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Landau

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southbeach wrote:
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What does this mean "Confidence Value in Human Research is Specious Opinion"?

All research on humans is specious? All research into disease and treatment is so flawed it's useless? Human physiology cannot be studied?

Then how do we have a body of knowledge called Human Physiology? A field of study called "Medicine"?

Do you see how ridiculous your position is?


So, what source of knowledge of physiology do you have in its place? Perhaps whatever collection of beliefs and prejudices that have attached to you over your lifetime?


No- your evident IGNORANCE is REEKED FULL OF BIAS towards the supposed relationship between one's "physical activity" and one's existing pathology. It is JUVENILE thought at best. Pathological Physiology is well understood in the Rational Study of Cardiology, where that relationship does not exist simply to serve both of your presumptions. The Consumption (key word) of this Belief, leads to the Specious "Research" that you hang your hat on. What you believe in is wishful thinking at best and if you tour around the Internet to fester your beliefs, you are part of the disservice and a Fountain of Piss Poor Misinformation. "Studies" for physical activity and the dream of improved Pathology is Empty Medicine at best - it ignores the Facts. Get Over It.


It's dificult to understand what the hell you're even saying here, is your problem with a result of a specific study or with scientific methodology in general?

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that exercise may favorably affect certain aspects of physiology, and that aerobic exercise such as running may exert some specific effects different than that of resistance exercise?

You say I place too much faith in the studies, believe everything i read. that's not true. I look for good studies with good design, and I look for patterns or trends where the results are similar in multiple independent trials.

You, on the other hand seem still stuck in 80's physiology and a few I-net kooks. :|





1. There is NO SUCH THING AS AEROBIC EXERCISE - This is made up gobbledegook.
2. Studies that follow a "made up" concept are going to be in the least - FLAWED.

"Many types of exercise are aerobic, and by definition are performed at moderate levels of intensity for extended periods of time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/...erobic_exercise


You don't understand the difference b/w aerobic and anaerobic processes?? Do a bit more reading is my advice to you.

3. How in the Hell can you look for "good studies with good design?"

How in the hell do you decide every study is flawed and invalid w/o even looking at it??

4. Definition, Reliable Observation, and Controls - something that REEKS INCONSISTENCY in "Exercise Physiology."

Reeks?? how the hell do you know you don't even read the studies. Is it rational to dismiss entire bodies of research based on a few bad study designs? Get rational dude. You sound like a 'it's really a flat world' crank :|

5. Again, If one's Agenda includes the facts that "Aerobics Research" (NOUN) lacks reliable measuring tools, poor statistical controls, and made up definitions. You then are stuck with traditional Myth couched conveniently in Classical Biology.

incoherent gibberish. the studies stand on their own merit the fact you are too lazy to read them doesn't change this fact.

6. Let's Not Forget the "Aerobics" Valuable impact upon the Liver, Kidneys, and Pancreas?

i have no clue what this means and i doubt anyone else does either. Do you have a specific verifiable claim to make or are you just in another of your 80's rant again?

7. I am not stuck in the 80s (although I would not mind being back there) I am realistic and know a Hoax when I see one.

Realistic??

You eat deep fried doughnuts while throwing up a fat double bicep pose and think they are healthy LOL



1. Your Quackery has been EXPOSED OVER THE YEARS and MOST RECENTLY - see Kolata
2. Your made up "aerobic processes" can be neither defined or even separated.
3. I guarantee that my "fat double bicep pose" body has less body fat percent than yours and I am one of those sedentary couch potatoes that isn't an "Aerobic" Addict or promotes phony claims about such.
4. Nat - YOUR QUESTION IS STUPID AND OBVIOUS - SO WHAT, Your Runner can go run up the street, I'll take a LIMO.
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
southbeach wrote:
What does this mean "Confidence Value in Human Research is Specious Opinion"?

All research on humans is specious? All research into disease and treatment is so flawed it's useless? Human physiology cannot be studied?

Then how do we have a body of knowledge called Human Physiology? A field of study called "Medicine"?

Do you see how ridiculous your position is?


So, what source of knowledge of physiology do you have in its place? Perhaps whatever collection of beliefs and prejudices that have attached to you over your lifetime?


No- your evident IGNORANCE is REEKED FULL OF BIAS towards the supposed relationship between one's "physical activity" and one's existing pathology. It is JUVENILE thought at best. Pathological Physiology is well understood in the Rational Study of Cardiology, where that relationship does not exist simply to serve both of your presumptions. The Consumption (key word) of this Belief, leads to the Specious "Research" that you hang your hat on. What you believe in is wishful thinking at best and if you tour around the Internet to fester your beliefs, you are part of the disservice and a Fountain of Piss Poor Misinformation. "Studies" for physical activity and the dream of improved Pathology is Empty Medicine at best - it ignores the Facts. Get Over It.


It's dificult to understand what the hell you're even saying here, is your problem with a result of a specific study or with scientific methodology in general?

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that exercise may favorably affect certain aspects of physiology, and that aerobic exercise such as running may exert some specific effects different than that of resistance exercise?

You say I place too much faith in the studies, believe everything i read. that's not true. I look for good studies with good design, and I look for patterns or trends where the results are similar in multiple independent trials.

You, on the other hand seem still stuck in 80's physiology and a few I-net kooks. :|





1. There is NO SUCH THING AS AEROBIC EXERCISE - This is made up gobbledegook.
2. Studies that follow a "made up" concept are going to be in the least - FLAWED.

"Many types of exercise are aerobic, and by definition are performed at moderate levels of intensity for extended periods of time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/...erobic_exercise


You don't understand the difference b/w aerobic and anaerobic processes?? Do a bit more reading is my advice to you.

3. How in the Hell can you look for "good studies with good design?"

How in the hell do you decide every study is flawed and invalid w/o even looking at it??

4. Definition, Reliable Observation, and Controls - something that REEKS INCONSISTENCY in "Exercise Physiology."

Reeks?? how the hell do you know you don't even read the studies. Is it rational to dismiss entire bodies of research based on a few bad study designs? Get rational dude. You sound like a 'it's really a flat world' crank :|

5. Again, If one's Agenda includes the facts that "Aerobics Research" (NOUN) lacks reliable measuring tools, poor statistical controls, and made up definitions. You then are stuck with traditional Myth couched conveniently in Classical Biology.

incoherent gibberish. the studies stand on their own merit the fact you are too lazy to read them doesn't change this fact.

6. Let's Not Forget the "Aerobics" Valuable impact upon the Liver, Kidneys, and Pancreas?

i have no clue what this means and i doubt anyone else does either. Do you have a specific verifiable claim to make or are you just in another of your 80's rant again?

7. I am not stuck in the 80s (although I would not mind being back there) I am realistic and know a Hoax when I see one.

Realistic??

You eat deep fried doughnuts while throwing up a fat double bicep pose and think they are healthy LOL



1. Your Quackery has been EXPOSED OVER THE YEARS and MOST RECENTLY - see Kolata


Kolata who? Provide a link to get us started at least. And how did you choose to believe Kolata over modern cardiology research?

2. Your made up "aerobic processes" can be neither defined or even separated.

I didn't make those terms up, they are part of known physiology. Where do you get off with your notions of physiology esp when your (unsubstantiated) claims conflict with a body of accepted science?

3. I guarantee that my "fat double bicep pose" body has less body fat percent than yours and I am one of those sedentary couch potatoes that isn't an "Aerobic" Addict or promotes phony claims about such.

I have seen you, you aren't that lean. And what do your biceps have to do with health and longevity, esp vascular health??

Do you think your biceps or your deified exercise program indemnifies you against poor nutritional choices such as deep fried doughnuts?

4. Nat - YOUR QUESTION IS STUPID AND OBVIOUS - SO WHAT, Your Runner can go run up the street, I'll take a LIMO.


Let's take this a step further, so you can curl another 20lbs more.. so what??

How are your biceps contribute to your longevity? LOCOMOTION is the MOST important activity a human can engage in and preserve. I'd much rather be able to continue to move my body thru space with aplomb and economy than to curl another L B. any day.

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Landau

Florida, USA

1. Heart/Vascular Disease is NOT a PERFORMANCE RELATED DISEASE, it's an Ongoing Pathology.
2. I am Leaner/Harder than you, but I am realistic about the Biological Processes - You Live on Whim and Hope. I make NO EMPTY CLAIMS
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
1. Heart/Vascular Disease is NOT a PERFORMANCE RELATED DISEASE, it's an Ongoing Pathology.


Ok, here's a chance to express your thoughts.

What is CVD and why is exercise useless for improving on it?

I'm all ears..

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Landau

Florida, USA

Ability to Perform Physical Work is not directly related to your Heart. Cardiac changes do occur, but they are mistaken for being Healthier - a common mistake. The Fitness is peripheral changes in the obvious. fit/healthy - fit/fatally ill can be observed quite often.
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
Ability to Perform Physical Work is not directly related to your Heart. Cardiac changes do occur, but they are mistaken for being Healthier - a common mistake. The Fitness is peripheral changes in the obvious. fit/healthy - fit/fatally ill can be observed quite often.


This is it? You shot your wad and this is it?

First, i have no clue (and doubt anyone else too) what this means:

"The Fitness is peripheral changes in the obvious. fit/healthy - fit/fatally ill can be observed quite often."

"The fitness is peripheral changes on the obvious"????

LOL


huh?


many of studies I've posted have shown specific beneficial effects on the physiology esp cardio/vascular health.

People that exercise do better, live longer than those that don't. (you refute this, then why do YOU exercise??)

because you like the way your double biceps look in the mirror? you don't exercise for health??



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N@tural1

Landau wrote:
4. Nat - YOUR QUESTION IS STUPID AND OBVIOUS -


How so, I'm asking you a serious question, what do you believe happens to the heart and lungs of a runner compared to a non runner that makes them better at running? You cannot deny that running makes you better AT running, so WHY? What adaptations occur?
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Landau

Florida, USA

You simply don't see the obvious. You have been invited to show up and train - I can civilly discuss it with you there. I don't need to go back and forth on a subject here that I investigated long before your obsession over running manifested itself. Your own Famous Guru would disagree with you, the Famous Running Philosopher. One of the Greatest Thinkers in Running of all time.
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
You simply don't see the obvious. You have been invited to show up and train - I can civilly discuss it with you there. I don't need to go back and forth on a subject here that I investigated long before your obsession over running manifested itself. Your own Famous Guru would disagree with you, the Famous Running Philosopher. One of the Greatest Thinkers in Running of all time.


if is showed up i'd run circles around you then you'd be even more pissed off ;)

ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}
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Yes

southbeach wrote:
ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}

Waitaminute now... isnt Brad Pitt in "Troy" sort of the bodybuilding equivalent of invoking Goodwin's Law?
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:

ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}


First of all Einstein, it was a movie. Second, are you referring to Nathan Jones as "that big tub"?
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southbeach

Yes wrote:
southbeach wrote:
ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}

Waitaminute now... isnt Brad Pitt in "Troy" sort of the bodybuilding equivalent of invoking Goodwin's Law?


the fleet of foot always wins big :)

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physcult

Larry T wrote:
southbeach wrote:

ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}


First of all Einstein, it was a movie. Second, are you referring to Nathan Jones as "that big tub"?


LOL - Brad Pitt would need to be able to run very fast. That 'big tub' beat Gary Taylor in the worlds strongest man,participated in MMA and was a convicted violent criminal.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.


The closest southbeach ever came to breaking something through physical exertion was when he broke wind bending over to pick up a dropped fork while sitting in the corner booth at Denny's.
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southbeach

Larry T wrote:
Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.

The closest southbeach ever came to breaking something through physical exertion was when he broke wind bending over to pick up a dropped fork while sitting in the corner booth at Denny's.


LOL that was your fork i was picking up cause you couldn't bend that far over your gut ;)
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.


i'm still waiting for you to say smthg relevant to this discussion , but i'm not holding my breath while i SPRINT for THREE 5 1/2 minute miles on treadmill ;)
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
Larry T wrote:
Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.

The closest southbeach ever came to breaking something through physical exertion was when he broke wind bending over to pick up a dropped fork while sitting in the corner booth at Denny's.

LOL that was your fork i was picking up cause you couldn't bend that far over your gut ;)


Cute, but not quite. First, I wouldn't be in a corner booth with you at Denny's. Second, my gut is basically gone but you are still thin and wispy. Not that there's anything wrong with that... I guess.
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southbeach

Larry T wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Larry T wrote:
Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.

The closest southbeach ever came to breaking something through physical exertion was when he broke wind bending over to pick up a dropped fork while sitting in the corner booth at Denny's.

LOL that was your fork i was picking up cause you couldn't bend that far over your gut ;)


Cute, but not quite. First, I wouldn't be in a corner booth with you at Denny's. Second, my gut is basically gone but you are still thin and wispy. Not that there's anything wrong with that... I guess.


"my gut is basically gone.."

is that like almost pregnant but not quite?

try running, burns lots fat cals ;)
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:
"my gut is basically gone.."

is that like almost pregnant but not quite?

try running, burns lots fat cals ;)


No, it's like after losing 90lb, my skin isn't as tight as someone younger who never stretched theirs out like I did.

I have nothing against running, but I don't believe it's as worthless as landau says nor as valuable as you say. So instead, I'll continue to train for strength, mobility, and overall health and leave the radical running to you.

Now go be a good boy and quit trying to one-up me with your witty banter. I know you have better things to do. Hey, why don't you use that Massengill's Home Colonoscopy Kit you picked up at your local Bed, Bath, and Boys?
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southbeach

Larry T wrote:
southbeach wrote:
"my gut is basically gone.."

is that like almost pregnant but not quite?

try running, burns lots fat cals ;)

No, it's like after losing 90lb, my skin isn't as tight as someone younger who never stretched theirs out like I did.

I have nothing against running, but I don't believe it's as worthless as landau says nor as valuable as you say. So instead, I'll continue to train for strength, mobility, and overall health and leave the radical running to you.

Now go be a good boy and quit trying to one-up me with your witty banter. I know you have better things to do. Hey, why don't you use that Massengill's Home Colonoscopy Kit you picked up at your local Bed, Bath, and Boys?


i'm having a Massengill's Tupperware party your invited bring your own bib :>
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Landau

Florida, USA

southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.

i'm still waiting for you to say smthg relevant to this discussion , but i'm not holding my breath while i SPRINT for THREE 5 1/2 minute miles on treadmill ;)



You're Seriously on a Treadmill? WTFF? Discussion Over. You can't be helped - Seriously.
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.

i'm still waiting for you to say smthg relevant to this discussion , but i'm not holding my breath while i SPRINT for THREE 5 1/2 minute miles on treadmill ;)


You're Seriously on a Treadmill? WTFF? Discussion Over. You can't be helped - Seriously.


wanna try me on the track..

or nautilus circuit?

your pick makes no diff to me.

whatever you can di i can do better ;)
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Mr. Strong

physcult wrote:
Larry T wrote:
southbeach wrote:

ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}


First of all Einstein, it was a movie. Second, are you referring to Nathan Jones as "that big tub"?

LOL - Brad Pitt would need to be able to run very fast. That 'big tub' beat Gary Taylor in the worlds strongest man,participated in MMA and was a convicted violent criminal.



Was a terrible wrestler though.
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physcult

Mr. Strong wrote:
physcult wrote:
Larry T wrote:
southbeach wrote:

ps did you see the movie "Troy"? How do you think Achilles kicked that big tub so easily?? :}}


First of all Einstein, it was a movie. Second, are you referring to Nathan Jones as "that big tub"?

LOL - Brad Pitt would need to be able to run very fast. That 'big tub' beat Gary Taylor in the worlds strongest man,participated in MMA and was a convicted violent criminal.


Was a terrible wrestler though.

With that kind of strength how good a wrestler do you have to be to take out Brad pitt? ;)
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