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southbeach

Landau wrote:
Practicality, Call it what you want - the health problems in society have nothing to do with activity dreams - it's just plain old over eating and other issues. When in doubt about activity, lay down take a nap and hopefully the thought will go away. You understand that you are the problem, not the solution - get over it and go post your fantasies somewhere else. You only see that which won't let you be stripped of your fanatical illusions - pseudoscience. The Energy Conservationist - David Landau.


You are an 'energy conservationist? you have more muscle than 90% of the population! That muscle requires energy in the form of expended calories to build and maintain.

You haven't answered the question as to why you spend time and energy training? if not for health then for what?
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Landau

Florida, USA

You answer it yourself - why would any one bother with less than 30 Minutes a week Strength Training? Takes a Book, I don't need to tell these people (they know) or you. I need to go brush my teeth.
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coomo

southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
"Here are three studies off the top of a list that includes many dozens showing that even competitive endurance athletes on nothing more than a routine training regimen suffer heart damage from their workouts:

Cardiac drift during prolonged exercise with echocardiographic evidence of reduced diastolic function of the heart. Dawson, et al. Eur J Appl Physiol 2005 Mar 12.

Does four hours of cycling cause cardiac fatigue or cardiomyocyte damage? Damage! This study demonstrated damage to heart muscle cells as shown by reduced diastolic function of the heart. Diastolic filling had not fully re-covered after 24 hours of rest.

Furthermore, the heart damage was greatest in the cyclists who were best conditioned, i.e., had the highest maximal oxygen uptake.

Altered cardiac function and minimal cardiac damage during prolonged exercise. Shave, et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2004 Jul; 36 (7):1098-103.

This study measured markers of cardiac damage to highly trained triathletes in a half-triathlon. RESULTS: reduced left ventricular contractility, reduced diastolic filling, and elevated markers of inflammation and catabolic damage including creatine kinase, creatine kinase isoenzyme MB, and cardiac troponin.

Effect of Endurance exercise on autonomic control of heart rate. Carter et al. Sports Med 2003; 33(1):33-46.

Does the resting heart rate decrease in endurance athletes because the myocardium is stronger and the stroke volume increases? In other words, is the bradycardia a positive adaptation to the stress of training? No.

This myth has existed for many decades. ?Since he started running two years ago his resting heart rate has come down to 52! He is really in great shape!? Ha! Look at your BP-Pulse chart in your NUTRI-SPEC QRG if you want to know what the slow pulse indicates: over-stressed heart, dysaerobic, parasympathetic, or ketogenic.

This study showed that prolonged endurance training results in a non-physiological change in autonomic control of the heart such that parasympathetic activity dominates and sympathetic control is reduced. The parasympathetic stress and sympathetic weakness results in a decreased heart rate at rest, and in response to sub-maximal exercise."



Your studies show alterations in heart function after HOURS of hard exertion. Even then these alterations are temporary and reversible with adequate rest. I'm certainly not suggesting hours of cardio .. those studies are largely irrelevant.

What's a "NUTRI-SPEC QRG"?

SB.The heart condition that i suffered from for 8 years(Atrial Fibrillation)can be caused by exercise.Its very common among distance atheletes.Its not reversable(without surgery) and wont cease, due to remodelling after ceasation of exercise.

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southbeach

Landau wrote:
You answer it yourself - why would any one bother with less than 30 Minutes a week Strength Training? Takes a Book, I don't need to tell these people (they know) or you. I need to go brush my teeth.



It's takes a book to explain why you strength train but it has nothing to do with health? That doesn't make sense. I think you won't say because you realize you've painted yourself into a logical quandary that you can't escape from ;)
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Landau

Florida, USA

NO - PEOPLE know here that you NEVER show up when it comes to train and I openly invited your ass more than once. This is something so simple as to why. My friend Coach Murway speaks to me daily by phone and knows the answer - ask him, but since you are a keyboard specialist - you are not worthy of a response.

Do yourself a FAVOR and strap a 125lb sand bag to your shoulders after a set of squats and walk 400 yards with it and report back on how your Piss Poor Cardio Condition is.
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southbeach

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NO - PEOPLE know here that you NEVER show up when it comes to train and I openly invited your ass more than once. This is something so simple as to why. My friend Coach Murway speaks to me daily by phone and knows the answer - ask him, but since you are a keyboard specialist - you are not worthy of a response.

Do yourself a FAVOR and strap a 125lb sand bag to your shoulders after a set of squats and walk 400 yards with it and report back on how your Piss Poor Cardio Condition is.


keep sweet talking me like that and i will show one day and let you put me thru my paces ;)
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jeffpinter

California, USA

southbeach wrote:
You haven't answered the question as to why you spend time and energy training? if not for health then for what?

Isn't it obvious by now?

Landau is a bodybuilder, nothing more, nothing less.

And a bodybuilder has only one motive....to look awesome in a speedo on the beach.

What else is there?

Jeff

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Landau

Florida, USA

Jeff: DNA
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southbeach

jeffpinter wrote:
southbeach wrote:
You haven't answered the question as to why you spend time and energy training? if not for health then for what?
Isn't it obvious by now?

Landau is a bodybuilder, nothing more, nothing less.

And a bodybuilder has only one motive....to look awesome in a speedo on the beach.

What else is there?

Jeff



health? longevity & well being?
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sgb2112

LOL at all these people who rail against HVT but run!
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jeffpinter

California, USA

southbeach wrote:
health? longevity & well being?

C'mon...get real.

What would you rather have - all of the above - or a Steve Reeves physique for just one afternoon?

Jeff

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jeffpinter

California, USA

Landau wrote:
Jeff: DNA

When you find out how to reconfigure it David...let me know.

Jeff

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southbeach

jeffpinter wrote:
southbeach wrote:
health? longevity & well being?
C'mon...get real.

What would you rather have - all of the above - or a Steve Reeves physique for just one afternoon?

Jeff



That's easy.. all the above!

Why would I sell my health & soul for the brief adulation of complete strangers?

You aren't serious are you.. i hope not :O
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Waynes

Switzerland

Landau wrote:
"Running is very good for you if not overdone, and most that overdo it are very fit."

Wayne

WTF does that mean? Contradiction Totally - Get Real!



I often wonder what you do for a living David ???

Running is very good for you if not overdone. Let us take average people that runs for 20 minutes 3 times, they will have a lower heart rate than if they did the exact same thing but did not run, meaning they are fitter.

Then most people that enjoy running and run for many hours per week are very fit.

David, if you had every coach and athletes to vote, I would say none of them would vote to do HIT, its a pipe dream that backfired. There is no science of physics to it, as far as I can see, its good for beginners, and for the odd two weeks out of a year. This is why you and all the others that are doing HIT, hit sticking points so fast, and make no progress. Why do you still do it is the thing that gets me, as none of it makes any sense if you know a little about training.

Wayne

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Landau

Florida, USA

Wayne: It's Practicality Little Boy, Not Obsessive Strongman Hero Worship. You Live a Pipe Dream, had you showed up back in the day, Arthur Would Have Killed You Stone Dead. You Quit Dreaming - No More From You Unless You Have Actually Seen Me Train Somebody - In Other Words, Shut Your Damn Mouth. Peter King Rocks!
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
Wayne: It's Practicality Little Boy, Not Obsessive Strongman Hero Worship. You Live a Pipe Dream, had you showed up back in the day, Arthur Would Have Killed You Stone Dead. You Quit Dreaming - No More From You Unless You Have Actually Seen Me Train Somebody - In Other Words, Shut Your Damn Mouth. Peter King Rocks!


now your going to bust waynes balls?

why not try answering some questions yerself dave?
LOL

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Landau

Florida, USA

1. Retard
2. Dreamer

Why Should I bother - Both of You Have Religious Beliefs - Why Bother
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Waynes

Switzerland

southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
Wayne: It's Practicality Little Boy, Not Obsessive Strongman Hero Worship. You Live a Pipe Dream, had you showed up back in the day, Arthur Would Have Killed You Stone Dead. You Quit Dreaming - No More From You Unless You Have Actually Seen Me Train Somebody - In Other Words, Shut Your Damn Mouth. Peter King Rocks!

now your going to bust waynes balls?

why not try answering some questions yerself dave?
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David, why do you not as southbeach says, answer some questions, not try and put people down when you cannot.

Whats the little boy thing ??? You got photos of you on the internet, and why you {and some others from this site} put those photos up is beyond me, one thing your not vain.

I enjoy strongman, many other people do, its not my thing to watch men posing around in posing shorts, but if you or anyone does, its what you like and thats cool with me.

HIT is mythology and folklaw.

Arthur would never have beaten me in a fight.

I like dreaming, however your seem to dream in daytime.

Yes I have seen you train people, it makes me cringe to see you working them so wrong, and do not you get it after so many years of non progress.

I do not think you are interested in training, but maybe just making money.
David, why can you just not be friends with all here, and just try for once to debate what you think is right.
As please lets not go back to mocking, as the above is all I will give you, lets just debate like adults

Wayne
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Landau

Florida, USA

Wayne: Never Post About Me Again - Do You Understand? That's Why John Cassler Ignores You - So Do Me A Favor - Shut It Down When It Comes To Me. You Understand? Stop!
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Waynes

Switzerland

Landau wrote:
Wayne: Never Post About Me Again - Do You Understand? That's Why John Cassler Ignores You - So Do Me A Favor - Shut It Down When It Comes To Me. You Understand? Stop!


Whats why John Casler ignores me ??? John does not chat to me because I tried to help but it backfired.

You just seem a very unfriendly person. I mean we train a little different, and you want to turn it into World War 3 why ??? Cannot you be friends and just debate things out friendly.

And remember one thing, you started all this silly stuff, not me, as many times like now I have asked to be friends, but for some reason you want to make enemies all the times, just dont get this.

Could we be friends and get a long ???

Wayne

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jeffpinter

California, USA

southbeach wrote:
jeffpinter wrote:
southbeach wrote:
health? longevity & well being?
C'mon...get real.

What would you rather have - all of the above - or a Steve Reeves physique for just one afternoon?

Jeff



That's easy.. all the above!

Why would I sell my health & soul for the brief adulation of complete strangers?

You aren't serious are you.. i hope not :O

OK - I admit it - bad example.

Replace Steve Reeves with Sergio Oliva.

Now make the choice.

Jeff

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southbeach

jeffpinter wrote:
southbeach wrote:
jeffpinter wrote:
southbeach wrote:
health? longevity & well being?
C'mon...get real.

What would you rather have - all of the above - or a Steve Reeves physique for just one afternoon?

Jeff



That's easy.. all the above!

Why would I sell my health & soul for the brief adulation of complete strangers?

You aren't serious are you.. i hope not :O

OK - I admit it - bad example.

Replace Steve Reeves with Sergio Oliva.

Now make the choice.

Jeff



Hi Jeff!

I know you're making a clever joke here but I'm still not getting it??

I want to look good too but heath and longevity comes first with me. I won't sell my health for another 1/2 inch on my biceps (although i'm not suggesting the two are necessarily mutually exclusive)
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N@tural1

David.

You have posted numerous posts stating your opinion that studies and research cannot be trusted yet you then post a study that 'apparently' suits your bias.. rather contradictory wouldn't you say?

Why can your study be trusted yet the many myself and SB have posted can not?
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Landau

Florida, USA

You guys cry for proof - but the Money is not on my side as when I say Health is Negligible (Not Worth It in a Precribed Sense) thru Activity, I am "running" up against a Billion Dollar Industry that people cling their hopes (prayers) on - so I play the "research" game you guys play - Devil's Advocate So to Speak - but one doesn't have to point to research as if it's the bottom line esp Ex Phys and for obvious reasons. Like I said, a Bum off the Street would Laugh at Your Contentions (Street Sense).
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Cardiac drift during prolonged exercise with echocardiographic evidence of reduced diastolic function of the heart. Dawson, et al. Eur J Appl Physiol 2005 Mar 12.


This study use exercise between 2-4 hours which is marathon running time. I've repeatedly stated that I'm not talking about 'excessive' exercise which is understandably stressful but 20-30 minute sessions 2-3 times per week. Having said that, I've never heard of a tennis player who's matches can last for hours having heart problems, have you?

Altered cardiac function and minimal cardiac damage during prolonged exercise. Shave, et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2004 Jul; 36 (7):1098-103.

This study measured markers of cardiac damage to highly trained triathletes in a half-triathlon.


This one speaks for itself.. Triathletes? From the study:

Exercise-associated elevations of cardiac biomarkers can be present in elite and in recreational athletes, especially after prolonged and strenuous endurance exercise bouts (e.g., marathon and ultratriathlon)

Again, who said anything about marathons and triathlons? We're talking sensible moderate exercise here, not pummeling your body into the ground as do elite endurance athletes. Ever heard the expression - too much of a good thing?

Effect of Endurance exercise on autonomic control of heart rate. Carter et al. Sports Med 2003; 33(1):33-46.


I'm not sure why this study was mentioned but it makes my point perfectly well. From this actual study:

Numerous studies, using a variety of methods, have determined that low HRV is a powerful predictor of all cause mortality.[79,121,124] Low HRV is considered a risk factor for coronary heart disease.[125] Research has shown that cardiovascular disease is often characterised by reduced parasympathetic activity and increased sympathetic activity [3,32,78,124,126-129]

Long-term endurance training significantly affects autonomic control of the heart. Endurance training increases HRV, increases parasympathetic
activity and decreases sympathetic activity in the human heart at rest.

Numerous studies, using a variety of methods, have determined that low HRV is a powerful predictor of all cause mortality, and is considered a risk factor for coronary heart disease. It is possible therefore that endurance exercise may be used as therapy to improve autonomic activity in high risk individuals.

Numerous studies have reviewed how physical inactivity is an important risk factor for cardiovascular disease.

Various studies have indicated... that endurance training provides protection from sudden death by enhancing cardiovascular autonomic function.[104,131-133] Regular endurance exercise is clinically relevant in lowering blood pressure in hypertensive patients and increasing baroreflex gain in patients with ischaemic heart disease.[87,124] Coronary heart disease and cardiac sudden death incidence increases after menopause, but the incidence is lower in physically active females compared with less active females of the same age.[125] Endurance training increases parasympathetic activity in patients with cardiac disease.[132,133] Malfatto et al.[132] studied the effect of an 8 week endurance training programme on 22 patients recovering from a myocardial infarction. The investigators found that endurance training increased parasympathetic activity at rest. It therefore seems possible that endurance exercise may be used therapeutically to improve autonomic activity in those at risk of cardiovascular disease.


Good study showing the health benefits of endurance exercise.
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