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southbeach

physcult wrote:
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Do you rely on simply the squat for ultimate calf development. Or do you use a calf raise MACHINE?

"crickets"

Yes - good point! I noticed my calves grew from heavy squats. Im not sure standing calf raises had any where near the effect.

My calves were close to 19" with just squats. I dont think they got any bigger with all the seated or standing raises I did before a bodybuilding comp.

I often wouldnt train them directly and they would always maintain size. Perhaps Squats, Hacks and leg presses is adequate for calves.


So, is it safe to assume that with this revelation you've completely eliminated the calf raise and thigh curl from your routine, and do only squats for your lower developement?
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physcult

southbeach wrote:

So, is it safe to assume that with this revelation you've completely eliminated the calf raise and thigh curl from your routine, and do only squats for your lower developement?


Yes, this is what I would do. Squat variants or Leg Press and deadlift variants (always SLD or RDL)
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southbeach

physcult wrote:
southbeach wrote:

So, is it safe to assume that with this revelation you've completely eliminated the calf raise and thigh curl from your routine, and do only squats for your lower developement?

Yes, this is what I would do. Squats or Leg Press and deadlifts variants (always SLD or RDL)


Interesting way of answering "what i would do"? Do you use any isolation at all anymore in your routine?

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physcult

southbeach wrote:


Interesting way of answering "what i would do"? Do you use any isolation at all anymore in your routine?



Sometimes I do what others want to do. If it was my choice I wouldnt do many isolation movements. If I were bodybuilding (taking steroids) I probably would include lots of isolation movements, but training naturally, with limited recoverability, I tend to want to avoid them as much as possible. I may do them if I wanted to train but felt lazy.

My preferred workout atm would be two compound movements and one isolation or a 3rd compound exercise (probably a close grip press or a triceps exercise for eg at the end of a pushing workout). 3 exercises per workout total.
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southbeach

physcult wrote:
southbeach wrote:


Interesting way of answering "what i would do"? Do you use any isolation at all anymore in your routine?



Sometimes I do what others want to do. If it was my choice I wouldnt do many isolation movements. If I were bodybuilding (taking steroids) I probably would include lots of isolation movements, but training naturally, with limited recoverability, I tend to want to avoid them as much as possible. I may do them if I wanted to train but felt lazy.

My preferred workout atm would be two compound movements and one isolation or a 3rd compound exercise (probably a close grip press or a triceps exercise for eg at the end of a pushing workout). 3 exercises per workout total.


why? what would lead you to believe that a compound exercise such as the "chin" is a better biceps builder than the biceps curl?

Or that the squat is a better calf builder than a calf machine raise?

Or that "cleans" are a better lumbar extensor muscle builder than FULL RANGE LUMBAR EXTENSIONS against a resistance more closely matched to your lumbar strength curve?

and what would you choose to build your abs? isolated ab crunches or ???

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entsminger

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physcult wrote:
southbeach wrote:


Interesting way of answering "what i would do"? Do you use any isolation at all anymore in your routine?



Sometimes I do what others want to do. If it was my choice I wouldnt do many isolation movements. If I were bodybuilding (taking steroids) I probably would include lots of isolation movements, but training naturally, with limited recoverability, I tend to want to avoid them as much as possible. I may do them if I wanted to train but felt lazy.

My preferred workout atm would be two compound movements and one isolation or a 3rd compound exercise (probably a close grip press or a triceps exercise for eg at the end of a pushing workout). 3 exercises per workout total.


==SCott==
I think I see where you are going with the recovery part. Too many isolation exercises may be hard for non drug users to recover from but I personally would just get bored with my workout if all I did was 3 exercises regardless if it was better for gains or not. I just love doing all the different exercises and the feeling I get and would probably quit if all I could do was bench, chins and squats or some other three compound exercises.
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Crotalus

I talked to Roger Schwab years ago one afternoon in his facility. He was and I believe he still is a big advocate of Pre-Exhaust routines. At the time he suggested that I start adding isolation exercises into my routine instead of using all compound movements ( Dr. Ken type routines ).

When I asked him about adding to my routine and making recovery more difficult, he said that isolation exercise like lateral raises, pec deck, tricep extensions ect could be added as single joint stuff hardly tap your recovery reserves at all.

And of course he also made it a point to say that adding them before the compounds would make the compounds safer because less weight would be required in the compound.
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HeavyHitter32

I guess it depends on your goals. If want to gain as much as possible on the compound movements, it would seem those should be performed before isolation movements. I also wonder if it would be easier on the recovery not to superset the movements...just perform them as separate exercises with rest between sets.
Of course, one could do the compound first, then the isolation as part of a superset. Again, it just depends on your goal.
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southbeach

southbeach wrote:
physcult wrote:
southbeach wrote:


Interesting way of answering "what i would do"? Do you use any isolation at all anymore in your routine?



Sometimes I do what others want to do. If it was my choice I wouldnt do many isolation movements. If I were bodybuilding (taking steroids) I probably would include lots of isolation movements, but training naturally, with limited recoverability, I tend to want to avoid them as much as possible. I may do them if I wanted to train but felt lazy.

My preferred workout atm would be two compound movements and one isolation or a 3rd compound exercise (probably a close grip press or a triceps exercise for eg at the end of a pushing workout). 3 exercises per workout total.

why? what would lead you to believe that a compound exercise such as the "chin" is a better biceps builder than the biceps curl?

Or that the squat is a better calf builder than a calf machine raise?

Or that "cleans" are a better lumbar extensor muscle builder than FULL RANGE LUMBAR EXTENSIONS against a resistance more closely matched to your lumbar strength curve?

and what would you choose to build your abs? isolated ab crunches or ???



No idea?
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