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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

I suggest Dr. Darden review the possibility of giving up the forum type of site. Having one instead to publish his articles and those by others. He can and should allow Questions to be sent to him, where he can choose a few to answer at least once a month or more often. He can do it here by dropping forum or at a new site. There are often better discussions that occur on other sites, sadly. Dr. Darden is why I came here, for no one else.

For many months, the value of this forum as a place to learn has disappeared. It has been controlled by non-HIT elements. What does Someone interested in HIT learn from this forum section - Few, if any, positive things about HIT.
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TOM C

I would have to disagreed with you. I have learned a great deal from the present form. While some threads do go off into never-never land, I just ignore these. The SEARCH option is extremely valuable for researching a specific subject more thoroughly. The various articles are, also, full of excellent knowledge and insight.

There are a few people who are rather aggravating and tend to invade and disrupt alot of threads, which probably stops some people from posting good ideas and valuable training knowledge & experience.

It would be nice if someone starting a new post had the option to request that certain people not post to their thread or an option to block those people from posting to their thread. If those people want to comment they could start their own post and anyone interested could go to that thread.

Regards - Tom C
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gerry-hitman

rtestes wrote:
I suggest Dr. Darden review the possibility of giving up the forum type of site. Having one instead to publish his articles and those by others. He can and should allow Questions to be sent to him, where he can choose a few to answer at least once a month or more often. He can do it here by dropping forum or at a new site. There are often better discussions that occur on other sites, sadly. Dr. Darden is why I came here, for no one else.

For many months, the value of this forum as a place to learn has disappeared. It has been controlled by non-HIT elements. What does Someone interested in HIT learn from this forum section - Few, if any, positive things about HIT.


If he shuts the forum down the Non-HIT elements accomplish what they set out to do. rather what needs to be done is use the ban button, simply ban those who are clearly not here to learn about and discuss HIT, but rather to insult it or attract flames. Ban them and delete their posts; this is what all other boards do to those who come to create trouble against the purpose of the board.

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physcult

rtestes wrote:
I suggest Dr. Darden review the possibility of giving up the forum type of site. Having one instead to publish his articles and those by others. He can and should allow Questions to be sent to him, where he can choose a few to answer at least once a month or more often. He can do it here by dropping forum or at a new site. There are often better discussions that occur on other sites, sadly. Dr. Darden is why I came here, for no one else.

For many months, the value of this forum as a place to learn has disappeared. It has been controlled by non-HIT elements. What does Someone interested in HIT learn from this forum section - Few, if any, positive things about HIT.


You cant really learn anything thats new if you immediately exclude any idea thats new as being non-HIT. Eg NTF workouts.
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theHITman

I would agree in this case, although I don't believe Dr Darden has any control over the matter as the forum apprears to be a clone of and run by T-Nation.

I think the ClassicX format was better, and covered this well.

As far as being a place to learn about Dr Darden's HIT, this forum has become next to useless. There are plenty of articles and case studies, but the current forum style format coupled with the poor moderation has done nothing more than allow the site to degenerate into a very poor quality product associated with Dr Darden's name. After reading Dr Darden's publications for around 15 years, and collecting as many as I can that go back 30 odd, I find it a shame that Dr Darden's name is allowed to be dragged into disrepute by the poor design and moderation of this website.

ClassicX on the other hand was excellent, and I believe it should definitely be 'revised - revisited - rebuilt'.
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chasbari

Ohio, USA

Dialogue always has the potential to be good...eventually. I have just begun to hang around here and can easily sort the good from the bad so I would hate to see it disappear. You have to put up with idiocy anywhere you go.

Arthur spent a lifetime surrounded by a sea of fools with only a handful of truly knowledgeable people to help spread the message (that would be the majority of Nautilus employees from back in the day.)

The ideas and ideals are still there waiting to be discovered and rediscovered. If this goes away there is just one less place to help it happen.

When a community becomes so insular that they cut themselves off from the rest of the world there is very little chance that what they have to offer will make it out of the community. It is a risk worth taking even amongst the potential for idiocy.
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gerry-hitman

physcult wrote:
rtestes wrote:
I suggest Dr. Darden review the possibility of giving up the forum type of site. Having one instead to publish his articles and those by others.

He can and should allow Questions to be sent to him, where he can choose a few to answer at least once a month or more often. He can do it here by dropping forum or at a new site. There are often better discussions that occur on other sites, sadly. Dr. Darden is why I came here, for no one else.

For many months, the value of this forum as a place to learn has disappeared. It has been controlled by non-HIT elements. What does Someone interested in HIT learn from this forum section - Few, if any, positive things about HIT.


You cant really learn anything thats new if you immediately exclude any idea thats new as being non-HIT. Eg NTF workouts.


What is "new" about training NTF? Are there not enough sites on-line to discuss or learn about NTF training?
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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

gerry-hitman wrote:
If he shuts the forum down the Non-HIT elements accomplish what they set out to do. rather what needs to be done is use the ban button, simply ban those who are clearly not here to learn about and discuss HIT, but rather to insult it or attract flames. Ban them and delete their posts; this is what all other boards do to those who come to create trouble against the purpose of the board.

If only they would ban them. but they won't. T-Nation might agree to drop forum. I am afraid that Dr. Darden wouldn't agree. It is up to him.

I am for debate but that stopped long ago. The forum has been taken away from Dr. Darden's ideas. Some day maybe, his old Texas background will jump in and say no more.


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Waynes

Switzerland

rtestes wrote:
gerry-hitman wrote:
If he shuts the forum down the Non-HIT elements accomplish what they set out to do. rather what needs to be done is use the ban button, simply ban those who are clearly not here to learn about and discuss HIT, but rather to insult it or attract flames. Ban them and delete their posts; this is what all other boards do to those who come to create trouble against the purpose of the board.

If only they would ban them. but they won't. T-Nation might agree to drop forum. I am afraid that Dr. Darden wouldn't agree. It is up to him.

I am for debate but that stopped long ago. The forum has been taken away from Dr. Darden's ideas. Some day maybe, his old Texas background will jump in and say no more.


I suppose I am going to be a bit sarcastic here, so hold on tight I did warn you, but no real harm is meant.

So are you the type of person that like history, but you only want to talk about the Mongol Empire and Genghis Khan, from about 1200, and if anyone mentions the Georgians, Samurais of Japan, the Roman Empire or the Great War, you do not want anything do with them, or you do not want to learn anything about any other part of history ???

I mean I want the most efficient way for strength and size, and if it takes a Samurai sword from the Samurais of Japan or a Spitfire from the Great War, I will use it.

So why would you just want to use one training program, if its working great then yes, but then you would know all about it, but there are a lot of people that have been posting here for several years, they must surely know all there is to know about HIT ???

If not, just look at all the great articles Ellingtons has on this site ??? Just look at all the books Ellington has written.

I think this site is great, because we talk about many things, then people disagree and then the learning curve starts, without out the people that appose HIT, or some parts of HIT, there might not be a site, and it would be so dull, no one would be debating as all would be agreeing, and when all agree, Jack is a very dull boy.

Best way to learn HIT is from Ellingtons books, all is in there and more.

Ok please ask me what you would like to learn about HIT ??? I did it for over 15 years, so should be able to tell you, what part is troubling you ??? And in the last 10 years you have been doing HIT, be honest with yourself, have you gained all you wanted ??? Or are you now addicted to HIT, and become as they call it a HIT Jedi, as I was one, as HIT and what happens to you when you start to get brainwash, is quite frightening looking back at myself, and all the characters around here.

Wayne
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physcult

gerry-hitman wrote:
physcult wrote:
rtestes wrote:
I suggest Dr. Darden review the possibility of giving up the forum type of site. Having one instead to publish his articles and those by others.

He can and should allow Questions to be sent to him, where he can choose a few to answer at least once a month or more often. He can do it here by dropping forum or at a new site. There are often better discussions that occur on other sites, sadly. Dr. Darden is why I came here, for no one else.

For many months, the value of this forum as a place to learn has disappeared. It has been controlled by non-HIT elements. What does Someone interested in HIT learn from this forum section - Few, if any, positive things about HIT.


You cant really learn anything thats new if you immediately exclude any idea thats new as being non-HIT. Eg NTF workouts.

What is "new" about training NTF? Are there not enough sites on-line to discuss or learn about NTF training?


Ask Dr Darden, its his idea not mine. Perhaps new evidence has come to light since AJ designed his HIT style workouts in the 70's/80's that suggest NTF workouts may be worthwhile.
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humrepair

Florida, USA

This is an interesting suggestion but one I'm not in favor of.I have learned things and been exposed to new information sources from the people on this site.I understand that there are many knowledgeable people who won't post on this site for various reasons.That is this forum's loss.Even though they don't post, I would guess that some of these non posters still look at this site.

Personally, I just skim past the posts of those people I don't respect.There are others that I don't necessarily agree with but they bring up points that are worth considering.
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with other H.I.T. sites with the credibility of Dr. Darden so this site has value for me.It would be a shame if it went by the wayside.
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TOM C

I, also, think that the form is as good as the members make it. If a member is unhappy with the form content, then he should start a post(s)
to take the form in another direction. I think a lot of experience and knowledge gets lost over the years and is replaced by dogma. I'm sure many members have valuable experience they have not yet posted which would increase the value of this form.
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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

Waynes wrote:
I suppose I am going to be a bit sarcastic here, so hold on tight I did warn you, but no real harm is meant.

So are you the type of person that like history, but you only want to talk about the Mongol Empire and Genghis Khan, from about 1200, and if anyone mentions the Georgians, Samurais of Japan, the Roman Empire or the Great War, you do not want anything do with them, or you do not want to learn anything about any other part of history ???

I mean I want the most efficient way for strength and size, and if it takes a Samurai sword from the Samurais of Japan or a Spitfire from the Great War, I will use it.

So why would you just want to use one training program, if its working great then yes, but then you would know all about it, but there are a lot of people that have been posting here for several years, they must surely know all there is to know about HIT ???

If not, just look at all the great articles Ellingtons has on this site ??? Just look at all the books Ellington has written.

I think this site is great, because we talk about many things, then people disagree and then the learning curve starts, without out the people that appose HIT, or some parts of HIT, there might not be a site, and it would be so dull, no one would be debating as all would be agreeing, and when all agree, Jack is a very dull boy.

Best way to learn HIT is from Ellingtons books, all is in there and more.

Ok please ask me what you would like to learn about HIT ??? I did it for over 15 years, so should be able to tell you, what part is troubling you ??? And in the last 10 years you have been doing HIT, be honest with yourself, have you gained all you wanted ??? Or are you now addicted to HIT, and become as they call it a HIT Jedi, as I was one, as HIT and what happens to you when you start to get brainwash, is quite frightening looking back at myself, and all the characters around here.

Wayne


Wayne, You are one of those people who have ruined this site. First,don't ever suggest anything to me. I have lifted for over 50 years. I have about 23 of the doctor's books. I have done nothing but HIT since 1983. I read Jones' first articles in Iron Man and Strength and Health.


Now I will be blunt. I have read you nearly all the posts you have written here and even remember some of your posts 15 years ago off the web on what I think was called a newslists or something, I have never heard you contribute anything worthwhile. The dribble you deposit in everyone of your post is 97% wrong and the other 3% isn't worth pasting on.

I do not understand why you stay here, why not leave and find a group you can contribute to. One thing I will say you aren't belligerent like some of the others here to put down HIT.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

I think there is alot to be learned from this forum if you are able to wade through the crap regardless if there are those who have differing opinions on HIT or whatever. The crap is when the name calling and putdowns start and it doesn't take long in a post for that to happen.

It does also become very annoying when a interesting topic goes astray into some other non related and sometimes stupid area and thus it ceases to be a usefull discussion.
A good healthy discussion on HIT as compared to the other systems out there in my opinion is very usefull if it can be kept civil and to the origional point.

I'm sure were Dr. Darden to read some of these posts or their responces he would be either laughing out loud or pulling his hair out in disgust.

Scott
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Nick1971

Texas, USA

I would personally recommend only one person to be banned, Random and off the wall ticks off literally everyone. There's no middle ground, and he's clearly hyper obsessive. At least with the pro-HIT and anti-HIT crowds there is coherency, if disagreement.

Personally, I think it's a bad idea to turn this into just a site where Darden posts articles. I think the forums here provide value, despite the flamewars. But I do think moderation should be stronger.
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southbeach

Why give up the forum?

Among other things, it serves as a DIRECT link to Dr Darden's 'audience' and, by observing the discussions and arguments that take place here, a source of information as to how many are 'getting it', how many aren't and what are the possible issues for those that don't understand HIT.

Keep the forum, imo.
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Waynes

Switzerland

rtestes wrote:
Waynes wrote:
I suppose I am going to be a bit sarcastic here, so hold on tight I did warn you, but no real harm is meant.

So are you the type of person that like history, but you only want to talk about the Mongol Empire and Genghis Khan, from about 1200, and if anyone mentions the Georgians, Samurais of Japan, the Roman Empire or the Great War, you do not want anything do with them, or you do not want to learn anything about any other part of history ???

I mean I want the most efficient way for strength and size, and if it takes a Samurai sword from the Samurais of Japan or a Spitfire from the Great War, I will use it.

So why would you just want to use one training program, if its working great then yes, but then you would know all about it, but there are a lot of people that have been posting here for several years, they must surely know all there is to know about HIT ???

If not, just look at all the great articles Ellingtons has on this site ??? Just look at all the books Ellington has written.

I think this site is great, because we talk about many things, then people disagree and then the learning curve starts, without out the people that appose HIT, or some parts of HIT, there might not be a site, and it would be so dull, no one would be debating as all would be agreeing, and when all agree, Jack is a very dull boy.

Best way to learn HIT is from Ellingtons books, all is in there and more.

Ok please ask me what you would like to learn about HIT ??? I did it for over 15 years, so should be able to tell you, what part is troubling you ??? And in the last 10 years you have been doing HIT, be honest with yourself, have you gained all you wanted ??? Or are you now addicted to HIT, and become as they call it a HIT Jedi, as I was one, as HIT and what happens to you when you start to get brainwash, is quite frightening looking back at myself, and all the characters around here.

Wayne


Wayne, You are one of those people who have ruined this site.


If you think getting people training, and getting many debates going has ruined this site, then that is up to you. But not one bad word have I ever said to you or anyone here.

rtestes wrote:
First,don't ever suggest anything to me.


I think this is a free World, and any body has the right to make a suggestion to anyone, but if they take that suggestion its up to them. So if you do not like what I write, please either do not read it, or if you think anything I say, why not try and refute it, rather than just moaning ???

What do you not like on what I say ??? As if you are confident in your way of training, you should not worry of what I say, but be able to counter it.

rtestes wrote:
I have lifted for over 50 years. I have about 23 of the doctor's books. I have done nothing but HIT since 1983. I read Jones' first articles in Iron Man and Strength and Health.


I am 48 and have lifter for nearly 40 of those years, and started HIT about the same time as you, and have about the same number of Ellingtons books.

What makes you still training HIT, how much weight did you go up on for lifts, and how much did you gain ???

rtestes wrote:
Now I will be blunt. I have read you nearly all the posts you have written here and even remember some of your posts 15 years ago off the web on what I think was called a newslists or something, I have never heard you contribute anything worthwhile. The dribble you deposit in everyone of your post is 97% wrong and the other 3% isn't worth pasting on.


I never once wrote off the web.

But what will happen here, as with other people, you claim that my posts are dribble, but you will NOT be able to refute anything I have said on training, thus you will NOT be able to prove me wrong, this must mean that what you really do not like is being shown lots of the ways you think are wrong, yes I was a little like that when I got shown after 15 years or more I was wrong, but the difference with me is that I admitted I was wrong, and learnt all I could, as I want the most efficient way to train.

rtestes wrote:
I do not understand why you stay here, why not leave and find a group you can contribute to. One thing I will say you aren't belligerent like some of the others here to put down HIT.


I stay here to learn, as if all agree on a forum, nothing at all is learnt.

But I will apologise to you if I have offended you in any way, it was not my intent, why not just things out with me that you think I am wrong on.

Wayne
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NewYorker

New York, USA

I disagree. I feel I can learn as much from non-HIT views, as from HIT-views.

I think that some people here are consistently wrong and I also feel that some are a little "off", if you know what I mean. I am also quite certain that many feel the same about me. But they are certainly entitled to their opinions and I want to hear them. They might turn out to be right and I may learn something.

Having deep roots in the US, I have always believed that opinion should (almost) never be censored. Certainly not in the case of the comparatively trivial differences between HIT and non-HIT approaches to exercises. The best arguments can stand up to criticism.

Thanks Dr. Darden for the great forum. Please keep up the good work.
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