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Paul Marsland

Gerry how did you measure this 20lb gain? Did you take measurements and body fat percentage?

Based on your recent photos (Dec 12/08) I don't see any real difference in size you are to put it bluntly, fatter...gaining fat is not an indication of progress...and you want me to be really harsh you have little or no muscular development to speak of, you don't even look like you train. This may appear somewhat cruel, but I'd rather be honest with you than let you delude yourself any longer..

Why do you feel the need to "bulk" why not simply work on adding muscle and stay fairly lean in the process??? Is this an attempt to make you "appear" bigger in clothes?

You've done well to lose the weight from your previously untrained state and you are to be applauded for that, but in terms of your training and its effectivness I think you should reconsider your direction.

Paul.
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gerry-hitman

Paul Marsland wrote:
Gerry how did you measure this 20lb gain? Did you take measurements and body fat percentage?

Based on your recent photos (Dec 12/08) I don't see any real difference in size you are to put it bluntly, fatter...gaining fat is not an indication of progress...and you want me to be really harsh you have little or no muscular development to speak of, you don't even look like you train. This may appear somewhat cruel, but I'd rather be honest with you than let you delude yourself any longer..

Why do you feel the need to "bulk" why not simply work on adding muscle and stay fairly lean in the process??? Is this an attempt to make you "appear" bigger in clothes?

You've done well to lose the weight from your previously untrained state and you are to be applauded for that, but in terms of your training and its effectivness I think you should reconsider your direction.

Paul.


How long have you been training Paul?
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gerry-hitman

Everyone,
Take a look at Paul's and my avatar photos both of the back.

Now look closely; Paul has been training for many years, and when the photo of my back was taken was about 24 months from the start of my training, and all the time on a fat cutting diet.

Ask yourself, Pauls many years of training versus my very short time should have his back/bicepts, shoulders, MUCH more developed and larger than might right?

BUT HIS IS NOT. In fact seriously I like mine better.

Paul you are the deluded one. And just like the other classic HIT haters you are blind AND stupid!
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gerry-hitman

Paul Marsland wrote:

Why do you feel the need to "bulk" why not simply work on adding muscle and stay fairly lean in the process???

Paul.


For a guy who claims to know so much seems weird that you would ask such a question. I am staying fairly lean on my "bulk". OK Paul since you do not know I will explain it to you.

A "bulk" cycle is a period of time wherein someone who desires to add muscle mass. This is done by eating a calorie level well above base. The purpose for this is to max muscle gains during the bulk cycle by insuring the body has enough calories to add new mass.

During the bulk cycle some fat will be added with the muscle; the key is to eat an amount that gives max muscle gains while adding the least amount of fat. When the bulk cycle is finished, a cutting cycle can then begin which involves a eating less calories than base.
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sgb2112

I have done multiple bulking & cutting phases in the past..I am talking of adding 20-30lbs.

I consider it the biggest mistake I ever made training wise. The end result was having to lose all the fat(agony for me) and LBM not really improving.

Bad idea for the drug free lifter in general, especially older ones.
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Paul Marsland

gerry-hitman wrote:
Everyone,
Take a look at Paul's and my avatar photos both of the back.

Now look closely; Paul has been training for many years, and when the photo of my back was taken was about 24 months from the start of my training, and all the time on a fat cutting diet.

Ask yourself, Pauls many years of training versus my very short time should have his back/bicepts, shoulders, MUCH more developed and larger than might right?

BUT HIS IS NOT. In fact seriously I like mine better.

Paul you are the deluded one. And just like the other classic HIT haters you are blind AND stupid!


LMAO.....that's the funniest thing I've read for a very long time....whatever mirror it is you have Gerry let me know were you got it from cos I'm gonna buy one as I think I'll look like Dorian Yates in it, if you are anything to go buy...
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markh

sgb2112 wrote:
I have done multiple bulking & cutting phases in the past..I am talking of adding 20-30lbs.

I consider it the biggest mistake I ever made training wise. The end result was having to lose all the fat(agony for me) and LBM not really improving.

Bad idea for the drug free lifter in general, especially older ones.


i agree 100%. Unless your bodyfat is extremely low to begin with then you are in probability consuming enough calories to allow muscle growth (if stimulated) to take place. In my experience i`ve found when i gained a lot of weight it was for the most part fat and water with only a little muscle (which i ended up losing after dieting down).Obviously we all have different goals but if it`s the bodybuilding look then i would recommend staying fairly lean (abs clearly visable)throughout the year.

Mark H
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Mr. Strong

What does your training look like?

I would suggest you increase your frequency up to 3 times a week if you have not already.

Try to learn how to pose, makes viewing photos a lot easier, and will also show off your body better.
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Although I commend you on your transformation Gerry, It is nothing short of life altering and fantastic, your development is far behind Paul at this point.

Brian Johnston use to have some pictures on his website. Paul is a BIG dude.

Michael
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Paul Marsland

Gerry I don't wish to hijack your thread but feel I must respond to clarify a few things..

Here is a pic of me from a few years ago post workout at Fred Fornicola's place in Asbury New Jersey..

Fred on the far right is about 5ft 8 and 180lbs, my friend Mark is in the middle is about 5ft 4 and about 150lbs..I'm approx 6ft and at that time about 230lbs..

As you can see there is a significant difference in size...
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gerry-hitman

Paul Marsland wrote:
Gerry I don't wish to hijack your thread



Yes you do.

The Comparison I was clearly talking about was our avatars. Showing photos of how much taller you look than other guys is illrevelent.

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gerry-hitman

markh wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
I have done multiple bulking & cutting phases in the past..I am talking of adding 20-30lbs.

I consider it the biggest mistake I ever made training wise. The end result was having to lose all the fat(agony for me) and LBM not really improving.

Bad idea for the drug free lifter in general, especially older ones.

i agree 100%. Unless your bodyfat is extremely low to begin with then you are in probability consuming enough calories to allow muscle growth (if stimulated) to take place. In my experience i`ve found when i gained a lot of weight it was for the most part fat and water with only a little muscle (which i ended up losing after dieting down).

Obviously we all have different goals but if it`s the bodybuilding look then i would recommend staying fairly lean (abs clearly visable)throughout the year.

Mark H


I see where your coming from Mark, but im going to give this a go through see how it turns out. I do believe my metobolism was way too slow from dieting down the first time as the first month with the higher calories I gained most of the fat from the last 4 months, in fact my weight gaining has slowed recently, need to increase calories even more.

Losing fat is not a difficult thing for me to do now, in fact I find this eating alot more difficult than being on a diet.
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gerry-hitman

Michael Petrella wrote:
Although I commend you on your transformation Gerry, It is nothing short of life altering and fantastic, your development is far behind Paul at this point.

Brian Johnston use to have some pictures on his website. Paul is a BIG dude.

Michael


Thanks Michael,
Yeah he is "big" as shown in the photo him standing beside shorter people, yet looking at his back shot not a great deal of width or muscle development arms are small shoulders average; again I stand by my statement when we compare avatars (same exact pose) I see little diffrence between us.

In fact if I were to lift my elbows higher like his I would have got a better flex in the biceps and traps better.

He has been training MANY more years than me, and started much younger etc.

give me 2 more years and I will gladly compare more photos with him.

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Micheal, some here have said having a bulk cycle is not the way to go, it seems from other posts, you believe it is, please give me your take on having a "bulk cycle" as a way of building muscle mass.
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gerry-hitman

Mr. Strong wrote:
What does your training look like?

I would suggest you increase your frequency up to 3 times a week if you have not already.

Try to learn how to pose, makes viewing photos a lot easier, and will also show off your body better.


There is no way I could train 3 times a week with the intensity I use, I mean I take it to the point of "near death". I have been doing a full body once every 7 days but am planning to split it into 2 parts and complete it every 7-10 days.

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Paul Marsland

Me back double biceps...

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Paul Marsland

And you....
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gerry-hitman

Paul Marsland wrote:
And you....


This has not helped you!

Honestly my lower back is better developed than yours; if I would have lifted my elbows up and flexed the biceps more...man I tell you its close...

And you have many YEARS more training than I have; like I said, I will leave you in the dust in 2 years, training classic HIT all the way.

Im sorry you suffer from being High Intensity sensitive.
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Paul Marsland

gerry-hitman wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
And you....

This has not helped you!

Honestly my lower back is better developed than yours; if I would have lifted my elbows up and flexed the biceps more...man I tell you its close...

And you have many YEARS more training than I have; like I said, I will leave you in the dust in 2 years, training classic HIT all the way.

Im sorry you suffer from being High Intensity sensitive.


You know what, you're right...good luck in the Mr Olympia next year...I hear Dexter Jackson is looking on how to improve maybe you could give him some advice especially on bringing up his lower back...

By the way are you typing these responses or is your guide dog for the blind helping you???
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Paul Marsland

Yep, based on this i think I'll stop training all together.....

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spud

The photos are completely different i.e. not standardized in anyway so it's hardly a fair comparison. One is black and white, the other is color, one is close to the camera, the other is further away. Neither poses are particularly good. etc etc. The only way you'd really settle this is meeting up and having a side by side comparison shot done together.

Paul's photo with his friends wasn't just about height, he also mentioned roughly how much they all weigh as well. 150, 180 and 230.

Anyway, can someone explain to me what a "bulk" is?

Can someone also explain to me what "adding muscle whilst staying lean" would involve?

I understand the two processes are different but I would like to get idea of just how they are different.

I also have a feeling that when different people use the term "bulk" they mean different things.
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gerry-hitman

Paul you needed a shoulder to cry on, and express your hurt feelings, so you head to bb.com the most anti-hit site on the net

forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=258931101&postcount=444

This comment is classic "I see there are a few good guys on here from there too...."

The "good guys" include nat2 and other HIT haters. How sad.
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Waynes

Switzerland

gerry-hitman wrote:
Paul Marsland wrote:
And you....

This has not helped you!

Honestly my lower back is better developed than yours; if I would have lifted my elbows up and flexed the biceps more...man I tell you its close...

And you have many YEARS more training than I have; like I said, I will leave you in the dust in 2 years, training classic HIT all the way.

Im sorry you suffer from being High Intensity sensitive.


Gerry its not close at all, Paul is well developed all over, you at this moment in time are not, and hes 50 pounds heaver then you and it shows.

You have done a great job at losing weight from 21/04/2001 to this year, but now you need to add some more muscle.

On you bulking cycle, I will say more tomorrow, as I have/am doing this, and its still working very well, but you need to bulk up the extra calories very slowly, and monitor you BF and weight every week.

Gerry why not stop insulting people, as I imagine if you asked Paul, he would actually like to help you gain, and get a little closer to your dreams. As he like me, did many things wrong in the past, but then we did not have the internet to help us, we had muscle mags, and 70% in them were not much good.

Wayne
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Waynes

Switzerland

Paul, see if you can Photoshop the photos the same size and next to each other, the comparison should be far more evident.

Wayne
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gerry-hitman

Paul lets see a front shot of you. You do have one don't you?
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