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southbeach

who else is watching?
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marcrph

Portugal

I'm watching, but I am disappointed with the strength of all athletes, and most of the athlete's body fat percentage!
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AI1963

I caught as much of the combine as time permitted.

Bruce Campbell was particularly awesome. What a specimen.

Tim Tebow may not make the grade as an NFL QB but he is one amazing athlete nevertheless.
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

I'm a high school football and strength/conditioning coach, I love watching that stuff. I love watching the tests and the position drills they do, the drills a little more than the tests. Watched every group.

Think about how many guys John Lott, (strength coach of the cardinals) has spotted on the bench in these last few days.

Too much emphasis placed on the combine? Yeah, I think so. The bottom line is still-can they perform/produce
on the field. But, for me, it's still cool to watch.

Scott
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HSDAD

Seeing Ndamukong Suh run under 5 seconds in the 40 @ 6'4" and 310 lb. is utterly amazing. Juice or no, that is what makes football great. At any given time, both the fastest and strongest guys in the world are in that league. The pinnacle of human physical achievement is in the NFL. The only trait they don't have in spades is the plodding endurance of marathon runners and soccer players. . .2 sports that have been known to cause suicides among bored spectators;-)
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southbeach

AI1963 wrote:
I caught as much of the combine as time permitted.

Bruce Campbell was particularly awesome. What a specimen.

Tim Tebow may not make the grade as an NFL QB but he is one amazing athlete nevertheless.


Bruce Campbell is a monster. His Combine Player Profile..

http://www.nfl.com/...pbell?id=496994

Wonder who will snatch him up..any ideas?
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Raider22

Ohio, USA

southbeach wrote:
AI1963 wrote:
I caught as much of the combine as time permitted.

Bruce Campbell was particularly awesome. What a specimen.

Tim Tebow may not make the grade as an NFL QB but he is one amazing athlete nevertheless.

Bruce Campbell is a monster. His Combine Player Profile..

http://www.nfl.com/...pbell?id=496994

Wonder who will snatch him up..any ideas?


Scouts think he has lazy technique and is a bad run blocker, which means he is probably lazy. He would help win somebody a Super Bowl in the combine league if there was such a thing. The combine is a multi million dollar waste of time. Film, Film and more Film. Can You Play The Game??
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fbcoach

Raider22 wrote:
southbeach wrote:
AI1963 wrote:
I caught as much of the combine as time permitted.

Bruce Campbell was particularly awesome. What a specimen.

Tim Tebow may not make the grade as an NFL QB but he is one amazing athlete nevertheless.

Bruce Campbell is a monster. His Combine Player Profile..

http://www.nfl.com/...pbell?id=496994

Wonder who will snatch him up..any ideas?


Scouts think he has lazy technique and is a bad run blocker, which means he is probably lazy. He would help win somebody a Super Bowl in the combine league if there was such a thing. The combine is a multi million dollar waste of time. Film, Film and more Film. Can You Play The Game??


I agree with this to an extent. It can establish a degree of athleticsm, but cannot truly display that that talent can be shown on the field. I have seen too many atheletes perform great at our HS combines, but just didn't pan out on the field....and vice-versa.
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HSDAD

Raider22 wrote:
The combine is a multi million dollar waste of time. Film, Film and more Film. Can You Play The Game??


If the combine was open to all, this would be true. But these guys are selected based on the fact that they've already proven they can play the game. The question is, can they play at the pro level. The combine doesn't necessarily answer this question, but of two players who look roughly equal on film, the one with more speed, strength or explosiveness is the better bet.

If I were a coach whose job depended on making smart picks, I would relish the extra information. Besides it's damned entertaining to the hardcore fans and adds to the mystique of the league overall. I just plain don't see a downside.
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

HSDAD,

One downside I see is when a team puts
too much importance on great combine numbers vs. all the game tape they have to look at. A number of teams have wasted tons of money on great athletes with great numbers and workouts at the combine and turned out to be major busts as NFL players. Pete Koch, Tony Mandarich, Akali Smith. You could go on from there. Still, I do enjoy watching it.

Scott
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Raider22

Ohio, USA

HSDAD wrote:
Raider22 wrote:
The combine is a multi million dollar waste of time. Film, Film and more Film. Can You Play The Game??

If the combine was open to all, this would be true. But these guys are selected based on the fact that they've already proven they can play the game. The question is, can they play at the pro level. The combine doesn't necessarily answer this question, but of two players who look roughly equal on film, the one with more speed, strength or explosiveness is the better bet.

If I were a coach whose job depended on making smart picks, I would relish the extra information. Besides it's damned entertaining to the hardcore fans and adds to the mystique of the league overall. I just plain don't see a downside.


The most important qualities are tough to measure. With talent being equal, I want integrity, toughness, work ethic, and intelligence, somebody who plays with vengeance. 40?s, bench, and vertical are irrelevant. If you have a lazy or unmotivated player they will never replicate those numbers on the field. What do you think Lawrence Taylor would have done on these tests? I bet he would have been lucky to do 225, 10 times, but he would sure as hell slap the taste out of your mouth.
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marcrph

Portugal

Raider22 wrote:
HSDAD wrote:
Raider22 wrote:
The combine is a multi million dollar waste of time. Film, Film and more Film. Can You Play The Game??

If the combine was open to all, this would be true. But these guys are selected based on the fact that they've already proven they can play the game. The question is, can they play at the pro level. The combine doesn't necessarily answer this question, but of two players who look roughly equal on film, the one with more speed, strength or explosiveness is the better bet.

If I were a coach whose job depended on making smart picks, I would relish the extra information. Besides it's damned entertaining to the hardcore fans and adds to the mystique of the league overall. I just plain don't see a downside.


The most important qualities are tough to measure. With talent being equal, I want integrity, toughness, work ethic, and intelligence, somebody who plays with vengeance. 40?s, bench, and vertical are irrelevant. If you have a lazy or unmotivated player they will never replicate those numbers on the field. What do you think Lawrence Taylor would have done on these tests? I bet he would have been lucky to do 225, 10 times, but he would sure as hell slap the taste out of your mouth.


LT was very strong (at UNC) and a heck of a pool player!
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southbeach

hasn't the COMBINE become more of a marketing tool for the NFL since they started taping it about a decade ago?

But scouts still attend so it has some merit for the selection process.
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

southbeach,

Yeah, I think it is somewhat of a marketing tool. It has hype and keeps some focus on the NFL even when the season is over.

Besides the testing, drills, and measurements, they also do interviews with the players, so they try to get to
know something about that player other than what they've been told by coaches and seen on game tape and during the combine tests and drills.

I guess if I was an owner, and about to
possibly invest millions and millions of dollars on one of these guys, I would want my coaches and scouts to take
every oppurtunity available to compare them, get a feel of their intelligence,
attitude, and so on.

Scott
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AI1963

Major league sports market EVERYTHING; just because the NFL is trying to make money off the combine does not automatically mean it has no value.

As Mike Mayock of the NFL Network explained during that network's coverage of the combine: evaluating game film is the number one means of determining talent and draft value. That being said, the combine allows teams to evaluate physical and mental abilities in a somewhat standardized manner. Remember, even when evaluating game film, at least some of what is seen results from the team around a player, offensive/defensive schemes, etc.

I highly doubt any NFL front office worth its salt is using the combine as their sole or primary means of player evaluation. Just another tool in the toolbox.

This is a great clip for those fans of the NFL:

http://www.nfl.com/...en-s-40-yd-dash

Check out what a difference of less than 2 seconds looks like in the 40. Might as well be a mile!

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AI1963

Not sure where Bruce Campbell is going but here is some footage of this guy:

http://www.nfl.com/...1-top-performer

Damn!
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eintology

California, USA

strengthmaster wrote:
southbeach,

Yeah, I think it is somewhat of a marketing tool. It has hype and keeps some focus on the NFL even when the season is over.

Besides the testing, drills, and measurements, they also do interviews with the players, so they try to get to
know something about that player other than what they've been told by coaches and seen on game tape and during the combine tests and drills.

I guess if I was an owner, and about to
possibly invest millions and millions of dollars on one of these guys, I would want my coaches and scouts to take
every oppurtunity available to compare them, get a feel of their intelligence,
attitude, and so on.

Scott


It's huge. Yes, absolutely, in complete agreement with what you are suggesting, as to the importance of all this, and what the game has become.

Needless to say, marketing and branding has become a big part of their bonanza. Along with that, as we know, from the commercials they run, the NFL is now involved, has almost been forced to be more involved, in the business of public relations; which really places them right on the knives edge when they are in an evaluation process.

Look at golf, as it relates to Tiger Woods?

Strengthmaster Scott, you are from Michigan. Do you by chance have any recollection of the rather unfortunate circumstances surrounding a former Michigan State defensive end, Dimitrius Underwood?

Blinded by his upside and his display of athleticism at the combine.... I know, I know, I know, forget about what he tried to do to his own throat, let's just roll the dice and see what happens! After all, he'll potentially just hurt himself, so he couldn't be any worse than Joe Don Looney, and he lasted a few years in the league, without actually killing anybody?

No, at the risk of being glib, Dimitrius Underwood, he represented a major fork in the road, in the NFL's evaluation process.
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

eintology,

Yes, I remember him very well. Better
than I really care to discuss on this forum. But, your point is very well taken.

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southbeach

Haven't seen the Q-backs perform, must have missed it. Are there any decent Q-backs out there? Another Peyton manning or Joe Montana .. :)
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southbeach

looks like brady quinn is going to need a job
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