me a break. If anything should be illegal its brainwashing millions into believe pasturized milk is good for the body.

I assure you its degenerate. And even If Im wrong, it should be my choice. So sadly you will have to find a farmer willing to help you.

As for the cream, I mix it with raw eggs, raw cinnammen(spelling?) and raw honey. Taste's fantastic.

Michael
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