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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

Here's a link to an article by Bill Pearl, on Arthur Jones.

http://www.la84foundation.org/...04/IGH0804e.pdf
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SanDiego

Interesting article; thanks for posting that.
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

Yeah, I found it very interesting also.

I've always been jealous of Jones apparent ability to function at a high level with very little sleep. I'm just in awe of that.

Sounds like he was running OLE Bill into the ground, trying to keep the same schedule as Jones.

I place a very high value on being productive, but my sleep needs greatly interfere with being as productive as would like. I feel like hell on anything less than about 8 hours sleep.

Jones would have run me into the ground also.

And though I "get tickled" at some of the anecdotes of Jones "going off" on people, I know I would quickly tire of that, If I had been around him much.

I'm a laid back personality. and people as aggressive as Jones suck the vital life force right out of me.

Even if on a certain level I envy them.

For those of you who worked for Jones - was chronic sleep deprivation required to be in his employ?
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wolfpuppy

Ontario, CAN

Great read. It certainly paints a different picture of Jones than I'm used to hearing.

Ain't that the gawd damn truth.
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TBoneMitch

Quebec, CAN

For people interested in AJ's life, I cannot recommend his 'And God Laughs' autobiography enough.

It is available on http://www.arthurjonesexercise...


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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

Within the article, Pearl remembers...

Nautilus was based on the claim that free weights were
obsolete, injury-causing antiques.

While Jones sang the praises of his machines, not only did he continue to train people with SQUATS and CHINS, he also said this from the beginning to nearly the end of his writings. It is more accurate to state that Nautilus was advertised as being based on improving the benefits that free-weights had to offer, while removing some of the dangers that went along with having spotters and etc.
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TBoneMitch

Quebec, CAN

True.

Quoting AJ himself:

'Compared to anything that came before, the barbell was literally a miracle, helping produce results that were previously simply impossible.
But it does not mean that the barbell is perfect, or that it cannot be improved upon.'
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Yea, I don't think Jones ever said , at least in a rational moment, that the barbell was obsolete. He just felt his machines were a major improvement in some ways.

I was just reading Jones auto biography yesterday, And God laughs and some of it is very interesting reading and some I think I'd rather not know about. His life was an amazing journey that ended up with some amazing machines for us to play with.

==Scott S==
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Pearl is an asshole who envied Arthur to the extent that his hatred for Arthur is very obvious. He tried to smear Arthur right up to the end with his stupid book and his false claims.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

I've read this bullshit before but after re-reading the whole thing it pisses me off even more, Pearl is a bald faced liar.
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kayo

Bill Sekerak wrote:
I've read this bullshit before but after re-reading the whole thing it pisses me off even more, Pearl is a bald faced liar.


It's obvious you've had no dealings with Bill nor comprehension of his reputation in the industry. Approaching 80, his reputation remains sterling, a gentleman and man of his word. His accomplishments, including 4 times Mr Universe, speak for themselves.

It seems one of the differences between Pearl and Jones is simply that of emotional maturity - Bill is not known as a crackpot nor has he been shunned due to uncontrollable obsessive disorder expressed in emotional fireworks, insults, and other indications of a the deep seated feelings of personal inferiority haunting Mr Jones pathetic maladjustment and poor socialization.
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kayo

Bill Sekerak wrote:
Pearl is an asshole who envied Arthur to the extent that his hatred for Arthur is very obvious. He tried to smear Arthur right up to the end with his stupid book and his false claims.


Bill:
There are psychological states other than "hatred" that make more sense. Given Jones maladjusted psychological condition and poor socialization, he had a lifelong habit of alienating mature people with his childishness.

Ascribing 'hatred' to any comment shedding some light on people you have on a pedestal only confirms those idols are little tin gods.

This much is for sure: in the world of objective writing and historical analysis, Pearl's writings stand on their own. His forthcoming 2 vol history of strongmen, 1000 pages, will become a classic.

Jones' ephipany of thinly disguised envy and hatred mixed in his 'Pill Burl' was rejected by editors bearing the good taste eluding poor pathetic Arthur. Arthur made immense contributions, emotional maturity eluding him. That he seemed upset and despondant about the game toward the end of his life makes sense: his own childish behavior had painted himself into a corner, no sane person interested in his self-righteous rants, the whole episode sad yet exactly what he excelled in bringing down on himself.
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SanDiego

Bill Sekerak wrote:
Pearl is an asshole who envied Arthur to the extent that his hatred for Arthur is very obvious. He tried to smear Arthur right up to the end with his stupid book and his false claims.


Do you personally know Bill Pearl?
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

Kayo - Curious if you ever met Jones?

Of course in HIT circles, we tend to think of Arthur's antics (at least as we've heard them told) as being that of a genius who simply did not suffer fools gladly.

But at times I have to wonder if he was just an all-around a-hole a lot of the time.

Though even Bill Pearl in that article acknowledges a certain level of respect and even liking of Jones.

Here is an article by Clarence Bass, relating his run-in and almost employment with Jones.

http://www.cbass.com/...ArthurJones.htm

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Landau

Florida, USA

kayo wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Pearl is an asshole who envied Arthur to the extent that his hatred for Arthur is very obvious. He tried to smear Arthur right up to the end with his stupid book and his false claims.

Bill:
There are psychological states other than "hatred" that make more sense. Given Jones maladjusted psychological condition and poor socialization, he had a lifelong habit of alienating mature people with his childishness.

Ascribing 'hatred' to any comment shedding some light on people you have on a pedestal only confirms those idols are little tin gods.

This much is for sure: in the world of objective writing and historical analysis, Pearl's writings stand on their own. His forthcoming 2 vol history of strongmen, 1000 pages, will become a classic.

Jones' ephipany of thinly disguised envy and hatred mixed in his 'Pill Burl' was rejected by editors bearing the good taste eluding poor pathetic Arthur. Arthur made immense contributions, emotional maturity eluding him. That he seemed upset and despondant about the game toward the end of his life makes sense: his own childish behavior had painted himself into a corner, no sane person interested in his self-righteous rants, the whole episode sad yet exactly what he excelled in bringing down on himself.


Ken: Did you ever meet Jones and spend any time with him? But Childish, Emotionally Disturbed, Envy, Filled with Hatred, Pathetic, and Psychologically Maladjusted is hardly the Case. I can see why you write for Muscle Rags.
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

coachjeff wrote:
...Of course in HIT circles, we tend to think of Arthur's antics (at least as we've heard them told) as being that of a genius who simply did not suffer fools gladly...



That seems to be a popular excuse used by people to explain away childish social behavior. The problem with it is that no one person gets to decide who the fools are, and there will NEVER be unanimous agreement as to the identity of the fools. Others think they can re-write documented history simply because they had an occasion to be in the same room with someone, believing their few minutes / hours / days spent with the figure somehow erases all the lifelong behaviors that built the less than flattering reputation. Bombastic Blow-Hard or Visionary Diety? Both? Neither? Combo-Platter?
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Landau

Florida, USA

Larry T wrote:
coachjeff wrote:
...Of course in HIT circles, we tend to think of Arthur's antics (at least as we've heard them told) as being that of a genius who simply did not suffer fools gladly...



That seems to be a popular excuse used by people to explain away childish social behavior. The problem with it is that no one person gets to decide who the fools are, and there will NEVER be unanimous agreement as to the identity of the fools. Others think they can re-write documented history simply because they had an occasion to be in the same room with someone, believing their few minutes / hours / days spent with the figure somehow erases all the lifelong behaviors that built the less than flattering reputation. Bombastic Blow-Hard or Visionary Diety? Both? Neither? Combo-Platter?


Then you are on the WRONG SITE - You don't get it and you can't learn it out of a garage. What - Amateur Hour, Guessing? Were you at the Memorial? FI
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

Landau wrote:
Then you are on the WRONG SITE - You don't get it and you can't learn it out of a garage. What - Amateur Hour, Guessing? Were you at the Memorial? FI


You are hopelessly stuck in your rut, and I'm happy to leave you there. Your reply to my post serves no purpose except to prove my point. Given a choice between my garage or your dungeon, I'll chose my garage. Your bias concerning Arthur Jones makes it impossible for you to see the whole man.

When your face is in the upper left corner of this site, THEN you can tell me I'm on the wrong site. And since you love cryptic initials and acronyms so much, here mine to you - KMA.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Ok FAT MAN
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

Landau wrote:
Ok FAT MAN


No problem RUNT.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Conditioned and Muscular and You? Nothing
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kayo

coachjeff wrote:
Kayo - Curious if you ever met Jones?

Of course in HIT circles, we tend to think of Arthur's antics (at least as we've heard them told) as being that of a genius who simply did not suffer fools gladly.

But at times I have to wonder if he was just an all-around a-hole a lot of the time.

Though even Bill Pearl in that article acknowledges a certain level of respect and even liking of Jones.

Here is an article by Clarence Bass, relating his run-in and almost employment with Jones.

http://www.cbass.com/...ArthurJones.htm



In most anything I've pursued with passion I've tended to meet a wide range of people. Going to high school in the fifties/early sixties in a science honors program, our projects led us to spend time at both Berkeley and Stanford high energy physics deptartments, meeting Nobel laureates. So in context, the irongame has never been the limiting locus in my life, while my interests have resulted in meeting, even spending time with some pretty impressive people. Of those I've spent time with, the Dalai Lama remains the most memorable and outstanding.

I was never particularly interested in meeting Jones so never did. There's no question of his influence and genius; however, by that time I'd had enough life experience to recognize the idea that 'genius' somehow excuses aberrant behavior is merely a form of codependent behavior. Someone with Gardner's group at Harvard has demonstrated that high academic achieve and high IQ strongly NEGATIVELY correlate with emotional maturity - but that's among academics, folks who've spent their whole life in school, never had to develop street smarts.

I've met Pearl on and off since 1962 - a scant 47 year period. What amazes me to this day is when we speak on the phone he knows exactly who I am, bringing up questions about family and pets. Other than his own achievements, Bill has been an outstanding coach of physique athletes (since the late 50s) and world class athletes in other fields.

I'm frankly disinterested in getting involved taking sides in the 1971 Mr Universe results. Good sportsmanship implies we abide by the judge's final ruling and move on with life.

For my part, Jones and Pearl have both been contributors to my life. I'm grateful to them both.
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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

I think a lot depends on who dies first. If I depended on what I have read, anyone in the iron/fitness business are not without serious personality problems. Same with politics and Hollywood. I suppose there is a connection there.
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

Landau wrote:
Conditioned and Muscular and You? Nothing


I could do this all day, but I'd rather sit through a Jonas Brothers concert than bounce back and forth with you. You are an angry bitter old fool who communicates in cryptic symbols and broken sentences. When all else fails, you call me fat man? I'm 90 pounds lighter than I was a year and a half ago, and that was the best you could do?. At age 52 I think I'm doing ok, certainly meeting MY goals. You want free reign to express your opinion but want to censor mine? Eat shit, pal. Your lofty stature (no pun intended) in the HIT community doesn't earn you anything with me. I'm done with you on this.
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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
I've read this bullshit before but after re-reading the whole thing it pisses me off even more, Pearl is a bald faced liar.


Hi Bill,

I think your deifying of Jones is very evident, and Bill Pearl has no reason to lie. On top of that his descriptions of Jones pretty much fit my personal experiences and most I know or knew who were involved with AJ.

Jones' last statement to me was "I've killed 33 men, and I'll kill you too . . .CLICK". So Bill's depiction is not unusual of out of character. AJ learned early on that he could get much of what he wanted through aggressive intimidation, and he did so quite frequently.

While some worship that "cowboy" attitude it does not belong in civilized society. And those who DO find it 'endearing" have a warped sense of values and lack the ability to separate reason and primitive actions.

While Jones can be admired for his success in spite of his personality defects, to suggest that he didn't behave this way is incorrect.
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