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FortCollinsFan

Hey I'm looking for some advice on how to lower my LDL and raise my HDL. I am involved in the Pharma industry and have done the research and marketing on the strongest Statin in the marketplace. I am looking for an alternative to drug therapy.

My situation is this,I'm 6'1", I went from 240lbs to 194lbs, my goal was 210lbs but now I wanna hit 190lbs. So after losing this amount of weight my dr. was sure my blood #s would come back "normal", well the crap hit the fan. Total Chol:255 LDL:183 HDL:40 Trigs:160, WTF!!!!!!!

My numbers have never been this bad. When I was 240lbs my numbers were just at the risk level, when I was a skinny bastard in High School my numbers were high. This puzzles me. I did a Low Carb Diet to drop weight, took me two months, I took my cheat meals when I felt they were necessary. My thing is at 240lbs I was big but not that fat. I had a stomach(read gut) but really not out of wack.

My reason to drop was for my health and joints. Did I lose muscle, hell yeah but that was to be expected, 46lbs is 46lbs.

So my question is does anyone have any advice on natural remedies or diets that have worked for them?

FCF
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southbeach

shitty #'s huh.. wonder what caused that?

try dean ornish
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Nautilus1975

Niacin if tolerated....


Possibly fish oil


Red Yeast Rice - but you can get into trouble with this just like a statin - plus some say the natural methods are just "snake oil" anyways -


Niacin is probably the best -

Oatmeal

Grapefruit


If exercise and diet won't do it you just have one of those systems that makes too much chloresterol - Don't drink alcohol - that just makes it worse.....
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southbeach

that crap ain't gonna do anything for seriously high #'s.

seek competent med advice, if you can't give up your meat fetish :\
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chasbari

Ohio, USA

I dare you to go paleo for a time. My numbers are great after doing so for my celiac.
VLDL 16
HDL 35
Chol/HDL ratio 4.1
LDL 94

Paleo as outlined by Lee Cordain is what I am using.
Chuck
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chasbari

Ohio, USA

southbeach wrote:
that crap ain't gonna do anything for seriously high #'s.

seek competent med advice, if you can't give up your meat fetish :\


Oops, sorry I missed reading this before I posted ...I was busy running out to the grill to get my lunch... mmmmmmm..
CS
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southbeach

LDL 94 is too high. your HDL is too low (considering your LDL)

what's your TOTAL CHOLESTEROL and TRI?.
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chasbari

Ohio, USA

Total
145
Tri 82
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southbeach

eek.. try dean ornish to get those #'s down :O
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WesH

FCF, Chuck may be right on the money with the paleo. I'm just starting it, but a few of my friends have had great success in the cholesterol dept with that diet.
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HeavyHitter32

Trigs are a bit high at 160. Time to cut out more simple sugar from your diet.
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FortCollinsFan

Nautilus1975 wrote:
Niacin if tolerated....


Possibly fish oil


Red Yeast Rice - but you can get into trouble with this just like a statin - plus some say the natural methods are just "snake oil" anyways -


Niacin is probably the best -

Oatmeal

Grapefruit


If exercise and diet won't do it you just have one of those systems that makes too much chloresterol - Don't drink alcohol - that just makes it worse.....


Thanks, What dose of Niacin do u recommend? What form Niacin, Niacinamide etc.?

I do believe in Niaspan(Rx version of Niacin, 2 grams(2000mgs) but I worry about my liver.

Thanks to everybody for their speedy advice. Paleo is an option,Ornish has it's merits. I just feel f__king great on this Low Carb Plan. I stopped my Fish Oil intake b/c of the fear of raising my LDL, I was taking in 8 grams a day. I prob should go back on.

Chas-Would love to hear about your typical day on the Paleo Diet.

Since my work experience exposes me to the downside of Statins, ie Rhabdo/Low Test/Cancer, I have a feeling that I may start to use a super low dose, to see what effect this has on my LDL.

The reason behind my bad numbers is genetic. Do I eat red meat and things that had names? Yeah all the time. Could I live on Ornish's plan, Prob yes.

Would love to hear what everybody else thinks.

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JimBryan

Florida, USA

FCF,

My HDL tends to be low. I talked to Doc Ken and he recommended niacin. I got some from walMart and it worked! For about three years everything was fine but finally I couldn't take it anymore. Made me break out in a serious rash. Your HDL at 40 is right on the border. My LDL goes up slightly when I eat mainly Steak and Hamburger. When I cut back and eat oatmeal and chicken, turkey, and fish I seem to be OK. Just the same My Dr. put me on a low Statin dose because I love steak and ground beef. So I am good and then fall off the wagon and hit all the BBQ places I can. I also found that when I was running for Boxing, that kept my LDL very low. Don't run anymore because of worn knee joints. Good luck!
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FortCollinsFan

Jim thanks for your advice. Yeah BBQ is a must have on this Low Carb plan. I just get my brisket and ribs with dry rub or naked. A world without red meat is a world I do not want to know. How much niacin were you taking? What Statin and how many mgs?

Thanks for ur input.

FCF
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Tomislav

New York, USA

FortCollinsFan,

I think the fish oil is a good idea; also think perhaps adding butter, whole eggs and whole milk back to your diet if you've removed these can actually help by raising HDL and escalating T thus increasing metabolism (two pathways). Just my opinion, I've seen farmers taken off butter and put on hydrogenated soya oil (margarine) to resolve cholesterol issues - think that causes problems; curious what exactly did you cut out of your reducing diet?

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chevyex

Dr. Eades of Protein Power talked about this very thing in his last blog.
proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/low-
carbohydrate-diets-increase-ldl-debunking-the-myth/

Hope it helps
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FortCollinsFan

chevyex wrote:
Dr. Eades of Protein Power talked about this very thing in his last blog.
proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/low-
carbohydrate-diets-increase-ldl-debunking-the-myth/

Hope it helps


Yeah Chevyex I read this online today Thxs. Tomislav I just cut out all carbs, ie breads/pasta/sugar. The water goes first then the fat. The farmer advice sounds good if we lived in an unprocessed nonpasturized world. Today's diary products are subpar at best.

FCF

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Nautilus1975

FortCollinsFan wrote:
Thanks, What dose of Niacin do u recommend? What form Niacin, Niacinamide etc.?

I do believe in Niaspan(Rx version of Niacin, 2 grams(2000mgs) but I worry about my liver.



Whatever the dosage is for your size and I think the regular type - not the non flushing - is reported to be the best....

If you flush or break out then it is out of the question - I would worry about the liver too - especially if you drink

I would consult a qualified nutritionalist and doctor before doing any of this crap
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JimBryan

Florida, USA

FortCollinsFan wrote:
Jim thanks for your advice. Yeah BBQ is a must have on this Low Carb plan. I just get my brisket and ribs with dry rub or naked. A world without red meat is a world I do not want to know. How much niacin were you taking? What Statin and how many mgs?

Thanks for ur input.

FCF


I take 10 mg. of Simvastatin (Zocor) a day. The Niacin was just off the shelf from Walmart. The only thing I remember is that it wasn't "time-released." My HDL shot up 4 points. They always laugh and tell me I need to "exercise." but then qualify by saying "Cardio." I do both.

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the_iron_goose

FortCollinsFan wrote:
Hey I'm looking for some advice on how to lower my LDL and raise my HDL. I am involved in the Pharma industry and have done the research and marketing on the strongest Statin in the marketplace. I am looking for an alternative to drug therapy.

My situation is this,I'm 6'1", I went from 240lbs to 194lbs, my goal was 210lbs but now I wanna hit 190lbs. So after losing this amount of weight my dr. was sure my blood #s would come back "normal", well the crap hit the fan. Total Chol:255 LDL:183 HDL:40 Trigs:160, WTF!!!!!!!

My numbers have never been this bad. When I was 240lbs my numbers were just at the risk level, when I was a skinny bastard in High School my numbers were high. This puzzles me. I did a Low Carb Diet to drop weight, took me two months, I took my cheat meals when I felt they were necessary. My thing is at 240lbs I was big but not that fat. I had a stomach(read gut) but really not out of wack.

My reason to drop was for my health and joints. Did I lose muscle, hell yeah but that was to be expected, 46lbs is 46lbs.

So my question is does anyone have any advice on natural remedies or diets that have worked for them?

FCF


I've always said health is not directly related to bodyweight or even body fat, but few listen or believe it. Fact is changing weight fast is just about always a bad thing. Actually contrary to popular opinion the one exception is probably growing and that's about the only time that changing weight fast has no consequences and the change is an INCREASE. Of course, it's regulated by DNA so all systems GENERALLY are intertwined in the process and so there are zero ill effects.
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the_iron_goose

I applaud your honesty.
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the_iron_goose

There is nothing wrong with A low carb diet. I'm not familiar with THE low carb diet. But what you did is insane -losing all that weight AND muscle in that period of time is insane.

Even Darden in one of his books points out that in cases where you have to lose a lot of weight, you should plan that it's going to take MONTHS not weeks...Darden agrees with me....although he doesn't mention me or say it quite this way.
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the_iron_goose

One can only ask, "Didn't you feel hungry ????" Any sane person would eat..less...but eat !
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Hello Andrew.

I have had a few people ask me how to fix there numbers in this regard.

Subject A.
Started eating 10-12 raw eggs a day. Every day. The docter checked him out and told him that his cholesterol levels were finally healthy and wanted to know what he was doing. He told the docter about the eggs and the docter told him it was very dangerous and gave him the Canadian food guide. He also got him to come back in a month later for a recheck. Recheck confirmed even better improvements. The docter asked if he had made the changes. My friend said he had continued with the eggs. The docter conceeded although he did not understand it, it was working and to continue. Atleast I understand it. lol.

Subject 2.
average shape for most of there life, now in very good shape. Always had slightly elevated numbers due to large amounts of cold cuts in there diet, along with too many sweets. This person started eating a dozen raw eggs a week.
Again the docter was very scared by this and ordered a blood test. Blood test confirmed great improvements and was now in a NO RISK category for heart problems. If these subjects give me permission I will post exact numbers.

I'd read muscle smoke and mirrors Andrew. Talks about the Lipid hypothesis that goes back to the late 60's. All been disproved but still known as fact in the medical community.
Reminds me of the fight AJ started against irrational training.

Moral of the story, start popping some raw eggs from free range chickens. Preferably one's not fed soy.

Michael
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TBoneMitch

Quebec, CAN

Mike, I fully agree with you.

Natural fats will help blood lipids.

If you are interested in the details of the Lipid Hypothesis and the total debunking thereof, read 'The Cholesterol Conspiracy' by Russell Smith PhD and Edward Pickney MD.

Very thorough and exhaustive (more than 2500 references).
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