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Turpin

A couple of videos ( 3 in total) of this weeks workout ( 6 mins or so total in duration) . My apologies for the camera angle , but its my sons first attempt at this and if anyone knows how to rotate the vids id very very appreciative if you could forward me an ammended version.

Note from the soundtrack The difficulties in using a `no -rest` format between exercises in a commercial gym even at the quietest of times , as my son continuously has to tell other users of our next intended apparatus ( despite him being sat on the f*ckin thing LOL) .


Chin; bodyweight + 50 lbs
Dips; bodyweight +50lbs
Rows; stack
Leg press; stack + additional weight

I aimed for the 40-60 sec window for TUL ( except legs , but went way over on the u/rows)
My legs were shaking on leg press after 4 or so reps and my chest was heaving & I reached failure when I felt unable to control the negative ( & felt nauseus LOL) .
NB; I was able to perform some 30-40 reps normal fashion ( utilising some rest pause) on this leg press apparatus previously , but with zero rest between excercises my legs were like jelly after only a couple of reps.

Anyway, any comments ( good/bad) & constructive advice is/would be appreciated as Im still in the `getting accustomed to` stage of this TUL technique/protocol.

Best wishes , T.

( HOPE THIS WORKS;)

http://s948.photobucket.com/...d321/Turpin_01/



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Waynes

Switzerland

Yes it works. Great some of us are posting videos.

But the first two are not the right way up, but still fine.

And a nice photo of your back, not sure if its resent ???

Wayne
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Mark S

Good stuff.Looking in good shape.

Thanks for posting.

Cheers
Mark
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BSNMOE

I use the same type leg press. You should slow down the positive movement a little more and keep from locking out. Also, I'm wondering if you should raise your foot position up a little more. I'm 6'1 1/2 " and keep my feet a few inches from the top of the foot pad.I also move the seat a little lower than you have it which makes it had to enter, however, gives me a fuller range of motion.
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HSDAD

I'm no expert on Ken Hutchins protocols and such, but that certainly seems to qualify as SS training. I did a similar experiment a year and a half ago and no less than Ellington Darden himself commented on the video that my form was excellent and that I should expect great results.

However, when I tested after 12 weeks, I had made no significant gains and had lost strength in chins and dips. I was using significantly longer TUL than you are (60 - 90 seconds), so perhaps your results will be different.

Will you be judging the results based on strength, measurements or some other way? I'd be curious to see what you find.

For me, I've found that mentally, I just can't stand ultra-slowed reps. I've returned to my midrange, controlled but not slow rep speed and I'm mentally much fresher. I think some folks really enjoy that feeling of almost strangulation of this kind of lifting. For them, I suspect it's a great protocol. For me, it just made me dread lifting.

Keep us posted. I'd be curious to see what a really strong guy like yourself finds over time with this protocol.
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Turpin

Mark HIT wrote:
Good stuff.Looking in good shape.

Thanks for posting.

Cheers
Mark


Thanks Mark.

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Turpin

BSNMOE wrote:
I use the same type leg press. You should slow down the positive movement a little more and keep from locking out. Also, I'm wondering if you should raise your foot position up a little more. I'm 6'1 1/2 " and keep my feet a few inches from the top of the foot pad.I also move the seat a little lower than you have it which makes it had to enter, however, gives me a fuller range of motion.


That is the lowest seat position the machine can offer ( & yes it is hard to get in the machine , and im only 5`6") . I dont lockout on the positive ( i used to) and I find its a killer especially at a slower pace , but yes I think i could slow the positive down a tad more.
Re; the foot position , I find a higher footing hits my glutes and hamstrings more than my quads & doesnt do much for a lower back injury ive suffered for years with either.

Thankyou for your input.
T.

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Turpin

HSDAD wrote:
I'm no expert on Ken Hutchins protocols and such, but that certainly seems to qualify as SS training. I did a similar experiment a year and a half ago and no less than Ellington Darden himself commented on the video that my form was excellent and that I should expect great results.

However, when I tested after 12 weeks, I had made no significant gains and had lost strength in chins and dips. I was using significantly longer TUL than you are (60 - 90 seconds), so perhaps your results will be different.

Will you be judging the results based on strength, measurements or some other way? I'd be curious to see what you find.

For me, I've found that mentally, I just can't stand ultra-slowed reps. I've returned to my midrange, controlled but not slow rep speed and I'm mentally much fresher. I think some folks really enjoy that feeling of almost strangulation of this kind of lifting. For them, I suspect it's a great protocol. For me, it just made me dread lifting.

Keep us posted. I'd be curious to see what a really strong guy like yourself finds over time with this protocol.


Ive always trained for strength & well being first/foremost , so I shall be gauging any results on strength/resistance used x TUL moreso than any measurements. However over the past 3 weeks I have noticed a drop of bodyfat (abdominals especially more defined ) with no significant drop in bodyweight , so somethings happening.

Mentally I am enjoying the challenge of TUL as opposed to counting reps and really like the very low rep range ( Ive always trained with low reps , usually around 5 ) & I feel I could be comfortable at just 1 SS rep where I could concentrate all my effort. I`ll see how things progress.

Thanks for your input , best wishes T.

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HSDAD:
i'm curious, when you did your test how did you do it ?? was it a 1 rep max test, or a regular speed test, or what ???

the specificity thing may make testing across different training protocals very difficult for accuate assessment
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southbeach

The first thing I would say is what are you waiting on? Get there get it done.
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SteveHIT

Good work, Good luck with it, keep us updated how it goes.
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Turpin

stevehit wrote:
Good work, Good luck with it, keep us updated how it goes.



Thanks Steve , & will do. T
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Turpin

southbeach wrote:
The first thing I would say is what are you waiting on? Get there get it done.


I didnt `wait` LOL. I went in and got `it done` in approx 6 mins of exercise with little/no rest between apparatus.

Best wishes T.

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BIO-FORCE

California, USA

Turpin wrote:
A couple of videos ( 3 in total) of this weeks workout ( 6 mins or so total in duration) . My apologies for the camera angle , but its my sons first attempt at this and if anyone knows how to rotate the vids id very very appreciative if you could forward me an ammended version.

Note from the soundtrack The difficulties in using a `no -rest` format between exercises in a commercial gym even at the quietest of times , as my son continuously has to tell other users of our next intended apparatus ( despite him being sat on the f*ckin thing LOL) .


Chin; bodyweight + 50 lbs
Dips; bodyweight +50lbs
Rows; stack
Leg press; stack + additional weight

I aimed for the 40-60 sec window for TUL ( except legs , but went way over on the u/rows)
My legs were shaking on leg press after 4 or so reps and my chest was heaving & I reached failure when I felt unable to control the negative ( & felt nauseus LOL) .
NB; I was able to perform some 30-40 reps normal fashion ( utilising some rest pause) on this leg press apparatus previously , but with zero rest between excercises my legs were like jelly after only a couple of reps.

Anyway, any comments ( good/bad) & constructive advice is/would be appreciated as Im still in the `getting accustomed to` stage of this TUL technique/protocol.

Best wishes , T.

( HOPE THIS WORKS;)

http://s948.photobucket.com/...d321/Turpin_01/



Hi Turpin,

Man, you are a bull.

While I am not a fan of TUL or SS training, I'll be interested in what you consider a good result.

For example will you be looking to increase the dip and chin weight for the same time (TUL)

or

Will you be looking to increase the time of the set (greater TUL) with the same weight?



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Turpin

BIO-FORCE wrote:
Turpin wrote:
A couple of videos ( 3 in total) of this weeks workout ( 6 mins or so total in duration) . My apologies for the camera angle , but its my sons first attempt at this and if anyone knows how to rotate the vids id very very appreciative if you could forward me an ammended version.

Note from the soundtrack The difficulties in using a `no -rest` format between exercises in a commercial gym even at the quietest of times , as my son continuously has to tell other users of our next intended apparatus ( despite him being sat on the f*ckin thing LOL) .


Chin; bodyweight + 50 lbs
Dips; bodyweight +50lbs
Rows; stack
Leg press; stack + additional weight

I aimed for the 40-60 sec window for TUL ( except legs , but went way over on the u/rows)
My legs were shaking on leg press after 4 or so reps and my chest was heaving & I reached failure when I felt unable to control the negative ( & felt nauseus LOL) .
NB; I was able to perform some 30-40 reps normal fashion ( utilising some rest pause) on this leg press apparatus previously , but with zero rest between excercises my legs were like jelly after only a couple of reps.

Anyway, any comments ( good/bad) & constructive advice is/would be appreciated as Im still in the `getting accustomed to` stage of this TUL technique/protocol.

Best wishes , T.

( HOPE THIS WORKS;)

http://s948.photobucket.com/...d321/Turpin_01/



Hi Turpin,

Man, you are a bull.

While I am not a fan of TUL or SS training, I'll be interested in what you consider a good result.

For example will you be looking to increase the dip and chin weight for the same time (TUL)

or

Will you be looking to increase the time of the set (greater TUL) with the same weight?





Hi Bio ,

A `result` would be increase in TUL and/or resistance used in all 4 exercises.
I have been attempting (over the past couple of workouts) to gauge a suitable resistance in order to achieve a TUL window of 40-60 sec for chins/dips/rows. Im close to `correct` resistance on my chins/dips ( although these still need some tweaking in order to get a starting point of 40 or so sec that I can build upon over the coming weeks ) but my rows are still over my `ideal` time.

Ive never tried TUL or SS training previously ( usually favouring low rep/set strength training at a controlled cadence ) , however this has me really enthused and the low reps suit me mentally ( & physically I feel). I would like to attempt single rep SS sets where I could concentrate all my effort on one rep to failure , perhaps this will be where I end up as I near the conclusion of this routine , but for the next workout or so I`ll be tweaking with the resistance used in order to get a starting point of 40 or so sec.

Best wishes , T.
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Waynes

Switzerland

See that bach photo is from about 6 months ago.

Wayne
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RX Exercise

North Carolina, USA

Waynes wrote:
See that bach photo is from about 6 months ago.

Wayne


And.........your point?
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Waynes

Switzerland

Coach Murway wrote:
Waynes wrote:
See that bach photo is from about 6 months ago.

Wayne

And.........your point?


I asked before if it was a shot for years ago or now, thus I found out for myself.

Wayne

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Turpin

Waynes wrote:
Coach Murway wrote:
Waynes wrote:
See that bach photo is from about 6 months ago.

Wayne

And.........your point?

I asked before if it was a shot for years ago or now, thus I found out for myself.

Wayne



My apologies Wayne I hadnt noticed your request , NB; the pic has nothing to do with my recent programme it was a pic I sent to someone else ( forum wise) hence its on my photobucket account.
I have taken before/during and hopefully after pics for my current training which I will gladly post at the completion phase.

Best wishes , T.

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Benjamin Dover

Good stuff, looking forward to your updates.
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Turpin

JamesT wrote:
Good stuff, looking forward to your updates.


Thanks James , I intend/hope to attempt to video each workout over the coming 6 weeks ( good or bad ) which will be every 7-9 days. This way a true perspective of the programmes worth ( for me ) is clearly evident.

Any advice would be gladly appreciated , best wishes , T



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Waynes

Switzerland

Turpin wrote:
Waynes wrote:
Coach Murway wrote:
Waynes wrote:
See that bach photo is from about 6 months ago.

Wayne

And.........your point?

I asked before if it was a shot for years ago or now, thus I found out for myself.

Wayne



My apologies Wayne I hadnt noticed your request , NB; the pic has nothing to do with my recent programme it was a pic I sent to someone else ( forum wise) hence its on my photobucket account.
I have taken before/during and hopefully after pics for my current training which I will gladly post at the completion phase.

Best wishes , T.



K.

It said on the photo that it was taken 18/7/09

Wayne

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Turpin

Waynes wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Waynes wrote:
Coach Murway wrote:
Waynes wrote:
See that bach photo is from about 6 months ago.

Wayne

And.........your point?

I asked before if it was a shot for years ago or now, thus I found out for myself.

Wayne



My apologies Wayne I hadnt noticed your request , NB; the pic has nothing to do with my recent programme it was a pic I sent to someone else ( forum wise) hence its on my photobucket account.
I have taken before/during and hopefully after pics for my current training which I will gladly post at the completion phase.

Best wishes , T.



K.

It said on the photo that it was taken 18/7/09

Wayne



LOL.... If you like it you can print off a copy Wayne ( Only kidding LOL)

As I said the pic ( yes it is me !) has no relevence to my current programme from which I will post before/during/after pics at completion along with vids of each workout to show progress ( if any). That way a true perspective of what such training can accomplish/or not ( esp. for the over 40`s & naturals) is/will be evident.

Best wishes , T.

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coomo

Great work Turpin.Loved the leg press.Looks suspiciously like a Life Fitness unit.i used one in a fitness first.Real easy to max out the stack, but nice position,and a good rom.
Really looking foward to seeing you results.
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Terry Carter

Georgia, USA

Turpin wrote:
A couple of videos ( 3 in total) of this weeks workout ( 6 mins or so total in duration) . My apologies for the camera angle , but its my sons first attempt at this and if anyone knows how to rotate the vids id very very appreciative if you could forward me an ammended version.

Note from the soundtrack The difficulties in using a `no -rest` format between exercises in a commercial gym even at the quietest of times , as my son continuously has to tell other users of our next intended apparatus ( despite him being sat on the f*ckin thing LOL) .


Chin; bodyweight + 50 lbs
Dips; bodyweight +50lbs
Rows; stack
Leg press; stack + additional weight

I aimed for the 40-60 sec window for TUL ( except legs , but went way over on the u/rows)
My legs were shaking on leg press after 4 or so reps and my chest was heaving & I reached failure when I felt unable to control the negative ( & felt nauseus LOL) .
NB; I was able to perform some 30-40 reps normal fashion ( utilising some rest pause) on this leg press apparatus previously , but with zero rest between excercises my legs were like jelly after only a couple of reps.

Anyway, any comments ( good/bad) & constructive advice is/would be appreciated as Im still in the `getting accustomed to` stage of this TUL technique/protocol.

Best wishes , T.

( HOPE THIS WORKS;)

http://s948.photobucket.com/...d321/Turpin_01/




Looks great Turpin,

The only advice that I can give you is what you are already alluding to. In my opinion, the biggest mistake that anyone makes with this protocol is to have the resistance too light and the TUL too long. As long as you are doing one complete repetition I think you are doing fine. If 40 seconds seems to be ideal for you, that is what I would shoot for, increasing the resistance each workout.
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