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jack32

http://www.xtranormal.com/watc...
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Waynes

Switzerland

Very very good ROL. Seems like I am getting famous in the World of animation.

Wayne
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jack32

Wayne is very "terminator like" taking on the big boy hitters.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!


I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate
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Terry Carter

Georgia, USA

Great job, I am glad that you could make Waynes "roll out loud".
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Waynes

Switzerland



natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate


To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne
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Landau

Florida, USA

So This is GD Science?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ


......and the Laboratory Music to Boot - Do You Still Know How Stupid You Really Are? The Video Stands.
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Waynes

Switzerland


Landau wrote:
So This is GD Science?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ


......and the Laboratory Music to Boot - Do You Still Know How Stupid You Really Are? The Video Stands.


What you and many fail to do, is say without mocking, what you think is wrong with the way I train and why ???

As I proved on my thread, I use more force, strength, power, accumulated poundage moved in the same time frame than you do on a slower rep, and there is no off loading but on loading. I also use the muscle fibers differently and more productively than you.

I have proved this, so ???

All I see is mostly very slim people that train HIT.

So its not that I am stupid at all, its quite a lot of you are, as mocking and being childish cannot, and does not make you anywhere near right, it makes you even more wrong than you are.

The thing that gets me is that surely most get what I say, if not why ??? Please say why ??? And I will explain.

Wayne
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thebiggfella

Both those videos are hilarious in their own ways. I'm just sorry the end was cut off the pullover one, where Mr. 'Knowledgeable' is seeking forgiveness from the almighty Bio-Force. That bit was even funnier than the video itself.
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thebiggfella

Waynes wrote:


As I proved on my thread, I use more force, strength, power, accumulated poundage moved in the same time frame than you do on a slower rep, and there is no off loading but on loading. I also use the muscle fibers differently and more productively than you.



Prove it with some decent photos and video. Mindless jibber-jabber proves nothing.

Then we'll put your photos beside the 'slim HITers' on here for folk to judge who looks best.

Surely you'd be up for this, what with all the 'progress' you've made.
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sgsims1

thebiggfella wrote:
Both those videos are hilarious in their own ways. I'm just sorry the end was cut off the pullover one, where Mr. 'Knowledgeable' is seeking forgiveness from the almighty Bio-Force. That bit was even funnier than the video itself.


Say it isn't so!!! That was the best part..."John...John....John...xoxox"

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jack32

Terry,
Sorry you didn't make the cut. Next rant will be a callout of all the HIT teachers... yourself,AJ,Dr D., Dr.Ken, Joe Mullen, etc...
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robinn3403

Waynes wrote:

Landau wrote:
So This is GD Science?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ


......and the Laboratory Music to Boot - Do You Still Know How Stupid You Really Are? The Video Stands.

What you and many fail to do, is say without mocking, what you think is wrong with the way I train and why ???

As I proved on my thread, I use more force, strength, power, accumulated poundage moved in the same time frame than you do on a slower rep, and there is no off loading but on loading. I also use the muscle fibers differently and more productively than you.

I have proved this, so ???

All I see is mostly very slim people that train HIT.

So its not that I am stupid at all, its quite a lot of you are, as mocking and being childish cannot, and does not make you anywhere near right, it makes you even more wrong than you are.

The thing that gets me is that surely most get what I say, if not why ??? Please say why ??? And I will explain.

Wayne


Wayne, Rob here. A few days ago I asked you about '...how you figured that fast reps were better than slow reps.....'
You response was confusing to say the least but is this video an example of what you were trying to get across to me? Is this you and how you train?
Thanks!
Rob
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

Waynes wrote:


natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate

To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne


Some people use science to back up what they're doing, and why they're doing it. If you don't use science to prove what you're doing is the best, that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make you stupid. You clearly feel very strongly about the way you train. That's great! You use science/physics to back it up. Great! I understand you have a passion for working out the way that you do. I don't have the scientific answers to your questions because I simply don't have the time/energy to search through research papers to find it. To be honest, I don't care about the research papers.

The point is Wayne, this type of training has worked for many years to produce the results that I am looking for. I don't feel the need to prove it with science/physics. No one owes you an explanation of why we choose HIT as a training method.

Oh..and us not knowing anything about "hard high intensity"...I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it's kind of like telling someone they don't know anything about painting without seeing any of their work.

Nate
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RX Fitness

New York, USA

natemason5 wrote:
Waynes wrote:


natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate

To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne


Some people use science to back up what they're doing, and why they're doing it. If you don't use science to prove what you're doing is the best, that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make you stupid. You clearly feel very strongly about the way you train. That's great! You use science/physics to back it up. Great! I understand you have a passion for working out the way that you do. I don't have the scientific answers to your questions because I simply don't have the time/energy to search through research papers to find it. To be honest, I don't care about the research papers.

The point is Wayne, this type of training has worked for many years to produce the results that I am looking for. I don't feel the need to prove it with science/physics. No one owes you an explanation of why we choose HIT as a training method.

Oh..and us not knowing anything about "hard high intensity"...I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it's kind of like telling someone they don't know anything about painting without seeing any of their work.

Nate


Bravo!
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SteveHIT

natemason5 wrote:
Waynes wrote:


natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate

To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne


Some people use science to back up what they're doing, and why they're doing it. If you don't use science to prove what you're doing is the best, that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make you stupid. You clearly feel very strongly about the way you train. That's great! You use science/physics to back it up. Great! I understand you have a passion for working out the way that you do. I don't have the scientific answers to your questions because I simply don't have the time/energy to search through research papers to find it. To be honest, I don't care about the research papers.

The point is Wayne, this type of training has worked for many years to produce the results that I am looking for. I don't feel the need to prove it with science/physics. No one owes you an explanation of why we choose HIT as a training method.

Oh..and us not knowing anything about "hard high intensity"...I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it's kind of like telling someone they don't know anything about painting without seeing any of their work.

Nate


Good Post!
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Waynes

Switzerland

robinn3403 wrote:
Waynes wrote:

Landau wrote:
So This is GD Science?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ


......and the Laboratory Music to Boot - Do You Still Know How Stupid You Really Are? The Video Stands.

What you and many fail to do, is say without mocking, what you think is wrong with the way I train and why ???

As I proved on my thread, I use more force, strength, power, accumulated poundage moved in the same time frame than you do on a slower rep, and there is no off loading but on loading. I also use the muscle fibers differently and more productively than you.

I have proved this, so ???

All I see is mostly very slim people that train HIT.

So its not that I am stupid at all, its quite a lot of you are, as mocking and being childish cannot, and does not make you anywhere near right, it makes you even more wrong than you are.

The thing that gets me is that surely most get what I say, if not why ??? Please say why ??? And I will explain.

Wayne


Wayne, Rob here. A few days ago I asked you about '...how you figured that fast reps were better than slow reps.....'
You response was confusing to say the least but is this video an example of what you were trying to get across to me? Is this you and how you train?
Thanks!
Rob


Could you tell me what you found confusing, or what part please ??? But I will try and simplify things in my next post.

That video was taken several months after I have gone from training slow reps to faster ones, so looking at it not its not as good as a representation as I would like to think.

Try this one, Jeffs benchs and Johns pulldowns at 2.40 are far more like I train now.

The video of me is not a very good representation either, as the ratio is out, if you noted on Turpins video the other day, it made shorter and more muscled than he is, my video made me look the opposite, a little taller and slimmer than I am.

I am about 5 foot 8 inches, 47 chest and 16 inch arms.

Wayne

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coomo

Waynes wrote:
robinn3403 wrote:
Waynes wrote:

Landau wrote:
So This is GD Science?

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ


......and the Laboratory Music to Boot - Do You Still Know How Stupid You Really Are? The Video Stands.

What you and many fail to do, is say without mocking, what you think is wrong with the way I train and why ???

As I proved on my thread, I use more force, strength, power, accumulated poundage moved in the same time frame than you do on a slower rep, and there is no off loading but on loading. I also use the muscle fibers differently and more productively than you.

I have proved this, so ???

All I see is mostly very slim people that train HIT.

So its not that I am stupid at all, its quite a lot of you are, as mocking and being childish cannot, and does not make you anywhere near right, it makes you even more wrong than you are.

The thing that gets me is that surely most get what I say, if not why ??? Please say why ??? And I will explain.

Wayne


Wayne, Rob here. A few days ago I asked you about '...how you figured that fast reps were better than slow reps.....'
You response was confusing to say the least but is this video an example of what you were trying to get across to me? Is this you and how you train?
Thanks!
Rob

Could you tell me what you found confusing, or what part please ??? But I will try and simplify things in my next post.

That video was taken several months after I have gone from training slow reps to faster ones, so looking at it not its not as good as a representation as I would like to think.

Try this one, Jeffs benchs and Johns pulldowns at 2.40 are far more like I train now.

The video of me is not a very good representation either, as the ratio is out, if you noted on Turpins video the other day, it made shorter and more muscled than he is, my video made me look the opposite, a little taller and slimmer than I am.

I am about 5 foot 8 inches, 47 chest and 16 inch arms.

Wayne



Actually wayne, i thought your video was an excellent representation.
That is if you wanted to present an image of some mental halwit, in his attic pleading for forgiveness from some bloke whos 5000 miles away who youve never met.Top job!

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thebiggfella

Waynes wrote:
The video of me is not a very good representation either, as the ratio is out, if you noted on Turpins video the other day, it made shorter and more muscled than he is, my video made me look the opposite, a little taller and slimmer than I am.


So the video makes you look smaller than you are? Post one with the correct aspect ratio along with some photos to give a proper representation of your physique.

Waynes wrote:
I am about 5 foot 8 inches, 47 chest and 16 inch arms.


This is meaningless without photos. You could be a short, fat bloke with those measurements.

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Waynes

Switzerland

natemason5 wrote:
Waynes wrote:


natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate

To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne


Hi natemason5 and all,

Well at least someone has made an attempt, thank you.

natemason5 wrote:
Some people use science to back up what they're doing, and why they're doing it.


I like to back up training with science, but also have posted many strength feats that I have done, and when I get round to it will post a photo.

I think in this day and age, that we should back up what we are doing by science; otherwise you could spend decades just trying to find out what works the best. Nearly all things in this Universe can be worked out by science, and when you have the answers science tells you, its all far easier.

I mean without science, you would not be on your computer, you would not be wearing the cloths you are, and humans would not have the knowledge to make weight plates or barbells, thus you would not be training at all.

natemason5 wrote:
If you don't use science to prove what you're doing is the best, that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make you stupid.


Hmm, I am not sure about that, as I have seen lots train, and they would be better reading a few books that have a bit of science in them. But you have not got to use science, or even think about how you train, but surely its far far far better to learn on what you are doing, and that goes for any subject. What if you had not ever done any building work, and put up a wall without a foundation, it would not last very long, and at first you might think it was the way you built the wall, so next time you built it a little different, but it keep falling down every time, and this went on for years. But if you asked about, read some books, you would have asked around, your wall would be still up, and you might even be advanced enough to build a house.

Never said it made you stupid, but in life, I like the best, or maybe I should say the most efficient way to do things, I like to do things right, I am a very proud person.

natemason5 wrote:
You clearly feel very strongly about the way you train. That's great!


Yes I do, and its not only me. As when you try it, after a few weeks you just know you are doing something very special indeed, as you just progress, progress and progress, and after several months you just cannot believe the kinds of poundage your moving. You also see and feel yourself growing, its VERY hard, but some much fun at the same time, I feel like I did the first time I hit the weights when I was younger, and we all know the buzz of those days. I could go on but best not.

My only regret is that I fell out with John, I feel more bad then he may realise, but whats done is done, but at least there are now lots who have done Johns trying, I have that to maybe make up for losing one of the best friends I ever had, or maybe I should have said he would have been one of the best friend.

natemason5 wrote:
You use science/physics to back it up. Great! I understand you have a passion for working out the way that you do. I don't have the scientific answers to your questions because I simply don't have the time/energy to search through research papers to find it. To be honest, I don't care about the research papers.


Maybe you should care, as I trained for nearly 15 years, with not that much to show for it, if I had stopped training and looked into things I would not have waited so much time. Put it this way, say you spend 2 hours training per week, and in two years you add 8 pounds on muscle to your body, and then you find it hard to make any progress, but if you had took just 8 of those hours off training, and went quite deep into the subject, maybe you could add 30 pounds on muscle to your body in two years.

Question,
Let us try and make it a bit more simple, basically we need to lift heaver and heavier weights for us to grow, so why not use all your strength/force when lifting, why hold back ??? Why train with less strength/force and make your training far lower in intensity that it is ???

I mean if you wanted to hurt someone with a punch, would not you punch as hard as you could ???

natemason5 wrote:
The point is Wayne, this type of training has worked for many years to produce the results that I am looking for. I don't feel the need to prove it with science/physics. No one owes you an explanation of why we choose HIT as a training method.


What results have you had, how much muscle, and what are your starting weights for rep and to date ???

Most I see on this forum do not look much like if they train at all. And there are lots who just diet down, thats weightwatchers, its not bodybuilding you building muscle, its losing fat.

I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO STOP DOING HIT AND TRAIN MY WAY, I AM ONLY TRYING TO GIVE SOME ADVICE ON WHAT SEMS TO WORK FAR BETTER, IS IT WRONG TO HELP YOU REACH THE SAME DREAMS AS I HAVE, AS YOU HAVE THEM TOO.

natemason5 wrote:
Oh..and us not knowing anything about "hard high intensity"...I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it's kind of like telling someone they don't know anything about painting without seeing any of their work.

Nate


I did HIT for about 15 years, I know how hard it FEELS, but why do you think that a very deep burn, and mental hardness for roughly 60 seconds is going to make you grow ??? I mean a marathon is VERY hard, but its NOT going to build you any muscle.

What you are doing in a SSSTF, is one low effort and strength/force from the start of the rep, in other words you holding back, this will NOT be working the fast muscle fibers as they should/need to be worked, and these muscle fibers are the ones with about 85% of the growth.

You are working the slow muscle fiber and the fast muscle fibers in a more endurance/aerobic way and then at the end of a set, you put up the highest effort, when you are at your weakest, when you have hardily force/strength left, this drains the muscles in the wrong way, and plays on your CNS, and as its very hard mentally, this also plays on your CNS.

But as I have proved over at my thread, the effort, forces, strengths, powers, tensions and a few other things are far far far higher one the kind of reps/sets that I do, but still some still carry on doing what they are doing, I call this either madness, dumbness or stubbornness.

And as of my thread, they cannot even say why they will not stop doing what they are doing and change, and they cannot even say why they are doing what they are doing. I know how hard it is to say you are wrong, and how hard it is to change, and I AM one of the stubborn persons you will ever meet, but I changed, and not only am I far far far stronger and bigger, but my knowledge has gone thought the roof, and I have a huge mental high all the times.

Thank you for your reply.

As I said before, I do really love you all, even you David ROL, and maybe I get on some of your nerves, but its not really intended, as believe it or not I am only trying to help, and after the several PMs, I have helped, and they have helped and learnt me along the way.

Wayne the pain signing off.

Wayne

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gerry-hitman

Waynes wrote:
natemason5 wrote:
Waynes wrote:


natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate

To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne

Hi natemason5 and all,

Well at least someone has made an attempt, thank you.

natemason5 wrote:
Some people use science to back up what they're doing, and why they're doing it.

I like to back up training with science, but also have posted many strength feats that I have done, and when I get round to it will post a photo.

I think in this day and age, that we should back up what we are doing by science; otherwise you could spend decades just trying to find out what works the best. Nearly all things in this Universe can be worked out by science, and when you have the answers science tells you, its all far easier.

I mean without science, you would not be on your computer, you would not be wearing the cloths you are, and humans would not have the knowledge to make weight plates or barbells, thus you would not be training at all.

natemason5 wrote:
If you don't use science to prove what you're doing is the best, that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make you stupid.

Hmm, I am not sure about that, as I have seen lots train, and they would be better reading a few books that have a bit of science in them. But you have not got to use science, or even think about how you train, but surely its far far far better to learn on what you are doing, and that goes for any subject. What if you had not ever done any building work, and put up a wall without a foundation, it would not last very long, and at first you might think it was the way you built the wall, so next time you built it a little different, but it keep falling down every time, and this went on for years. But if you asked about, read some books, you would have asked around, your wall would be still up, and you might even be advanced enough to build a house.

Never said it made you stupid, but in life, I like the best, or maybe I should say the most efficient way to do things, I like to do things right, I am a very proud person.

natemason5 wrote:
You clearly feel very strongly about the way you train. That's great!

Yes I do, and its not only me. As when you try it, after a few weeks you just know you are doing something very special indeed, as you just progress, progress and progress, and after several months you just cannot believe the kinds of poundage your moving. You also see and feel yourself growing, its VERY hard, but some much fun at the same time, I feel like I did the first time I hit the weights when I was younger, and we all know the buzz of those days. I could go on but best not.

My only regret is that I fell out with John, I feel more bad then he may realise, but whats done is done, but at least there are now lots who have done Johns trying, I have that to maybe make up for losing one of the best friends I ever had, or maybe I should have said he would have been one of the best friend.

natemason5 wrote:
You use science/physics to back it up. Great! I understand you have a passion for working out the way that you do. I don't have the scientific answers to your questions because I simply don't have the time/energy to search through research papers to find it. To be honest, I don't care about the research papers.

Maybe you should care, as I trained for nearly 15 years, with not that much to show for it, if I had stopped training and looked into things I would not have waited so much time. Put it this way, say you spend 2 hours training per week, and in two years you add 8 pounds on muscle to your body, and then you find it hard to make any progress, but if you had took just 8 of those hours off training, and went quite deep into the subject, maybe you could add 30 pounds on muscle to your body in two years.

Question,
Let us try and make it a bit more simple, basically we need to lift heaver and heavier weights for us to grow, so why not use all your strength/force when lifting, why hold back ??? Why train with less strength/force and make your training far lower in intensity that it is ???

I mean if you wanted to hurt someone with a punch, would not you punch as hard as you could ???

natemason5 wrote:
The point is Wayne, this type of training has worked for many years to produce the results that I am looking for. I don't feel the need to prove it with science/physics. No one owes you an explanation of why we choose HIT as a training method.

What results have you had, how much muscle, and what are your starting weights for rep and to date ???

Most I see on this forum do not look much like if they train at all. And there are lots who just diet down, thats weightwatchers, its not bodybuilding you building muscle, its losing fat.

I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO STOP DOING HIT AND TRAIN MY WAY, I AM ONLY TRYING TO GIVE SOME ADVICE ON WHAT SEMS TO WORK FAR BETTER, IS IT WRONG TO HELP YOU REACH THE SAME DREAMS AS I HAVE, AS YOU HAVE THEM TOO.

natemason5 wrote:
Oh..and us not knowing anything about "hard high intensity"...I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it's kind of like telling someone they don't know anything about painting without seeing any of their work.

Nate

I did HIT for about 15 years, I know how hard it FEELS, but why do you think that a very deep burn, and mental hardness for roughly 60 seconds is going to make you grow ??? I mean a marathon is VERY hard, but its NOT going to build you any muscle.

What you are doing in a SSSTF, is one low effort and strength/force from the start of the rep, in other words you holding back, this will NOT be working the fast muscle fibers as they should/need to be worked, and these muscle fibers are the ones with about 85% of the growth.

You are working the slow muscle fiber and the fast muscle fibers in a more endurance/aerobic way and then at the end of a set, you put up the highest effort, when you are at your weakest, when you have hardily force/strength left, this drains the muscles in the wrong way, and plays on your CNS, and as its very hard mentally, this also plays on your CNS.

But as I have proved over at my thread, the effort, forces, strengths, powers, tensions and a few other things are far far far higher one the kind of reps/sets that I do, but still some still carry on doing what they are doing, I call this either madness, dumbness or stubbornness.

And as of my thread, they cannot even say why they will not stop doing what they are doing and change, and they cannot even say why they are doing what they are doing. I know how hard it is to say you are wrong, and how hard it is to change, and I AM one of the stubborn persons you will ever meet, but I changed, and not only am I far far far stronger and bigger, but my knowledge has gone thought the roof, and I have a huge mental high all the times.

Thank you for your reply.

As I said before, I do really love you all, even you David ROL, and maybe I get on some of your nerves, but its not really intended, as believe it or not I am only trying to help, and after the several PMs, I have helped, and they have helped and learnt me along the way.

Wayne the pain signing off.

Wayne



Fucking hilarious!

A true representation of what happens to your brain when you train the "Bio-Farce" way!

hahahahaahh!
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Landau

Florida, USA

Waynes wrote:
natemason5 wrote:
Waynes wrote:


natemason5 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I have to say Wayne that you are a good sport about all this ribbing!

I agree. These are hilarious.

Nate

To me its just friendly leg pulling, its part of life, and good fun.

But what get me is when I ask a few questions, no one answers, as they have very limited science related training knowledge, and very limited knowledge of physics, and really on endurance aerobic type training, and the sad thing is they do NOT know why they do it, and they also misunderstand SO badly what hard high intensity is.

Wayne

Hi natemason5 and all,

Well at least someone has made an attempt, thank you.

natemason5 wrote:
Some people use science to back up what they're doing, and why they're doing it.

I like to back up training with science, but also have posted many strength feats that I have done, and when I get round to it will post a photo.

I think in this day and age, that we should back up what we are doing by science; otherwise you could spend decades just trying to find out what works the best. Nearly all things in this Universe can be worked out by science, and when you have the answers science tells you, its all far easier.

I mean without science, you would not be on your computer, you would not be wearing the cloths you are, and humans would not have the knowledge to make weight plates or barbells, thus you would not be training at all.

natemason5 wrote:
If you don't use science to prove what you're doing is the best, that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make you stupid.

Hmm, I am not sure about that, as I have seen lots train, and they would be better reading a few books that have a bit of science in them. But you have not got to use science, or even think about how you train, but surely its far far far better to learn on what you are doing, and that goes for any subject. What if you had not ever done any building work, and put up a wall without a foundation, it would not last very long, and at first you might think it was the way you built the wall, so next time you built it a little different, but it keep falling down every time, and this went on for years. But if you asked about, read some books, you would have asked around, your wall would be still up, and you might even be advanced enough to build a house.

Never said it made you stupid, but in life, I like the best, or maybe I should say the most efficient way to do things, I like to do things right, I am a very proud person.

natemason5 wrote:
You clearly feel very strongly about the way you train. That's great!

Yes I do, and its not only me. As when you try it, after a few weeks you just know you are doing something very special indeed, as you just progress, progress and progress, and after several months you just cannot believe the kinds of poundage your moving. You also see and feel yourself growing, its VERY hard, but some much fun at the same time, I feel like I did the first time I hit the weights when I was younger, and we all know the buzz of those days. I could go on but best not.

My only regret is that I fell out with John, I feel more bad then he may realise, but whats done is done, but at least there are now lots who have done Johns trying, I have that to maybe make up for losing one of the best friends I ever had, or maybe I should have said he would have been one of the best friend.

natemason5 wrote:
You use science/physics to back it up. Great! I understand you have a passion for working out the way that you do. I don't have the scientific answers to your questions because I simply don't have the time/energy to search through research papers to find it. To be honest, I don't care about the research papers.

Maybe you should care, as I trained for nearly 15 years, with not that much to show for it, if I had stopped training and looked into things I would not have waited so much time. Put it this way, say you spend 2 hours training per week, and in two years you add 8 pounds on muscle to your body, and then you find it hard to make any progress, but if you had took just 8 of those hours off training, and went quite deep into the subject, maybe you could add 30 pounds on muscle to your body in two years.

Question,
Let us try and make it a bit more simple, basically we need to lift heaver and heavier weights for us to grow, so why not use all your strength/force when lifting, why hold back ??? Why train with less strength/force and make your training far lower in intensity that it is ???

I mean if you wanted to hurt someone with a punch, would not you punch as hard as you could ???

natemason5 wrote:
The point is Wayne, this type of training has worked for many years to produce the results that I am looking for. I don't feel the need to prove it with science/physics. No one owes you an explanation of why we choose HIT as a training method.

What results have you had, how much muscle, and what are your starting weights for rep and to date ???

Most I see on this forum do not look much like if they train at all. And there are lots who just diet down, thats weightwatchers, its not bodybuilding you building muscle, its losing fat.

I AM NOT TELLING YOU TO STOP DOING HIT AND TRAIN MY WAY, I AM ONLY TRYING TO GIVE SOME ADVICE ON WHAT SEMS TO WORK FAR BETTER, IS IT WRONG TO HELP YOU REACH THE SAME DREAMS AS I HAVE, AS YOU HAVE THEM TOO.

natemason5 wrote:
Oh..and us not knowing anything about "hard high intensity"...I don't know what you're trying to do here, but it's kind of like telling someone they don't know anything about painting without seeing any of their work.

Nate

I did HIT for about 15 years, I know how hard it FEELS, but why do you think that a very deep burn, and mental hardness for roughly 60 seconds is going to make you grow ??? I mean a marathon is VERY hard, but its NOT going to build you any muscle.

What you are doing in a SSSTF, is one low effort and strength/force from the start of the rep, in other words you holding back, this will NOT be working the fast muscle fibers as they should/need to be worked, and these muscle fibers are the ones with about 85% of the growth.

You are working the slow muscle fiber and the fast muscle fibers in a more endurance/aerobic way and then at the end of a set, you put up the highest effort, when you are at your weakest, when you have hardily force/strength left, this drains the muscles in the wrong way, and plays on your CNS, and as its very hard mentally, this also plays on your CNS.

But as I have proved over at my thread, the effort, forces, strengths, powers, tensions and a few other things are far far far higher one the kind of reps/sets that I do, but still some still carry on doing what they are doing, I call this either madness, dumbness or stubbornness.

And as of my thread, they cannot even say why they will not stop doing what they are doing and change, and they cannot even say why they are doing what they are doing. I know how hard it is to say you are wrong, and how hard it is to change, and I AM one of the stubborn persons you will ever meet, but I changed, and not only am I far far far stronger and bigger, but my knowledge has gone thought the roof, and I have a huge mental high all the times.

Thank you for your reply.

As I said before, I do really love you all, even you David ROL, and maybe I get on some of your nerves, but its not really intended, as believe it or not I am only trying to help, and after the several PMs, I have helped, and they have helped and learnt me along the way.

Wayne the pain signing off.

Wayne



Completely Idiotic - YOU CANNOT BE OF HELP TO ANYONE - Pedestrian pedestrian pedestrian - Stupid collectivist bullshit
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robinn3403

Wayne,

To quote Dr. Darden from the Nautilus Advanced BodyBuilding Book,
Chapter 9 Super-Slow Training
Page 83

"The way you perform each repetition of an exercise is one of the most important factored in successful bodybuilding.
Most BB's perform their repetitions too fast and too jerkily. Fast repetitions DO NOT effectively isolate individual muscle groups, and proper isolation is important in complete muscular developement. Furthermore, fast repetitions transfer much of the resistance away from the muscles to the joints and connective tissues. NOT ONLY IS THIS AN UNPRODUCTIVE WAY TO BUILD MUSCLE, IT IS DANGEROUS".

Now Wayne, would you argue with Dr.Darden, Phd? Author of many books on our beloved subject; Was director of research for several years with Nautilus Sports Medical Industries; Has trained 10,000+ indviduals from all walks of life, the gifted & the not so gifted.
What say you "Wayne the Pain"?
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SteveHIT

thebiggfella wrote:
So the video makes you look smaller than you are? Post one with the correct aspect ratio along with some photos to give a proper representation of your physique.


The Big fella has a point, I didnt really want to post a pic, but I did to prove you wrong.

You went from...
If you do have before and after that put your little claim to rest, as no one believes it.

To...
Yes seems like I was wrong, sorry.

Why not prove your doubters wrong?
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