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Landau

Florida, USA

southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
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Remember also Magnus Samuelsson broke Nathan's arm in WSM 1995.

i'm still waiting for you to say smthg relevant to this discussion , but i'm not holding my breath while i SPRINT for THREE 5 1/2 minute miles on treadmill ;)


You're Seriously on a Treadmill? WTFF? Discussion Over. You can't be helped - Seriously.


wanna try me on the track..

or nautilus circuit?

your pick makes no diff to me.

whatever you can di i can do better ;)


But your still not going to be the Physical Specimen you always wanted to be, so you retort to USELESS Physicalities Mac. (Mac - get it?) Meaningless

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HSDAD

From back in my cycling hey-day in the '80s, four of the guys I rode with also ran and did occasional duathlon and triathlon events. Only one of them is still capable of running and he runs with a limp associated with a botched knee surgery. That surgery caused by all accounts from excessive running in the first place. The other three cycle exclusively now.

Living in one place your whole life and knowing all of the same people helps in stuff like this. When you guys look around your social circles, do you know which of the people you see were avid runners in the '80s? When you see a happy, uninjured runner, ask him how long he's been running and when was his first marathon.

THe fact is, lighter, thinner people will have much better luck with running as the damage to joints is less. But if you go over 200lb., running is long term suicide based on my observations.

BTW - until last year, I was the only guy among my cycling buddies who DIDN'T have stiff or arthritic knees. My foray into heavy squatting last year put me on the casualty list as well. So running overdone is perhaps no more dangerous than strength training overdone?
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Mr. Strong

Running itself has probably no more potential for injury than other forms of exercise. If you apply running sensibly in your training you should be okay.
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

HSDAD wrote:
From back in my cycling hey-day in the '80s, four of the guys I rode with also ran and did occasional duathlon and triathlon events. Only one of them is still capable of running and he runs with a limp associated with a botched knee surgery. That surgery caused by all accounts from excessive running in the first place. The other three cycle exclusively now.

Living in one place your whole life and knowing all of the same people helps in stuff like this. When you guys look around your social circles, do you know which of the people you see were avid runners in the '80s? When you see a happy, uninjured runner, ask him how long he's been running and when was his first marathon.

THe fact is, lighter, thinner people will have much better luck with running as the damage to joints is less. But if you go over 200lb., running is long term suicide based on my observations.

BTW - until last year, I was the only guy among my cycling buddies who DIDN'T have stiff or arthritic knees. My foray into heavy squatting last year put me on the casualty list as well. So running overdone is perhaps no more dangerous than strength training overdone?


Good post Guy.

My personal observations on runners are culled from an admittedly limited data-set. I simply don't know tons of runners.

I train a 175 poundish guy who is an avid runner, and swears he has zero orthopedic issues. He's been running since 1996. So he may yet succumb to the high impact forces of his chronic running program. Or perhaps his smaller frame will allow him to run with impunity. Time will tell.

I also train a 29 year old female who is my strongest female client overall - with no joint issues, and runs quite a bit.

Though she does get sick more than average, and has recently somewhat curtailed her running because she felt it was running down her immune system.

One thing that always strikes me about the runners I know is that they almost always seem to have tons of energy. And that is what interests me most about running - the potential to turn me into a human dynamo of energy.

Though of course it may be that already energetic folks self-select for running, rather than running making them energetic.

Being intellectually productive is very important to me, but my energy levels are not high enough for me to be the super achiever I'd like to be. My diet is about as healthy as healthy gets...so lately I find myself wondering if running or bike riding would give me some of that added energy I so covet.

Then again, I have always been an extreme night person. But I am now forced to live on a "normal" daytime schedule which I think is a BIG part of why I feel punch drunk a lot of the time.

People say I'll "adapt" to daytime hours, but I never seem to. My mother is also a very night time type person, so I think it's genetic.

All I know is that when I used to be able to sleep and rise according to my personal rhythms I was NEVER tired and much more productive than I currently am.

But as far as running goes...I think I'll try bike riding instead. I don't think my 200 pound frame will do well with high impact running in the long term.

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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

coachjeff wrote:
But as far as running goes...I think I'll try bike riding instead. I don't think my 200 pound frame will do well with high impact running in the long term.



While cycling does not have the repetitive impact, it does have its own set of problems.

Probably the best "cardio-Style" training is "stair climbing" or even stair running.

Impact is lower and power expression (and thus training effect) is larger. You do need to learn how to decend in a low force manner, and it is best to "traverse" (as in a side to side alternating pattern) to dilute "same" knee and ankle forces and angles.

Double or Triple Stepping up and single stepping down can produce a great HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) program.

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physcult

BIO-FORCE wrote:
coachjeff wrote:
But as far as running goes...I think I'll try bike riding instead. I don't think my 200 pound frame will do well with high impact running in the long term.



While cycling does not have the repetitive impact, it does have its own set of problems.

Probably the best "cardio-Style" training is "stair climbing" or even stair running.

Impact is lower and power expression (and thus training effect) is larger. You do need to learn how to decend in a low force manner, and it is best to "traverse" (as in a side to side alternating pattern) to dilute "same" knee and ankle forces and angles.

Double or Triple Stepping up and single stepping down can produce a great HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) program.


Do you consider any of the stepper machines a suitable alternative?
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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

physcult wrote:
BIO-FORCE wrote:
coachjeff wrote:
But as far as running goes...I think I'll try bike riding instead. I don't think my 200 pound frame will do well with high impact running in the long term.



While cycling does not have the repetitive impact, it does have its own set of problems.

Probably the best "cardio-Style" training is "stair climbing" or even stair running.

Impact is lower and power expression (and thus training effect) is larger. You do need to learn how to decend in a low force manner, and it is best to "traverse" (as in a side to side alternating pattern) to dilute "same" knee and ankle forces and angles.

Double or Triple Stepping up and single stepping down can produce a great HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) program.


Do you consider any of the stepper machines a suitable alternative?


They halve the power output, meaning you don't lift your bodyweight, so they are lower in output. And they are boring unless you are beside a hot chick.

Of the Cardio Machines, I prefer the VersaClimber {climbing with arm and leg action), but I have my own designs that I would prefer to use (except they aren't manufactured)

Another but more difficult cardio-activity is "rowing" on a one man scull.
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physcult

BIO-FORCE wrote:

Do you consider any of the stepper machines a suitable alternative?


They halve the power output, meaning you don't lift your bodyweight, so they are lower in output. And they are boring unless you are beside a hot chick.

Of the Cardio Machines, I prefer the VersaClimber {climbing with arm and leg action), but I have my own designs that I would prefer to use (except they aren't manufactured)

Another but more difficult cardio-activity is "rowing" on a one man scull.


What about the stairmaster machine that looks like a set of revolving stairs? I ve never used one myself but they look like they would be similar to climbing stairs.
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Landau

Florida, USA

I just don't get why people use up so much energy on USELESS MECHANISMS. Prison Sentence Anyone?
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southbeach

physcult wrote:
BIO-FORCE wrote:

Do you consider any of the stepper machines a suitable alternative?


They halve the power output, meaning you don't lift your bodyweight, so they are lower in output. And they are boring unless you are beside a hot chick.

Of the Cardio Machines, I prefer the VersaClimber {climbing with arm and leg action), but I have my own designs that I would prefer to use (except they aren't manufactured)

Another but more difficult cardio-activity is "rowing" on a one man scull.


What about the stairmaster machine that looks like a set of revolving stairs? I ve never used one myself but they look like they would be similar to climbing stairs.


The Stairmaster model that has the continuous revolving steps is an incredibly difficult workout! But must be the model with the steps not the levers that are pushed on.

I love it!
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

southbeach wrote:

The Stairmaster model that has the continuous revolving steps is an incredibly difficult workout! But must be the model with the steps not the levers that are pushed on. For the lever portion of my workout, I use the BODY BY JAKE CARDIO CRUISER, pictured above. Ignore the model, she's not very friendly - at least to me. But she seems friendly to everyone else. Hmm.

I love it!


No thanks.
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southbeach

Not that one THIS one:

http://www.nautilus.com/...pMill+SM916.jsp

Trust me you wouldn't get very far on it ;)
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physcult

southbeach wrote:
Not that one THIS one:

http://www.nautilus.com/...pMill+SM916.jsp

Trust me you wouldn't get very far on it ;)


Your link shows no machine. I think you mean this one

http://www.amazon.com/...T/dp/B000NZKXNG
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summaHIT

Ontario, CAN

I have not been here in a while (obvious reason) but I am pleased to see Landau is really hitting his stride. His recent comedy routine is his best ever.
Who would have thought a personal trainer claiming to be so knowledgable could make IGNORANCE so humorous.
It is brilliant. Thanks for the good laugh.
You get better every day.
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southbeach

physcult wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Not that one THIS one:

http://www.nautilus.com/...pMill+SM916.jsp

Trust me you wouldn't get very far on it ;)

Your link shows no machine. I think you mean this one

http://www.amazon.com/...0NZKXNG


My link is good. But that's the one.
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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

physcult wrote:


What about the stairmaster machine that looks like a set of revolving stairs? I ve never used one myself but they look like they would be similar to climbing stairs.


They are not. Again you are using 1/2 the power expression since your body doesn't move.

And they are sluggish and boring (again unless you have attractive company to motivate you)

On a real set of stairs, you can use single, double and triple steps and you can quickly adjust your pace from sprinting to just climbing.

Just my preference. My design is just as boring, but does a few things that the current crop do not do, which adds value to the physical challenge and conditioning effect.

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Landau

Florida, USA

summa wrote:
I have not been here in a while (obvious reason) but I am pleased to see Landau is really hitting his stride. His recent comedy routine is his best ever.
Who would have thought a personal trainer claiming to be so knowledgable could make IGNORANCE so humorous.
It is brilliant. Thanks for the good laugh.
You get better every day.


Tell me where I am wrong about this Topic Mr. Arm Chair. At Least my Ignorance won't rival your Stupidity.

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southbeach

Landau wrote:
summa wrote:
I have not been here in a while (obvious reason) but I am pleased to see Landau is really hitting his stride. His recent comedy routine is his best ever.
Who would have thought a personal trainer claiming to be so knowledgable could make IGNORANCE so humorous.
It is brilliant. Thanks for the good laugh.
You get better every day.

Tell me where I am wrong about this Topic Mr. Arm Chair. At Least my Ignorance won't rival your Stupidity.



Dave,

You should read this article with an open mind.

Born To Run

"Biomechanical research reveals a surprising key to the survival of our species: Humans are built to outrun nearly every other animal on the planet over long distances."
http://discovermagazine.com/.../tramps-like-us
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HSDAD

southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
summa wrote:
I have not been here in a while (obvious reason) but I am pleased to see Landau is really hitting his stride. His recent comedy routine is his best ever.
Who would have thought a personal trainer claiming to be so knowledgable could make IGNORANCE so humorous.
It is brilliant. Thanks for the good laugh.
You get better every day.

Tell me where I am wrong about this Topic Mr. Arm Chair. At Least my Ignorance won't rival your Stupidity.



Dave,

You should read this article with an open mind.

Born To Run

"Biomechanical research reveals a surprising key to the survival of our species: Humans are built to outrun nearly every other animal on the planet over long distances."
http://discovermagazine.com/.../tramps-like-us


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Landau

Florida, USA

southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
summa wrote:
I have not been here in a while (obvious reason) but I am pleased to see Landau is really hitting his stride. His recent comedy routine is his best ever.
Who would have thought a personal trainer claiming to be so knowledgable could make IGNORANCE so humorous.
It is brilliant. Thanks for the good laugh.
You get better every day.

Tell me where I am wrong about this Topic Mr. Arm Chair. At Least my Ignorance won't rival your Stupidity.



Dave,

You should read this article with an open mind.

Born To Run

"Biomechanical research reveals a surprising key to the survival of our species: Humans are built to outrun nearly every other animal on the planet over long distances."
http://discovermagazine.com/.../tramps-like-us



So What does it prove? Sorry - In today's Mechanized Society, I'll still drive my car. See if you can out run my car. Silly, Silly, and further Silly. Running is going to solve Age Related Pathologies? I am Not Interested in your Religion. Mythology - I just don't buy it. Go Run in the Belmont Stakes and Report Back. This is Not a Running/Cardio Dude Site.
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Landau wrote:
summa wrote:
I have not been here in a while (obvious reason) but I am pleased to see Landau is really hitting his stride. His recent comedy routine is his best ever.
Who would have thought a personal trainer claiming to be so knowledgable could make IGNORANCE so humorous.
It is brilliant. Thanks for the good laugh.
You get better every day.

Tell me where I am wrong about this Topic Mr. Arm Chair. At Least my Ignorance won't rival your Stupidity.



Dave,

You should read this article with an open mind.

Born To Run

"Biomechanical research reveals a surprising key to the survival of our species: Humans are built to outrun nearly every other animal on the planet over long distances."
http://discovermagazine.com/.../tramps-like-us



So What does it prove? Sorry - In today's Mechanized Society, I'll still drive my car. See if you can out run my car. Silly, Silly, and further Silly. Running is going to solve Age Related Pathologies? I am Not Interested in your Religion. Mythology - I just don't buy it. Go Run in the Belmont Stakes and Report Back. This is Not a Running/Cardio Dude Site.


i got a forklift. see if you can outlift that.

according to your logic your wasting your time.
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Landau

Florida, USA

This is Not a Prayer Group. Quit Preaching "Cardio" Crap. Treadmills - One of the WORST things that ever happened to "exercise."
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Landau

Florida, USA

Again - you don't seem (refuse) to understand objectives - I am not a weightlifter (sport). Just go and Run in the street little boy. Marc - Save me from this child - please!
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southbeach

Landau wrote:
Again - you don't seem (refuse) to understand objectives - I am not a weightlifter (sport). Just go and Run in the street little boy. Marc - Save me from this child - please!


ok, what are you? why did and do you spend all those years lifting?

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marcrph

Portugal

Landau wrote:
Again - you don't seem (refuse) to understand objectives - I am not a weightlifter (sport). Just go and Run in the street little boy. Marc - Save me from this child - please!


I got tired of explaining anything to the "clown" a long time ago.

He has an agenda! Running and vegan! This "ain't" the place to discuss these two issues in depth. Take it elsewhere along with your dirty laundry.

He (clown) has a desire for HIT but proves false to the main purpose of HIT.
The clown only wants to disrupt this forum. He has added nothing of value to this forum, especially any personal experiences and insight. I can only come to the conclusion, that he doesn't train at all, that is HIT-style. He only wants to talk theory. Great, but it becomes boring as all get out after a while. Tell us about your personal experiences, and the theory will take care of itself. I don't respond to his rapport any more because he has no "new" & original ideas to share. The latest insult of Scott was personally disagreeable.

Please don't invite this clown to any HIT events and just plain isolate him in his cocoon of personal indulgences. Perhaps he will change, but I'm done with the clown.
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