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hungrywebworm

http://www.fitnessprat.no/...hread.php?t=332

Quite complimentary of Arthur, not so of Joe Weider. Interestingly, he claims Steeve Reeves used steroids.
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kayo

hungrywebworm wrote:
http://www.fitnessprat.no/...hread.php?t=332

Quite complimentary of Arthur, not so of Joe Weider. Interestingly, he claims Steeve Reeves used steroids.


Olivia was a great bodybuilder, especially when inflated artifically with drugs.

Keep in mind, however, he's never ever been upheld as a thinker. What he has to say about Reeves is of utterly no importance - while Olivia may be good at repeating pointless gossip, he lacks the rudimentary skills to do simple research on the possible validity of gossip.

Gotta give grading to your sources or you'll believe anything.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

hungrywebworm wrote:
http://www.fitnessprat.no/...hread.php?t=332

Quite complimentary of Arthur, not so of Joe Weider. Interestingly, he claims Steeve Reeves used steroids.


I have read that WWII German researchers developed steroids for their troops. I think it is quit possible
that BB were using them much earlier than many people think. I even read that John Grimek was using them.

I don't know that any of that is true and until some one of that era speaks up we may never know if they were used.

As far as Reeves and Grimek are concerned I personally find it hard to accept.
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Thanks for posting this. Nice interview.
Those pictures Jones took of Olivia back in 72 are still some of the greatest physique shots taken, IMHO.

Michael
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kayo

Bill Sekerak wrote:
hungrywebworm wrote:
http://www.fitnessprat.no/...hread.php?t=332

Quite complimentary of Arthur, not so of Joe Weider. Interestingly, he claims Steeve Reeves used steroids.

I have read that WWII German researchers developed steroids for their troops. I think it is quit possible
that BB were using them much earlier than many people think. I even read that John Grimek was using them.

I don't know that any of that is true and until some one of that era speaks up we may never know if they were used.

As far as Reeves and Grimek are concerned I personally find it hard to accept.


You can go back further:the Nobel prize was awarded for laboratory synthesis of testosterone in the late 30s.

Randy Roach's book Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors goes into far greater depth with much more information than seems available to you. You might enjoy that incredible book. Nevertheless, Randy concludes that the best we can say is opportunities existed.

John Fair's book Muscletown USA includes correspondance between Grimek and Zeigler making it quite clear that The Glow did experiment with liquid test in the early 50s, long before dianobol existed and reported zero results from it. In any event, test was not available to Grimek during his active period as the leading bodybuilder in the world.

Idle speculation about Reeves remains pointless since it cannot be proved. Those who knew Reeves will tell you the idea is absurd - he was an advocate of everything natural. Besides, based on standards of the early 60s first steroid use, Reeves did not measure up in size/development to what the first generation of steroid inflated blimps looked like.

All food for thought for those who didn't have the educational advantage of first semester graduate school "research methods and analysis".
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backtrack

Reeves still took b-12 shots I would hardly call that natural.

You might say - Its only a vitamin, but in the grand scheme of time; man would have never had access to hyperdermic needles and the like. Added to this the fact that b-12 can be eaten 'naturally.'


Dan
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rtestes

Mississippi, USA

kayo wrote:
All food for thought for those who didn't have the educational advantage of first semester graduate school "research methods and analysis".

I haven't read the two books. I had heard that some of the york people were experimenting in the late 50s. Reeves, no. I think the lifting side of the house started drug use. Anyone that reaches the higher levels of lifting, power lifting and Bodybuilding have used drugs starting in the 60s and reaching the 60% level by 1970. The Olympia contest is at 100% since the 70s.

But Kayo, you surprised me, I always thought you were in your 20s, the Woody Allen type with a year and a half of junior college. Now I have found out that you are a middle aged writer for muscle mags and had a first semester graduate school "research methods and analysis" course. You fooled me. I picked up a couple of graduate degrees for the papers. You in turn are putting yours to good use here. Where can I read your articles?


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chasbari

Ohio, USA

Pet peeve of mine but is it not, properly, Sergio Oliva?
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JimBryan

Florida, USA

I feel that B.B. would have used them as soon as they became aware of them. They wouldn't have thought they were much more than supplements. Also, the drugs weren't as powerful as they are now. Some won't tell the truth and continue to blow smoke.

I did and I didn't get much out of them (D-bol) but I know some the got a great deal out of them. Even though they won't admit it. Back then Very few didn't try it. If I had a do over I wouldn't go that route again. I feel it was a mistake looking back.
I have heard from a very reliable source about Steve Reeves. It doesn't change my opinion of him at all. And I don't care if he did or didn't. He will remain one of the best.
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hungrywebworm

Reeves on the left.
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physcult

JimBryan wrote:
I feel that B.B. would have used them as soon as they became aware of them. They wouldn't have thought they were much more than supplements. Also, the drugs weren't as powerful as they are now. Some won't tell the truth and continue to blow smoke.

I did and I didn't get much out of them (D-bol) but I know some the got a great deal out of them. Even though they won't admit it. Back then Very few didn't try it. If I had a do over I wouldn't go that route again. I feel it was a mistake looking back.
I have heard from a very reliable source about Steve Reeves. It doesn't change my opinion of him at all. And I don't care if he did or didn't. He will remain one of the best.


I think this is a great point - if they heard about them, they would probably use them. Nobody knew what steroids were to become, even in the 80's many thought they were kind of health tonics and pick-me ups, much like injecting B12. There was even an injectable D-bol from India that was blended with B12 called Trinergic. I think its still available from Unichem. (now it has Ginseng instead of Methandrostenolone and its a capsule)
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antz

kayo wrote:
the first generation of steroid inflated blimps ...


Gentleman Bill Pearl was among these first generation, along with Larry Scott et al.

You were full of praises for Pearl earlier, I thought you would not call him a name like that.
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