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Waynes

Switzerland

southbeach wrote:
Waynes wrote:
southbeach wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=CqKysjhHopA

Really outside the box..or cutting edge? Polumalu set all kinds of strength records at USC but has done a 180 now.

Marinovich also trained BJ Penn for his latest UFC fight and for the first time ever, BJ had cardio in spades.

why the need to "bounce" off the joints? heavy methodical loads in training can't produce enough force in muscle, tendon, ligament to cause desired adaptation? i don't get it, i really don't get it??



???

The peck forces from any of those movements would be far higher than any kind of slow movement, why should you say it not ???

Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

I dont understand why some of you do not understand basic physics and every day life.

Wayne


the peak forces from bouncing any resistance is MUCH higher and unknown (uncontrollabe). so why do it? why bounce off an injured knee ligament, why not just add more weight and go slower?



So you want to stop the next Olympics taking place ???

So you would stop all sports, stop running, hurdling, gymnastics and all the rest ???

Wayne
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Acerimmer1

In athletics the more momentum or elastic energy you can utilse the better. So I feel that Superslow or even slow and controlled lifting might potentially encourage counter productive motor patterns to some unknown degree.

I'd want to see studies if I were involved in elite level athletics.
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southbeach

Waynes wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Waynes wrote:
southbeach wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=CqKysjhHopA

Really outside the box..or cutting edge? Polumalu set all kinds of strength records at USC but has done a 180 now.

Marinovich also trained BJ Penn for his latest UFC fight and for the first time ever, BJ had cardio in spades.

why the need to "bounce" off the joints? heavy methodical loads in training can't produce enough force in muscle, tendon, ligament to cause desired adaptation? i don't get it, i really don't get it??



???

The peck forces from any of those movements would be far higher than any kind of slow movement, why should you say it not ???

Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

I dont understand why some of you do not understand basic physics and every day life.

Wayne


the peak forces from bouncing any resistance is MUCH higher and unknown (uncontrollabe). so why do it? why bounce off an injured knee ligament, why not just add more weight and go slower?


So you want to stop the next Olympics taking place ???

So you would stop all sports, stop running, hurdling, gymnastics and all the rest ???

Wayne


ya, for health and longevity. but those activities are about glory, less about concerns over health. do you disagree?
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SteveHIT

Waynes wrote:
Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

Wayne


A punch from southbeach wouldnt hurt either way he's only 100lbs soaking wet, and doesnt have the force of a fart in his hardest fastest punch.

I think you and southbeach should have a punch up, Pay per view, and see what happens, I know id pay to see it.
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southbeach

stevehit wrote:
Waynes wrote:
Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

Wayne


A punch from southbeach wouldnt hurt either way he's only 100lbs soaking wet, and doesnt have the force of a fart in his hardest fastest punch.

I think you and southbeach should have a punch up, Pay per view, and see what happens, I know id pay to see it.


your a moron?

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fbcoach

st3 wrote:
BJ recently changed his attitude and started training seriously.

It seems the training worked, however could the same results have been met through safer methodology?

Steve



Yeah..that's true, and it's something to consider, however, he started the serious training right after the Hughes-Penn II fight. And honestly, some of the things I saw in the video don't make a whole lot of sense to me, but Penn's whole camp accredited Marinovich for BJ's new-found conditioning level. The main reason I find some of this interesting is because I have followed Penn's "public" career, and he has made a major leap in his conditioning and appearance. Anyway, I'm not naive enough to think there couldn't be other variables (ergogenic aids) responsible for his improvement, but for the time being, the most anybody can do is take his word on it until proven otherwise.
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Acerimmer1

southbeach wrote:
stevehit wrote:
Waynes wrote:
Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

Wayne


A punch from southbeach wouldnt hurt either way he's only 100lbs soaking wet, and doesnt have the force of a fart in his hardest fastest punch.

I think you and southbeach should have a punch up, Pay per view, and see what happens, I know id pay to see it.

your a moron?



Interesting use of the questionmark?
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fbcoach

Acerimmer1 wrote:
In athletics the more momentum or elastic energy you can utilse the better. So I feel that Superslow or even slow and controlled lifting might potentially encourage counter productive motor patterns to some unknown degree.

I'd want to see studies if I were involved in elite level athletics.


I think that was the reasoning behind past coaches not wanting their athletes to train with weights.
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southbeach

I see nobody can answer the question. i'll state it again:

what does bouncing during training do for injured ligament that simply adding additional weight to a FROM 2/4 heavyset?
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

Waynes wrote:
southbeach wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=CqKysjhHopA

Really outside the box..or cutting edge? Polumalu set all kinds of strength records at USC but has done a 180 now.

Marinovich also trained BJ Penn for his latest UFC fight and for the first time ever, BJ had cardio in spades.

why the need to "bounce" off the joints? heavy methodical loads in training can't produce enough force in muscle, tendon, ligament to cause desired adaptation? i don't get it, i really don't get it??



???

The peck forces from any of those movements would be far higher than any kind of slow movement, why should you say it not ???

Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

I dont understand why some of you do not understand basic physics and every day life.

Wayne


What would hurt more...

A bee hitting you in the face on a motorcycle(100mph) OR your face getting crushed at 1mph by a slow moving train?


I'd take the bee anyday!(Good job at insulting the board on their understanding of basic physics for the hundredth time...it's really gaining you a lot of respect;)

Nate
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

southbeach wrote:
I see nobody can answer the question. i'll state it again:

what does bouncing during training do for injured ligament that simply adding additional weight to a FROM 2/4 heavyset?


I certainly don't know.

Nate
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SteveHIT

southbeach wrote:
your a moron?


Thanks?
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Waynes

Switzerland


natemason5 wrote:
Waynes wrote:
southbeach wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=CqKysjhHopA

Really outside the box..or cutting edge? Polumalu set all kinds of strength records at USC but has done a 180 now.

Marinovich also trained BJ Penn for his latest UFC fight and for the first time ever, BJ had cardio in spades.

why the need to "bounce" off the joints? heavy methodical loads in training can't produce enough force in muscle, tendon, ligament to cause desired adaptation? i don't get it, i really don't get it??



???

The peck forces from any of those movements would be far higher than any kind of slow movement, why should you say it not ???

Who would hurt you the most and his fist, the person punching you will full force, of the person punching you with very low force ???

I dont understand why some of you do not understand basic physics and every day life.

Wayne


What would hurt more...

A bee hitting you in the face on a motorcycle(100mph) OR your face getting crushed at 1mph by a slow moving train?


I'd take the bee anyday!(Good job at insulting the board on their understanding of basic physics for the hundredth time...it's really gaining you a lot of respect;)

Nate


I was not insulting anyone, it just seems that most here do not understand things.

How fast is the bee travelling ???

That would mean the train would be travelling about 16 feet per second.

So yes I would think the bee would give you a bit more of a sting {sting get it, bee, sting !!! ROL} than the train.

But this is not a good example at all.

Wayne
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

Waynes wrote:


But this is not a good example at all.

Wayne


I guess that's the point I was trying to make. We can all come up with examples to make "our point".

Nate
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SteveHIT

natemason5 wrote:
We can all come up with examples to make "our point".
Nate


True
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robinn3403

The utter stupidity of Professional Atheltes never ceases to amaze me!!!

SOMEONE has got to revive the empire fellas!!!!
The Nautilus Knowledge & Training empire.
We need an 'institute' to counteract this kind of nonsense. It's just gone to far. Surely Arthur Jones was not the only one in existance that new the things he knew about proper exercise?

If that is the case then Dr. Frankenstein is needed. He needs to reive Arthur ( God rest his soul ) and get him back on the job. We HITTER'S seem to falling down on the job.
Were are all the Arthur diciples from the old days?? Why have they not started manufacturing the machines and carrying on the torch that Arthur did up unitl '86?

The way this guy trains is nothing to me in and of itself but he will influence younger people and as Arthur used to say, '....that is criminal to be that misleading'
Psuedo science has to be irradicated at every opportunity.
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robinn3403

The utter stupidity of Professional Atheltes never ceases to amaze me!!!

SOMEONE has got to revive the empire fellas!!!!
The Nautilus Knowledge & Training empire.
We need an 'institute' to counteract this kind of nonsense. It's just gone to far. Surely Arthur Jones was not the only one in existance that new the things he knew about proper exercise?

If that is the case then Dr. Frankenstein is needed. He needs to reive Arthur ( God rest his soul ) and get him back on the job. We HITTER'S seem to falling down on the job.

Were are all the Arthur diciples from the old days?? Why have they not started manufacturing the machines and carrying on the torch that Arthur did up unitl '86?
The way this guy trains is nothing to me in and of itself but he will influence younger people and as Arthur used to say, '....that is criminal to be that misleading'
Psuedo science has to be irradicated at every opportunity.
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cmg

marcrph wrote:
Quote from Arthur Jones:

"More than twenty years ago, it was clearly stated in print in Iron Man Magazine,

"..the strength of muscle is in direct proportion to its size." Unfortunately, the choice of words used at the time was such that most readers - and from all appearances I am tempted to say "all readers" - missed the implication: or worse - simply failed to understand what was being stated.
So let me put in very simple terms ...

1. To increase the strength of a muscle, you MUST increase its size.
2. Increasing the size of a muscle WILL increase its strength.
3. If all of the other factors are known and allowed for, then an accurate measurement of the size of a muscle will clearly and accurately indicate the strength of the muscle - and vice versa.
4. There IS a DEFINITE relationship between muscular strength and muscular size. Once the above points are clearly understood, the implications are obvious; (a) bodybuilders, who are primarily interested in muscular size (with or without actual muscular strength) MUST train for maximum-possible muscular strength in order to build maximum-possible muscular size - and (b) weightlifters, who are interested only in strength, MUST train for maximum-possible muscular size in order to build maximum-possible strength. Most readers will probably fail to understand the above points - at first; some readers will refuse to accept them even in the end - but they are NOT opinions, they are simple facts, even if (as happens to be the case) facts that have been overlooked or misunderstood by the very people who need to understand them the most. The reader is, of course, free to "believe" anything he cares to - but I will again point out that you cannot change physics, and I just as certainly did not discover them - and in many cases I do not even understand them; but I am, at least, aware of them."

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Obviously, Mr. Marinovich has not read Arthur Jones' work!


Great quote -

Thank you,

Ron

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southbeach

If you notice he must use even LESS WEIGHT to bounce up and down and all around. I don't get it. Pile on the iron Troy, take a set to SLOW, METHODICAL FAILURE. holistic bouncing off rubber mats to and fro is silly, unbelievable in the 21st century!
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southbeach

One has to ask oneself what is taking Troy so long to recover.. is it all the unknown forces applied to healing ligament from all his bouncing and jumping around? i wonder
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