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marcrph

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"Maximum degrees of growth stimulation can be -- and should be -- induced by "the minimum-possible amount of exercise"; the minimum amount required to produce certain effects -- and once these effects have been produced, then additional amounts of exercise will actually reduce the production of increases in strength and/or muscular size."

- Arthur Jones, Paragraph 1, Chapter 11 - Inducing Growth Stimulation, Nautilus Bulletin #1

The master speaks....did we listen?


Super Consolidation = 1 set workouts

Week 1: Bench press/pull-downs
week 2: Leg press
week 3: Dead-lifts

Interestingly, according to John Little (BBS), and his BodPod measurements, his muscle gains were the best with a 1-set workout, and slightly more that 1 week recovery intervals. Are you brave enough to experiment?

Marc
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Turpin

marcrph wrote:
"Maximum degrees of growth stimulation can be -- and should be -- induced by "the minimum-possible amount of exercise"; the minimum amount required to produce certain effects -- and once these effects have been produced, then additional amounts of exercise will actually reduce the production of increases in strength and/or muscular size."

- Arthur Jones, Paragraph 1, Chapter 11 - Inducing Growth Stimulation, Nautilus Bulletin #1

The master speaks....did we listen?


Super Consolidation = 1 set workouts

Week 1: Bench press/pull-downs
week 2: Leg press
week 3: Dead-lifts

Interestingly, according to John Little (BBS), and his BodPod measurements, his muscle gains were the best with a 1-set workout, and slightly more that 1 week recovery intervals. Are you brave enough to experiment?

Marc


This is what Ive trying to get across on here for some time now ( in a round about way LOL)

Like Mentzer said ; " an ideal routine would/should ;
1; Induce maximum possible growth stimulation
2; Use up a minimum of the bodys recuperative resources."

I feel all/most on here are capable of number 1 , however I feel most neglect number 2 feeling that they cant leave the gym unless they feel they have `done enough` when `enough` is in reality very little in terms of duration/volume of high intensity training.

T.

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marcrph

Portugal

Stress & G-A-S

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marcrph

Portugal

Turpin wrote:
marcrph wrote:
"Maximum degrees of growth stimulation can be -- and should be -- induced by "the minimum-possible amount of exercise"; the minimum amount required to produce certain effects -- and once these effects have been produced, then additional amounts of exercise will actually reduce the production of increases in strength and/or muscular size."

- Arthur Jones, Paragraph 1, Chapter 11 - Inducing Growth Stimulation, Nautilus Bulletin #1

The master speaks....did we listen?


Super Consolidation = 1 set workouts

Week 1: Bench press/pull-downs
week 2: Leg press
week 3: Dead-lifts

Interestingly, according to John Little (BBS), and his BodPod measurements, his muscle gains were the best with a 1-set workout, and slightly more that 1 week recovery intervals. Are you brave enough to experiment?

Marc


This is what Ive trying to get across on here for some time now ( in a round about way LOL)

Like Mentzer said ; " an ideal routine would/should ;
1; Induce maximum possible growth stimulation
2; Use up a minimum of the bodys recuperative resources."

I feel all/most on here are capable of number 1 , however I feel most neglect number 2 feeling that they cant leave the gym unless they feel they have `done enough` when `enough` is in reality very little in terms of duration/volume of high intensity training.

T.



Are YOU willing to experiment?
Looks like John Little is NEVER going to publish these 1-set WO's he keeps referring to.

It's up to us....the grass roots of HIT!
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db144

I lift only once per week and I've had no adverse reactions (no loss of size or strength). I recently started taking the day off after my lifting session (full body routine)and feel much better physically for it. For us older guys (45 yrs old) the extra rest is needed when intensity is high.

d
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marcrph

Portugal

High intensity exercise is efficient at making one ravenous. Another reason to control the amount of exercise.
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Turpin

marcrph wrote:
Turpin wrote:
marcrph wrote:
"Maximum degrees of growth stimulation can be -- and should be -- induced by "the minimum-possible amount of exercise"; the minimum amount required to produce certain effects -- and once these effects have been produced, then additional amounts of exercise will actually reduce the production of increases in strength and/or muscular size."

- Arthur Jones, Paragraph 1, Chapter 11 - Inducing Growth Stimulation, Nautilus Bulletin #1

The master speaks....did we listen?


Super Consolidation = 1 set workouts

Week 1: Bench press/pull-downs
week 2: Leg press
week 3: Dead-lifts

Interestingly, according to John Little (BBS), and his BodPod measurements, his muscle gains were the best with a 1-set workout, and slightly more that 1 week recovery intervals. Are you brave enough to experiment?

Marc


This is what Ive trying to get across on here for some time now ( in a round about way LOL)

Like Mentzer said ; " an ideal routine would/should ;
1; Induce maximum possible growth stimulation
2; Use up a minimum of the bodys recuperative resources."

I feel all/most on here are capable of number 1 , however I feel most neglect number 2 feeling that they cant leave the gym unless they feel they have `done enough` when `enough` is in reality very little in terms of duration/volume of high intensity training.

T.



Are YOU willing to experiment?
Looks like John Little is NEVER going to publish these 1-set WO's he keeps referring to.

It's up to us....the grass roots of HIT!


Hi Marc , I HAVE been `Experimenting` with low volume/consolidated training for some time now ( 2 set W/O`s ) and TBH if I can get deadlifting seriously again I would give a routine as you have posted a fair go. As I know ( & you have alluded to previously ) deadlifting every 3rd week has resulted in serious improvement in resistance used for me in the past. And provided one applies themselves to each exercise each workout I see no reason why I/anyone could not see progress by implementing such training.
I read a similar thought provoking article on Mentzers web site ;

link; http://www.mikementzer.com/how...


I certainly would consider giving such routine a try , whats to lose ?

T.
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HeavyHitter32

You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.
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howard1976

Great post Marc!!

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marcrph

Portugal

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.


I wondered HOW many posts before your poison arrived!

You really should consider a name change.....perhaps.....babysitter32!

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marcrph

Portugal

howard1976 wrote:
Great post Marc!!



Thanks Howard!

This IS the grass roots of HIT!

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Turpin

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.


`Late to the game` ? .... LOL. I have been practicing low volume since mid 80`s ( albeit not as low as Little has recommended here ... but Id give it a go !)

And it is NOT a bodypart trained every two weeks , it IS an exercise ( compound ) that trains a myriad of bodyparts every workout , so there is a carryover/overlap of stimuli to other musclegroups.

T.

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smanjh

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.


Right, people are missing the point in Jones's message:

Do the least possible to STIMULATE muscle increases and adaptions.

Do any of you think, if Jones were training you, that if what you were doing was not working he would keep things the same? How long before he tried 2 sets?

This is all fine and dandy if it is WORKING. If it is not or yielding piss poor results, they you are indeed a special person to keep applying it the same.
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Mega-duty

HeavyHitter32

When you were under Mikes guidenance,did you ever tried One-set workout extremes? Sean Robertson made great gains with Mikes routines,also with One-set workouts.But he surprisingly now says he wouldve never trained this way if he could do it all again.One of Mikes Phone-client gave very good routine to try -Incline presses,Pull-downs at each workout and alternate Leg-press/Deadlifts each workout,im gonna try this at some point.
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marcrph

Portugal

smanjh wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

Right, people are missing the point in Jones's message:

Do the least possible to STIMULATE muscle increases and adaptions.

Do any of you think, if Jones were training you, that if what you were doing was not working he would keep things the same? How long before he tried 2 sets?

This is all fine and dandy if it is WORKING. If it is not or yielding piss poor results, they you are indeed a special person to keep applying it the same.


The other viper on the forum, and his brand of poison!

Who are your really? You seem to have many aliases? But that is the way vipers ambush, they lay low...hidden...before they strike the unexpected!
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thebiggfella


Harder, Briefer, More Infrequent...
Exercise


Exactly. It's all about finding the optimum exercise dosage to stimulate maximum progress.
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smanjh

marcrph wrote:
smanjh wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

Right, people are missing the point in Jones's message:

Do the least possible to STIMULATE muscle increases and adaptions.

Do any of you think, if Jones were training you, that if what you were doing was not working he would keep things the same? How long before he tried 2 sets?

This is all fine and dandy if it is WORKING. If it is not or yielding piss poor results, they you are indeed a special person to keep applying it the same.


The other viper on the forum, and his brand of poison!

Who are your really? You seem to have many aliases? But that is the way vipers ambush, they lay low...hidden...before they strike the unexpected!


Man, too funny. Where do I 'strike' anyone?

My point is along with what thebigfella just wrote: OPTIMAL!

When going to super consolidated and finding it does not work for you or works slow, then why on earth would you stick with it? Fun fact:Mentzer switched clients between his consolidated routine and his ideal routine. How would that be possible if your recovery was static and you only needed 6 exercises to stimulate optimal progress?

It shows you that he knew recovery ability was not static and in a straight line.
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marcrph

Portugal

smanjh wrote:
marcrph wrote:
smanjh wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

Right, people are missing the point in Jones's message:

Do the least possible to STIMULATE muscle increases and adaptions.

Do any of you think, if Jones were training you, that if what you were doing was not working he would keep things the same? How long before he tried 2 sets?

This is all fine and dandy if it is WORKING. If it is not or yielding piss poor results, they you are indeed a special person to keep applying it the same.


The other viper on the forum, and his brand of poison!

Who are your really? You seem to have many aliases? But that is the way vipers ambush, they lay low...hidden...before they strike the unexpected!

Man, too funny. Where do I 'strike' anyone?

My point is along with what thebigfella just wrote: OPTIMAL!

When going to super consolidated and finding it does not work for you or works slow, then why on earth would you stick with it? Fun fact:Mentzer switched clients between his consolidated routine and his ideal routine. How would that be possible if your recovery was static and you only needed 6 exercises to stimulate optimal progress?

It shows you that he knew recovery ability was not static and in a straight line.


Now that you "dissed" Mentzer and Dr. Darden, who is next.......Arthur Jones?
Yes we know....Your always right!

Why don't you take your steroids and high volume talk on over to your "daddy" Joe Weider, and kiss the seat of his trousers. And don't forget uncle Louie and Arnold.
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HeavyHitter32

marcrph wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

I wondered HOW many posts before your poison arrived!

You really should consider a name change.....perhaps.....babysitter32!



Marc,

You're a kook who is actually insecure his training ideas as you feel the need to start lashing out at me for no good reason. You're the one who needs a babysitter.

Besides, why include the other exercises as I thought one or two sets a month of your magical Nautilus leg press would stimuluate optimal gains thoughout the entire body via indirect effect?

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HeavyHitter32

Turpin wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

`Late to the game` ? .... LOL. I have been practicing low volume since mid 80`s ( albeit not as low as Little has recommended here ... but Id give it a go !)

And it is NOT a bodypart trained every two weeks , it IS an exercise ( compound ) that trains a myriad of bodyparts every workout , so there is a carryover/overlap of stimuli to other musclegroups.

T.



I was referring to the ultra infreq. Some guys are only training a muscle once per month with this stuff - at least temporarily and the overlap you speak of is not going to meaningful result in very much do to the infrequency. Many of us tried it during that 90s including Brian Johnston, a very smary guy named Gus K. and others; we talked a lot about it when the forums were quite new in those days and it failed for everyone. No one sticks with it very long as over time you see how your physique worsens from training too little.


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HeavyHitter32

Mega-duty wrote:
HeavyHitter32

When you were under Mikes guidenance,did you ever tried One-set workout extremes? Sean Robertson made great gains with Mikes routines,also with One-set workouts.But he surprisingly now says he wouldve never trained this way if he could do it all again.One of Mikes Phone-client gave very good routine to try -Incline presses,Pull-downs at each workout and alternate Leg-press/Deadlifts each workout,im gonna try this at some point.


Sean Robertson didn't do the one set routine very long and his physique was built with more volume and freq. He talked to someone over at HIT.net about it.

There is a reason myself and many others quit training this way. It does not work. If you're going to do HIT, at least stick with a more full, balanced, more freq. consolidation routine or Heavy Duty I --- or Darden's workouts.

People need to stop emotionally latching on to the "theory" and latch onto the results with their training.
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smanjh

marcrph wrote:
smanjh wrote:
marcrph wrote:
smanjh wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

Right, people are missing the point in Jones's message:

Do the least possible to STIMULATE muscle increases and adaptions.

Do any of you think, if Jones were training you, that if what you were doing was not working he would keep things the same? How long before he tried 2 sets?

This is all fine and dandy if it is WORKING. If it is not or yielding piss poor results, they you are indeed a special person to keep applying it the same.


The other viper on the forum, and his brand of poison!

Who are your really? You seem to have many aliases? But that is the way vipers ambush, they lay low...hidden...before they strike the unexpected!

Man, too funny. Where do I 'strike' anyone?

My point is along with what thebigfella just wrote: OPTIMAL!

When going to super consolidated and finding it does not work for you or works slow, then why on earth would you stick with it? Fun fact:Mentzer switched clients between his consolidated routine and his ideal routine. How would that be possible if your recovery was static and you only needed 6 exercises to stimulate optimal progress?

It shows you that he knew recovery ability was not static and in a straight line.


Now that you "dissed" Mentzer and Dr. Darden, who is next.......Arthur Jones?
Yes we know....Your always right!

Why don't you take your steroids and high volume talk on over to your "daddy" Joe Weider, and kiss the seat of his trousers. And don't forget uncle Louie and Arnold.


How did I diss Mentzer when we agree on the concept?

Weider/Arnold/Ferrigno? Where on earth did I suggest doing anything like that? In fact, if anything, I don't even talk about Weider without using the words 'bullshit' and 'fraud'.

Do you even read the posts?
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SteveHIT

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
People need to stop emotionally latching on to the "theory" and latch onto the results with their training.


Couldn't agree more!

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Ps: Marc stop making an idiot of yourself by attacking everyone for no reason.
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marcrph

Portugal

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
marcrph wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
You guys are really late to the game. I tried this stuff extensively in the mid to late 90s with Mentzer's guidance and it failed miserably. One set per bodypart is NOT enough to stimulate a maximum increase in strength and size in an advanced trainee. In addition, training a body part every two weeks or less is far less than optimal, as well.

I really give Dr. Darden credit for not endorsing this pipe dream stuff and sticking with more realistic training volumes and frequencies. I don't recall Jones endoring this either.

I wondered HOW many posts before your poison arrived!

You really should consider a name change.....perhaps.....babysitter32!



Marc,

You're a kook who is actually insecure his training ideas as you feel the need to start lashing out at me for no good reason. You're the one who needs a babysitter.

Besides, why include the other exercises as I thought one or two sets a month of your magical Nautilus leg press would stimuluate optimal gains thoughout the entire body via indirect effect?



With your new name, you might want to include a new avatar......Arnold??????

Your not HIT at all!
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marcrph

Portugal

smanjh wrote:
Do you even read the posts?


In your case, No....your first few were enough!
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