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Landau

Florida, USA

This is Simple - I have stated why it is impossible to draw conclusions from specious "research" - case closed.

1. Fact - I am Leaner and More Muscular than the both of you
2. Both of you cannot define simple words, but you slant them for your own convenience.
3. Health and Fitness are not related the way you want them to be
4. There is no PROOF that the Heart becomes magically Healthier thru activity
5. Acquiescing to made up Heart Rate Formulas is plain Stupid if you bother to search their origins
6. Physiology/Biology does not change bacause of centuries
7. My friend Vinnie http://www.funnyordie.com/...th-vinnie-jones
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N@tural1

Landau wrote:
Define Your Terms Troll


Landau wrote:
Make Believe Definitions - You Need To Take First Grade Grammar Lessons


^^Throwing ya toys out the pram now are ya.

Landau wrote:
Owned?????? You ignore hard Sciences and quote "Exercise Physiology Studies" Sport/Exercise - different objectives - different definitions. James - slam this G. I'm not a DREAMER - you are G BOY.


I ignore what now? I've presented studies, research, some carried over years which YOU want to ignore. SB has done the same. On what do you base your foundation? Myth, philosophy horse shit, bias and agenda. YOU ignore science. LOL @ your accusations that I ignore science! I've JUST PRESENTED YOU WITH RESEARCH! WHICH YOU REJECT BASED ON gooble-de-gook!!
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Landau

Florida, USA

Hard Science - ever hear of it? I doubt it?
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N@tural1

Landau wrote:
This is Simple - I have stated why it is impossible to draw conclusions from specious "research" - case closed.


No you haven't you've stated opinion.

Landau wrote:
1. Fact - I am Leaner and More Muscular than the both of you


WTF has that got to do with anything LMAO! Desperation?

Landau wrote:
2. Both of you cannot define simple words, but you slant them for your own convenience.


Give one example YOU WON'T more horse shit.

Landau wrote:
3. Health and Fitness are not related the way you want them to be


And how do we want them to be? Refute the studies/research quit the opinion.

Landau wrote:
4. There is no PROOF that the Heart becomes magically Healthier thru activity


Numerous studies presented here would argue that.

Landau wrote:
5. Acquiescing to made up Heart Rate Formulas is plain Stupid if you bother to search their origins


Heart, heart heart... Is that the ONLY thing you rattle on about. Try addressing the numerous other benefits pr oven and presented via studies.

Landau wrote:
6. Physiology/Biology does not change bacause of centuries


Who said it did? WTF has that got to do with anything?
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N@tural1

southbeach wrote:
"800 calorie" vegetarians getting fat..


ROFLMFAO!!

Nice try David. But you still fail.

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N@tural1

Jedi trainers are easy.
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southbeach

to put the icing on the cake,

http://findarticles.com/...3/ai_n24264131/

Live long and perspire: exercise may slow aging at chromosomal level

The long-observed association between exercise and a slightly longer life span may have its origins in DNA maintenance, a new study finds. Researchers report that the ends of chromosomes hold up better in active people than in sedentary individuals, possibly extending cell life and contributing to overall survival.

Those who reported regular moderate-to-vigorous exercise of more than 3 hours per week had telomeres markedly longer than did the least active individuals, researchers report in the Jan. 28 Archives of Internal Medicine.

"Really active people had the telomeres of someone 10 years younger" says Spector. He notes that "gentle walking wouldn't count as exercise."


welcome to the 21st century ;)
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N@tural1

AND WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER:

HIT = elevated heart rate and muscular tension.

Cardio = elevated heart rate.

All forms of weight training = muscular tension.

HOW THE HELL DOES THE HEART AND MUSCLE KNOW THE DIFFERENCES!!!!!!???????
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southbeach

Natty wrote:
southbeach wrote:
"800 calorie" vegetarians getting fat..

ROFLMFAO!!

Nice try David. But you still fail.



you have a keen mind, Natty. And great wit! I like your stuff.

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Mr. Strong

Exercise is one of the only ways to slow the ageing process.

I don't think its possible to get fat from 800 calories.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Natty wrote:
AND WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER:

HIT = elevated heart rate and muscular tension.

Cardio = elevated heart rate.

All forms of weight training = muscular tension.

HOW THE HELL DOES THE HEART AND MUSCLE KNOW THE DIFFERENCES!!!!!!???????


Human Biology - Hard Science
More Made Up Definitions
Answer a Moron - No - You can't even put together a Viable Question. DUH DUH DUH You bought into the Commercialism -
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Landau

Florida, USA

By the way - get rid of that Avatar or get a bra
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southbeach

what are you so afraid of??
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southbeach

Mr. Strong wrote:
Exercise is one of the only ways to slow the ageing process.

I don't think its possible to get fat from 800 calories.



i agree.

the best way to slow aging is caloric restriction with adequate nutrition..

but there isn't even one here that even get's close.

for the rest of us, try to undo our nutritional faults. we try to make up for lost ground. never can but you try :|


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N@tural1

Landau wrote:
Human Biology - Hard Science
More Made Up Definitions
Answer a Moron - No - You can't even put together a Viable Question. DUH DUH DUH You bought into the Commercialism -

BLA BLA BLA.. more pontification and side stepping how about answer the question:

HIT = elevated heart rate and muscular tension.

Cardio = elevated heart rate.

All forms of weight training = muscular tension.

HOW THE HELL DOES THE HEART AND MUSCLE KNOW THE DIFFERENCES!?

Landau wrote:
By the way - get rid of that Avatar or get a bra


Gain some mass and start lifting some actual heavy weight.
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Larry T

North Carolina, USA

Landau wrote:
The Myth of Cardiovascular Health From Exercise
Exercise Doesn?t Prevent Heart Disease
Brian Scott Peskin


I warn you in advance that what you are about to read will both shock
and amaze you. The truth about exercise and cardiovascular health runs
contrary to public opinion and 20 years of government guidelines and
nutritional recommendations saying that massive amounts of exercise are
needed to prevent heart disease.
The great news is that you no longer need to be a ?rat on a treadmill? six
days a week; you no longer need to be out running in 100 degree heat or in
20 degree cold, rain and snow.
The great news is that you will be convinced, after hearing this
information, that correct nutrition, NOT exercise ? even though you
probably don?t know what correct nutrition means yet ? is the soundest
way to assure heart health.
The truth is that, at best, exercise slightly prolongs the time before a
heart attack ? it can?t and doesn?t prevent one.
We are all told constantly that exercise prevents heart disease. WRONG.
?The evidence is unassailable ? coronary heart disease develops and
progresses during training. Exercisers die of heart disease despite
exercise.?1
We are told that running to get the heart rate up is ideal exercise.
WRONG. ?Running injuries are especially common [particularly the knees].
If you weight 150 pounds then you endure over 100 tons of force per mile
[through the knees, etc.].?2
1, 2 The Exercise Myth, Henry Solomon, M.D., Harcourt Brace Jovanovich Publishers,
New York, NY, 1984 (out of print).
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We are told that everyone is becoming unhealthy due to inactivity.
WRONG. ??[Y]ou must be truly sedentary ? a slug who sits or lies about
all day long or barely crawls out of bed ? to be at any risk from inactivity.?
3 This is why house cats eating a proper carnivore diet maintain perfect
weight and perfect health despite little activity and often despite sleeping
virtually all day.
We are told that exercise makes you live longer. WRONG again. ?There
is no relationship at all between activity and lifespan ? none.?4
We are told to take a ?stress test? to assess our ?cardiovascular fitness.?
WRONG ? stress tests are inaccurate. ?Stress tests are not sensitive enough,
specific enough, or reproducible enough for anyone to be sure they are
telling you anything correct.?5
I?ll bet that you are thinking that this simply can?t be true. How can
America and the rest of the world have been misled so drastically for so long?
The problem is that opinion has replaced established medical science in
both the nutrition and exercise fields. Remember, for over 50 years we have
been told to make carbohydrates the basis of our diet, despite every medical
physiology textbook clearly stating that it is carbohydrates alone that create
a massive insulin (fat-storing) response. The medical biochemistry textbooks
clearly state that primarily fats rather than carbohydrates are burned for
fuel, and protein is not stored as fat, while almost all carbohydrates eaten
ARE stored as fat.
As the Textbook of Medical Physiology makes clear, 97% of the time (the
vast majority), muscles can?t use carbohydrates as fuel ? they need fatty
acids. These are obtained by metabolizing your own body fat. The science
is therefore opposite to the ?popular notions.? The carbohydrate diet that
everyone told us was so good ? and that most nutritionists and physicians
still maintain is best in spite of the science against it ? has put America and
the rest of the world at enormous risk for diabetes, heart disease, and
cancer. The number of obese people has skyrocketed and huge numbers
of kids in recent generations are growing up obese because those who
should know better have let opinion, rather than proven science, rule.
Dr. Solomon, a renowned cardiologist, was the first to expose in a
scientific manner the gross amount of misinformation being disseminated
3, 4, 5 ,4, 5 The Exercise Myth, Henry Solomon, M.D., Harcourt Brace Jovanovich
Publishers, New York, NY, 1984 (out of print).
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concerning exercise and its supposed correlation to improved health. We
all owe him a great debt of gratitude.
I have always had a big problem with the notion that diet and
exercise needed to be tied together. What type of food is exercise? Is it
a carbohydrate, fat, or protein? Of course, the answer is that exercise is
none of them. Exercise DOES deplete the bloodstream of glucose (carbs),
meaning you won?t become AS fat eating carbs if you exercise as when you
don?t exercise at all. Exercise is also good for diabetics because it helps them
decrease their blood glucose levels.
The Textbook of Medical Physiology makes it quite clear that while a person
is on a high carbohydrate diet ? like those we have all been told to eat for
the past 50 years ? it takes 40 days of running an hour a day to lose just
one pound of bodyfat. (Most people have been incorrectly led to believe
that it takes just six days.) This real science is the reason that exercise has
completely failed us as a means for weight loss.
The high carbohydrate proponents were forced to make massive amounts
of exercise part of the ?dietary program? and lie about how effective the diet
alone was ? and nobody questioned it! They knew carbohydrates made you
fat but publicly couldn?t admit it ? lawsuits would have been immediately
forthcoming.
The Textbook of Medical Physiology states that exercise makes the stroke
of the heart larger and more powerful, making more blood flow per beat.
However, the heart then beats at a slower pace, so the overall difference
in oxygen transfer is virtually nonexistent. Artery size increases, too. You
would think that this would prevent the arteries from clogging. While it
does slow the rate of clogging, because it takes more time to fill a bigger
diameter, it doesn?t stop the heart attack ? it just delays it somewhat. More
mitochondria are produced in the cells, too, but this doesn?t increase oxygen
transfer, either. These reasons explain precisely why marathon runners die
of heart attacks. Arterial clogging still occurs during training.
I have never once heard or seen the truth of these facts published in the
popular press or media. But you will soon see numerous studies proving
this published in medical journals in numerous countries around the world.
They all have one finding in common: Exercise does not prevent heart
disease or increase lifespan.
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Otherwise why, in spite of doing ?everything right? as taught to us by our
doctors and nutritionists, are two-thirds of Americans grossly overweight,
why do 50% of us die of a heart attack, 40% of us contract cancer, and nearly
everyone become diabetic (with one million new cases added a year)? We
aren?t told that pre-1940 there were no Type 2 diabetics. It must be that
the ?solution? (high carbohydrate diets) is actually the CAUSE of our
problems, and that exercise can?t help solve a nutritional deficiency.
The studies that clearly show that exercise doesn?t prevent heart disease
are listed in the next section. Nothing has changed since they were published
in the medical journals years ago. More recently, in April 2004, ironically,
the inventor of the carbohydrate-based ?Power Bar? died of a heart attack.
He was a marathon runner! Even massive amounts of exercise DO NOT
PREVENT heart attacks.
Years ago, Harvard University published the results of a massive
alumni study showing incidence of health in relation to level of exercise.
The results were conclusive, but at that time, in 1996, even I didn?t publish
their implication that exercise is essentially worthless for staying healthy,
because it was so ?politically incorrect? and the fear was that no one would
believe it.
Even the famous Dr. Cooper ? the ?father? of aerobics ? was forced to
admit that he was wrong with his recommendation that you exert yourself
to an extreme trying to reach his ?target zone? of increased heart rate. Yet
most people, including the exercise teachers and instructors, are unaware of
his monumental reversal, and still insist that you continue to ?kill? yourself
in an attempt to reach the ?target heart rate.?
Something always bothered me with the idea that one ?had to get the
heart rate up? and ?strengthen? the heart. How many times a day was
it already beating I wondered. This is an easy one: 70 beats/per minute
times 60 minutes/per hour) = 4,200 beats per hour = 96,000 beats per day!
Close to 100,000 times/day isn?t enough? Does the heart require more
?strengthening?? No. To require more beats borders on lunacy. It simply
makes no sense. I have never seen this simple calculation along with the
obvious conclusion: Your heart is already beating plenty and it is quite
strong, too.
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THE STUDIES:
In 2004, Dr. Michael Weber, an editor at American Journal of Hypertension
(high blood pressure) published the results of a landmark study. The
conclusion? ?The investigators found a person does not have to spend
great amounts of time working out [an hour a week is sufficient].?
In spite of this finding, the researchers still wrote that people should still
exercise extensively on a daily basis. This recommendation is paramount
to say ?it doesn?t work; it doesn?t help, but do it anyway.? Unfortunately,
insanity never stops in the medical and nutritional fields. More wasted time
looking in the wrong place for better health.
We have all been told countless numbers of times that ?stretching
before running, doing aerobics, or bodybuilding? prevents injuries.
WRONG AGAIN. See the March 2004 issue of the American College of
Sports Medicine journal Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. Here?s
the statement from Stephen B. Thacker, director of the epidemiology
program office at the Center for Disease and Prevention: ?We could not
find a benefit [from stretching before exercise].? (Gymnasts and dancers
excluded). These are his exact words ? not mine. Once again, more wasted
time looking for improved health while missing what really works.
In April 2004, Harvard University found that people on a low
carbohydrate diet could eat 25,000 more calories than those on a highcarbohydrate
diet and at the end of the 12-week study they gained zero
pounds! That?s right, no weight gain. The director?s study was mystified
because they think ?a calorie is a calorie regardless of what food it comes
from.? We have been taught that ?calories in minus calories burned = how
fat I get.? Even they don?t know about Professor Fick?s finding that humans
are not heat engines so that the ?calorie theory? doesn?t apply. This was
known in 1893!
Our government, your physician and your nutritionist would all
maintain ?that it?s only about calorie consumption,? and it is even the law
that you had better address calories if you want to encourage lack of weight
gain, but they are all WRONG. This was disproved by Professor Fick in
1893, when he showed that the human body is NOT a heat engine, but
a chemical engine! If even Harvard professors don?t know this science,
what hope is there for the average person? None at all ? people are forced
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to learn the science on their own. Despite its proof more than a century ago,
I have never heard or seen published the reason why the ?calorie theory? is
incorrect when applied to humans. Even the former head of the American
Heart Association was wrong. This is the reason that I?ve received calls
from vegetarians consuming as low as 800 calorie-a-day diets and they
still got fat! With all the insulin created you can rest assured they were
headed towards massive heart disease, too.
The fact of the matter is that contrary to popular belief and the belief of
many doctors, regardless of physical condition, the condition of the heart
remains essentially the same. The more that you exercise, the stronger you
would think that the heart should be, right? Well, just as the calorie guess
was incorrect, the idea that the heart ?gets stronger and becomes more
efficient? is incorrect, too. It is already in superb condition without ?extra?
stimulus.
In fact, the negative side-effects of excessive exercise are significant.
Naturally, they are not frequently discussed. Frequent abnormal
electrocardiograms (EKGs), an enlarged heart and joint disorders frequently
occur. Yes, athletes often have enlarged hearts ? which would lead physicians
to think they were ill, if they weren?t athletes!
Fitness is normally measured by the rate of O2 (oxygen) consumption,
yet this means nothing to your heart; it is related to essentially muscles
ONLY. Likewise, exercise does virtually nothing beneficial for your lungs,
either. ?Running, no matter what you have been told, primarily trains
and conditions the muscles.?6 This is from, Dr. George Sheehan ? the guru
of running. What increases in efficiency is the smooth muscle tissue in the
airways to the lungs. Columbia cardiologist Dr. Jonathan Moldover denies
there is even such a thing as ?cardiovascular fitness,? because fitness is
related to peripheral (secondary) changes only.7 Think about it. Fit people,
including marathon runners drop dead of heart attacks from clogged arteries
frequently. My publicist recently told me about a friend of his, an M.D.
bodybuilder, who trained in the gym with him yet died of a heart attack at
the age of 39. Dr. Moldover spoke of this in 1979 and few listened.
6 Sheehan, G.A., M.D., ?Take the Muscles and Run,? Physicians and
Sportsmedicine 9, no. 5 (May1981): 35.
7 Moldover, J.R., ?Fitness and Health,? Paper presented at the meeting of
the Medical Society of the State of New York, 17 September 1979.
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Does a ?stress test? let you know if you have heart disease? NO. A normal
test is not firm evidence of absence of heart disease and the test may not
detect heart disease if you actually have it, either. You may have narrowing
(clogged arteries), even of a severe degree, and respond normally to a stress
test. If your cardiologist is truthful he will have to admit this fact. The stress
test itself can cause a heart attack ? why do you think there is always a
nurse AND a physician close by?
How accurate is a stress test?8 75% of the people who have heart disease
will be picked up. So the false negative rate (you really have the disease
but think that you don?t) is 25% ? quite high! It can even be much worse,
depending on which study you look at. 5% to as high as 30% of people
who don?t have heart disease will be picked up as though they do (a false
positive) ? a needless but brutal scare! You don?t believe this? You had
better believe the studies which show it, or risk delusion.9,10,11 The National
Institutes of Health and the United States Air Force both know of the test?s
shortcomings. Even heart rhythm outputs are not consistent between
consecutive tests [EKGs, etc.].12 The same heart can show different outputs
at different times under essentially the same conditions!
In 1967 the British Health Journal published the amazing and extraordinary
finding that ?sedentary clerks lived longer than the physically active fitters
? quite contrary to the conception of the protective role of exercise.?13
Amazingly, the highest levels of exercise were associated with the greatest
8 Froelicher, V.F., ?Exercise Testing-Screening: Positive Tests in Asymptomatic
Patients, Estimation of Severity of Heart Disease.? Paper presented at
meeting, Clinical Perspectives in Vascular and Ischemic Heart Disease, New
York, Nov. 1977.
9 Epstein, S.E. ?Utility of the Exercise ECG in the Diagnosis of Coronary
Artery Disease: The Dialogue Updated.? Paper presented at symposium, New
Techniques and Concepts in Cardiology, Washington, D.C., 2 Nov. 1978
10 Froelicher, V.F., et al., ?Value of Exercise Testing for Screening Asymptomatic
Men for Latent Coronary Disease,? Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases,
18 (1976): 265-276.
11 Faris, J.V., et al., ?Prevalence and Reproducibility of Exercise-induced
Ventricular Arrhythmias During Maximal Exercise Training in Normal Men,?
American Journal of Cardiology, 37 (1976): 612-622.
12 Sheps, D.S., et al., ?Decreased Frequency of Exercise-induced Ventricular
Ectopic Activity in the Second of Two Consecutive Treadmill Tests,? Circulation
55 (1977):892-895.
13 Malhotra, S.L., ?Epidemology of Ischaemic Heart Disease in India with
Special References to Causation,? British Heart Journal 29 (1967) :895-905.
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death rates. Likewise in the 1976 Scandinavian study looking at Finnish
men, ?mortality was greatest for men doing the most physical activity.?14
The truth was known and published in the medical journals around the
world years ago but covered up. This report from Sweden looked at over
300 heart attack patients ? half of them were assigned to an exercise program
and the other half weren?t. The results? No evidence of influence on either
death rate or recurrence of heart attack with the exercise.
In 1981 Canada looked at the role of exercise, too. With over 700 heart
attack patients there was no difference in results between high- or lowintensity
exercise. In fact, more of the high-intensity exercisers had repeat
heart attacks.15 America did another study too. Again, no significant
difference between exercising and not exercising over a 3-year period!16
The results around the world are quite clear: exercise is worthless in
preventing heart disease and extending life, and too much of it appears to
actually be detrimental!
Increased blood flow from exercise is another myth. Exercise does not
increase collateral blood flow, either. New arteries form only in response to
your old ones getting worse (clogged).
In 1981, a study with 50 competitive distance runners titled, ?Distance
Runners as Models of Optimal Health,? was performed. The study noted
the occurrence of substantial elevated blood pressure increases ? not
decreases ? accompanying the runners? physical training. Forty percent
(40%) of the runners had a blood pressure minimum of 130/85 (120/80
is ideal). That?s right. 40% of the runners had higher blood pressures than
normal. Dr. Harold Elrick, director of the Foundation for Optimal Health
and Longevity stated ?? that daily vigorous exercise does not protect
people from hypertension (high blood pressure).?17
14 Punsar, S., ?Physical Activity and Coronary Heart Disease in Populations
from East and West Finland,? Advances in Cardiology 18 (1976): 196-207.
15 Rechnitzer, P.A., ?The Effect of Exercise Prescription on the Recurrence
Rate of Myocardial Infarction in Men,? American Journal of Cardiology, 47
(1981): 419.
16 ?The National Exercise and Heart Disease Project: Effects of a Prescribed
Supervised Exercise Program on Mortality and Cardiovascular Morbidity in Patients
After a Myocardial Infarction,? American Journal of Cardiology 48 (1981):
39-46.
17 Elrick, H., ?Distance Runners as Models of Optimal Health,? Physician
and Sportsmedicine 9,no. 1 (Jan. 1981): 64-68.
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How many more times do the researchers have to state the truth that
exercise is worthless in preventing heart disease before the popular press
publishes it? Will our government ever admit the truth? Don?t count on it.
What about exercise and cholesterol? Dr. Elrick stated that vigorous
physical activity ?does not guarantee low total cholesterol or high HDL
(?good?) cholesterol values?.?18 In 1980, a group of 260 men were observed
over a 25-year timeframe. There was no difference caused by HDL levels
among those who died of heart disease and those who didn?t. The conclusion:
?The current enthusiasm for HDL cholesterol is ?unwarranted,?? and that
low HDL is not a significant risk factor for death by heart disease.19
If your HDL is considered ?low? by your physician, you can now rest
easier, because he is wrong. An article in the 1982 issue of New England
Journal of Medicine questions the notion that HDL increases heart health.
Here?s the statement: No one has shown that raising HDL cholesterol
reduces the risk of arteriosclerosis.20 In fact, Journal of Clinical Investigation
2001;108:843-850 reports that mice completely lacking in HDL had no
cholesterol-clogging issue. This incredible finding was never mentioned in
the popular press and most physicians are completely unaware of it.
Our Life-Systems Engineering analysis: In this case, the mouse study is
relevant to humans because both mice and humans have HDL. When their
HDL was totally removed, it was thought the mice would die immediately.
The mice neither died nor developed negative cardiovascular-related
conditions! In 2004, a major drug company committed to spending hundreds
of millions of dollars in an attempt to show that their drug, by increasing
HDL, decreases heart disease. The results are already clear ? it won?t.
Does anyone ever read and implement directions of research (research
paths) based on what was discovered in the past? NOT ENOUGH of them.
You may be aware that the ?prime cause? of cancer was discovered by Dr.
Warburg, but the result completely missed by today?s cancer researchers.
That?s why their cancer research is a complete failure. That?s why the
18 Londeree, B.R. et al., ?Effects of Increases in Training upon Blood Lipids
and Glucose Related Variables,? Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 14
(1982) 104.
19 Keys, A., ?Alpha-lipoprotein (HDL) Cholesterol in the Serum and the
Risk of Cornoary Heart Disease and Death,? Lancet 2 (1980): 603-606.
20 Lees, R.S., ?High-density Lipoproteins and the Risk of Atherosclerosis,?
New England Journal of Medicine 306 (1982): 1546-1548.
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cholesterol emphasis is a complete failure, too. Now they?ve gone on to
inflammation, C-reactive protein, homocysteine levels, etc. They never
admit they were initially wrong ? it?s cholesterol?s structure and not the
amount; so there is always something ?in addition.? So don?t expect the
truth to rein supreme concerning HDL cholesterol?s relation to heart disease.
With hundreds of millions of dollars going for university studies, I expect
a ?positive result? ? true or not. Money talks. Unfortunately, I predict that
people taking the drug being tested in the study just mentioned will not
suffer fewer heart attacks.
That?s why the cardiologists? offices stay packed in spite of all the
patients on cholesterol-lowering drugs and the intense exercise ? they
don?t stop heart disease. The problem is with cholesterol?s structure ? not
the amount of it you have. Exercise alone can?t stop heart disease.
And it gets worse. Studies have now shown that there is both an increase
in blood platelet numbers AND the amount of platelet clumping (causing
clogs) during exercise.21,22
In sum, does exercise lower LDL cholesterol? NO! Does exercise raise
HDL? NO! Does high HDL even matter? NO! Does exercise lower blood
pressure? NO! Does exercise make the blood flow easier or ensure the
platelets are less sticky? NO! These are facts and do not require further
?studies.? Does confirmation of the law of gravity require monthly reconfirmation?
Certainly not. That?s why the field of physics progresses
while the fields of nutrition and medicine barely creep forward ? or worse,
travel backwards.
Injuries ? The Majority of Runners Get Them
Over a third of runners sustain serious injury. This is the lowest
percentage that is reported in surveys. However, the average percent of
runners who sustain serious injury while running is 60% to 90%. These
injuries include injury to the knee, foot, hip, and lower back. Dr. Cooper,
the ?father of aerobics,? was forced to admit that 60-70% of all runners are
hurt badly enough each year that they are forced to cut back or entirely stop
their training programs.23
21 Green, L.H., ?Platelet Activation During Exercise-induced Myocardial Ischemia,? New
England Journal of Medicine 302 (1980): 193-197.
22 Sarajas, H.S., ?Reaction Patterns of Blood Platelets in Exercise,? Advances
in Cardiology 18 (1976): 176-195.
23 Cooper, K.H., in Long C., ed. Prevention and Rehabilitation in Ischemic
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Would runners continue with their running if they knew how worthless
it was in preventing heart disease? Probably not.
Pages 112-114 of the book The Exercise Myth are loaded with more
conclusive evidence detailing marathon runners who died while running
or shortly thereafter from clogged arteries. The finding that clogged
arteries was the leading cause of their deaths is there.

I will play your little game once - GET OVER YOURSELF YOU STUPID DREAMER.


For God's sake landau, why don't you find a 10 year old kid somewhere and get them to show you the basics of computer operation!
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mentzerfan

Natty wrote:

No emotion. Just calling out Landaus bull shit as I see it. I've been patient enough for long enough and tolerated his insults numerous times before, you cry for him when he gets it back? Can't he defend himself?


After reading what you have posted all through last night and today how can you possibly say "no emotion"?!
Your "he started it" argument doesn't work in the playground and it doesn't work here. What do you hope to gain from this shouting match?


mentzerfan wrote:
He doesn't tour the internet and post everywhere he can trying to annoy everyone who doesn't like HIT.

He would get owned big time on any other forum not dedicated to HIT. In fact, he gets owned here to!


He doesn't go on any non HIT forum. I thought I made this clear.

I think I mentioned I'm not interested in a limp ego battle of who "owned" who. I don't think you should be interested either unless you're 12 years old!

Opinions are one thing, closed minded obnoxiousness is completely another.


If you think somebody you have never met and know nothing about is "closed minded and obnoxious" then that would make your opinion closed minded and obnoxious.


I'd rather talk to someone that can back up his claims. Being "passionate" about something doesn't make it right. Landau is beyond "passionate" about HIT. He makes outright false and outrageous statements. I'm more than happy to show him up. He has nothing but 'appeal to authority' and personal insults.


I'd rather talk to someone who cares what he's talking about rather than getting involved in some pointless pissing contest. Wouldn't you?

I'd rather talk to someone with a strong opinion on a subject rather than someone who can't make their mind up. Wouldn't you?

If it makes you happy to "show him up" then I feel really sorry for you and the terrible life you must be leading.

I think it's a bit late to for you complain about personal insults after you've supplied enough yourself.


Then you don't read many of my posts, I am being short and abrasive with David and David only due to putting up with his insults for long enough. It's time for some straight talking.


I've read enough of your posts to see that you enjoy being aggressive and insulting others. Please don't try to pass rudeness off as "straight talking".

Landaus been dishing out for months, now your crying because I'm dishing some back. Sad. Apply you're own advice here.


Yes I'm in floods of tears! Can I just ask what you hope to achieve by "dishing it back"?

If I were you I'd think about what makes David get so upset with me and has been for months!


We seem to be back to the "he started it, not me" argument! I'm sure you don't need me to point out the problems with such an argument. I'd advise you not to use it again unless you really are 12 years old!

It's been time for some straight talking long enough, David had this coming. Is it ok for him to talk abruptly and harshly but for no one to retaliate? One rule for HITers one for everyone else huh?


I thought I advised you not to use this argument again!

Are you not a HITer then Natty? Why do you spend such a long time on a HIT forum then? Are you interested in learning about HIT techniques?

I'm all up for intense exercise!


Great! What do you want to learn about HIT? Perhaps I can help?

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mentzerfan

Natty wrote:
Landau has been abrasive, rude, insulting, obnoxious on this forum for ages yet for once he's on the end of some plain straight talking and already two other members come out the wood work to his "rescue" how freakin hilarious!


If you don't want anyone else to be involved then perhaps you should have PM'd Dave about your "issues" and kept it off the board.

I didn't realise I needed your permission to post here! I support Dave Landau because I know people who like him a lot and I appreciate his passion and knowledge for HIT.

I know absolutely nothing about you or what your views are. Who would you support if you were in my situation?

If you think this is "freaking hilarious" then you really need something else in your life. Join a dating site and find a nice woman! You'll soon find that words you don't like on an internet message board such as this are not important enough to get so frenzied about.
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mentzerfan

entsminger wrote:

==Scott==
Ok Mentzer fan or anyone else out there, if Landau or anyone else for that matter is really interested in Arthur Jones so much how come non of you come to the Arthur Jones message board where it's all about Jones and pretty much nothing else??????? I think alot of you guys just like to fuss and fume at each other more than just talking about Jones or Dardens principles or any other relivant HIT ideas for that matter.Just discussing issues in a calm and friendly manner and sticking to the intended posts point and finding a solution isn't quite as entertaining is it? It's the attacking each other aspect of this board that's really where it's at, isn't it?


Scott, Im not sure if you're spamming for your own board or you're giving an opinion here!

Good luck to you either way!

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N@tural1

mentzerfan.

You type a lot but don't really say too much. It boils down to this. Everyone can swear, insult, be obnoxious, anti social etc.. so long they support HIT that's acceptable, nothing is said. When finally I respond (in a lesser fashion I may add and after ignoring it for months) you'll pick me up on it. How very sad, pityfull, I'm glad to see that double standards are still reigning supreme in HIT world.

Ask yourself, what does Landau hope to gain from this "shouting" match or does not the same question apply here?

Remember you said here, better to talk to someone that feels passionate about his beliefs, you use this to defend Landaus posting style yet condemn me for the same thing.. Hypocrite.

mentzerfan wrote:
If you don't want anyone else to be involved then perhaps you should have PM'd Dave about your "issues" and kept it off the board.


Anyone can "get involved" I just find it hilarious how you jump to Landaus defense when he is on the end of some hard talk when he's been dishing it out for months. Double standards anyone?

mentzerfan wrote:
I didn't realise I needed your permission to post here!


Who said you did? Apparently, you think I need yours.

mentzerfan wrote:
You'll soon find that words you don't like on an internet message board such as this are not important enough to get so frenzied about.


Does this apply to David also? or any other vocal HITer?

Go contribute something actually training related to the board if you wish to communicate with the grown ups.

LOL @ the faithful legion of HITers coming to Landaus rescue because he got his arse handed to him.

mentzerfan wrote:
If it makes you happy to "show him up" then I feel really sorry for you and the terrible life you must be leading.


WTF has a debate here and my actual life got to with anything? What is it with HITers and this "my life must be so crap because I debate here" if it makes you feel better to think I have such an awful life by all means think it LMAO.

Oh and finally:

mentzerfan wrote:
If you think somebody you have never met and know nothing about is "closed minded and obnoxious" then that would make your opinion closed minded and obnoxious


I've communicated with David for many months over many things, he's made his position very clear. Closed minded, dogmatic, bias, agenda all apply. Or am I not supposed to take him at his word just because I've not met him.. LOL you can do better.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Landau wrote:
...Artery size increases, too. You
would think that this would prevent the arteries from clogging. While it
does slow the rate of clogging, because it takes more time to fill a bigger
diameter, it doesn?t stop the heart attack ? it just delays it somewhat. More
mitochondria are produced in the cells, too, but this doesn?t increase oxygen
transfer, either. These reasons explain precisely why marathon runners die
of heart attacks. Arterial clogging still occurs during training.

David,
I don't think so; the marathon runners dropping dead from heart attacks generally have squeaky clean arteries; inflammation from the excessive training closes them up better then plaque (it's the biggest cause of heart attacks btw, not arterial plaque).

Good post in general; lots of informative stuff. Also, you mentioned the dangers of too much carbs somewhere in there - I think muscle building athletes have a considerable advantage in that regard; muscle soaks up sugar (so in addition to increasing metabolism, carbs are specifically less likely to convert to fat as the athlete gains muscle).
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Benjamin Dover

southbeach wrote:
to put the icing on the cake,

http://findarticles.com/...3/ai_n24264131/

Live long and perspire: exercise may slow aging at chromosomal level

The long-observed association between exercise and a slightly longer life span may have its origins in DNA maintenance, a new study finds. Researchers report that the ends of chromosomes hold up better in active people than in sedentary individuals, possibly extending cell life and contributing to overall survival.

Those who reported regular moderate-to-vigorous exercise of more than 3 hours per week had telomeres markedly longer than did the least active individuals, researchers report in the Jan. 28 Archives of Internal Medicine.

"Really active people had the telomeres of someone 10 years younger" says Spector. He notes that "gentle walking wouldn't count as exercise."


welcome to the 21st century ;)


Doesn't "health" give one an increased capacity for exercise? Wouldn't poor "health" reduce ones capacity for exercise? Wouldn't a "healthy" individual live longer than an individual cursed with poor "health"? The above isn't exactly icing, more 3 week old milk fit for the dustbin.

Natural selection? Chicken or egg?

And the obvious question (staying with the theme of the thread): Why RUNNING as an exercise choice? Why? Because walking doesn't count? Power walking? Jogging? Running? Sprinting? Why discriminate...? Perhaps the word INTENSITY is the key? Just guessing.

21st century? Back to the future. Running or 70's style Nautilus? Am I viewing a HIT forum? I sometimes wonder.

The above study specifies 3 hours weekly. A recent British study specified 30 seconds of intense exercise performed every other day. One study says one thing, another something else. What should we do? Something different every week? Apply logic.

And Numpty, you complete moron. NONE of my clients perform TRADITIONAL cardio. NOT ONE. They use NAUTILUS MACHINES in a fashion designed to improve aerobic capacity, metabolic condition, muscular strength and systemic, cumulative inroad. Like I said before chubs, it's over your head.


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Benjamin Dover

Natty wrote:
LOL @ the faithful legion of HITers coming to Landaus rescue because he got his arse handed to him.


You wouldn't understand. They are know by the term FRIENDS. People (real ones), who have a personal acquaintance and share common values...FRIENDS. You should get some.

Arse handed to him? By you? Doubtful. You aren't exactly sure how to find your own! Numpty.

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frostyF

Arkansas, USA

Want to stress and heart your lungs? Take up smoking.
Want to stress your liver? Take up drinking to excess.
Want to stress your body in a beneficial way? Take up high intensity strength training.
Leon
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N@tural1

JamesT wrote:
And Numpty, you complete moron. NONE of my clients perform TRADITIONAL cardio. NOT ONE. They use NAUTILUS MACHINES in a fashion designed to improve aerobic capacity, metabolic condition, muscular strength and systemic, cumulative inroad. Like I said before chubs, it's over your head.


I got that from your first description of what you have your clients do. You did say muscle resistance exercises with short breaks between lifts.. The point I am highlighting is that you do get your clients to perform a FORM of cardio as you're aware of the benefits.

Thx for helping further to own Landau. There you go David, JamesT has said it himself.

JamesT wrote:
They use NAUTILUS MACHINES in a fashion designed to improve aerobic capacity.


James is saying that cardio improves aerobic capacity, isn't that along the lines of what I've been saying! Seems James as much as he would like to defend you, actually agrees with me.

According to Landau there is no aerobic improvement from cardio. You boys need to get your views in sync before you debate on the same side.
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