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FortCollinsFan

This is the caption on the photo:"The ability to construct a programme that garners such results in an individual living a regular working life and not that of a professional athlete is all too rare, yet using many of Nick's own methods combined with some of the advanced Poliquin principles that I have personally taught to Nick over the years Glenn's life changing transformation shows what can be done in just a three month period!"

What do you guys think?
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smanjh

FortCollinsFan wrote:
This is the caption on the photo:"The ability to construct a programme that garners such results in an individual living a regular working life and not that of a professional athlete is all too rare, yet using many of Nick's own methods combined with some of the advanced Poliquin principles that I have personally taught to Nick over the years Glenn's life changing transformation shows what can be done in just a three month period!"

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It could be, but the shoulder size gives hormone use away IMO.

Every steroid user has massive shoulders in a certain sense that naturals do not have.
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Bullen-Whatling

Do you have the original article link anywhere? I'd like to take a look at it..

Besides that, I'm not one to normally doubt things like this, because I've dropped more weight than people thought possible in a week (up to 11 lbs, and this was some weeks into a weight loss plan).
So I'd be interested in looking at the article more!


Thanks,

Rob
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FortCollinsFan

This is not from an article. It is from Charlie Poliquin's Facebook Wall, the trainer was Nick Mitchell (UP Gym(Ultimate Performance) London,England) and trainee was Glenn. I'm on the fence about if it was done without "PEDs". I have personally known Charlie Poliquin for 15 years, so I'm leaning towards everything they r saying is true. I am just curious to hear what everybody has to say about this transformation. It is quite amazing.
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smanjh

FortCollinsFan wrote:
This is not from an article. It is from Charlie Poliquin's Facebook Wall, the trainer was Nick Mitchell (UP Gym(Ultimate Performance) London,England) and trainee was Glenn. I'm on the fence about if it was done without "PEDs".

I have personally known Charlie Poliquin for 15 years, so I'm leaning towards everything they r saying is true. I am just curious to hear what everybody has to say about this transformation. It is quite amazing.


It is amazing, even if drugs were used.

Seriously though, drugs give you a certain 'look', and this guy has that look.

It is not impossible I guess, but the difference in like 6 weeks is so pronounced and beyond anything I have ever seen naturally done, so I just can not believe this guy went from normal to fitness model in 3 months without help.

If this were 3 years, then maybe.
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FortCollinsFan

Another set of photos.
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MDieguez

I remember a few years ago Poliquin hyping the added muscle to wide reciever David Boston. Boston was promptly suspened by the NFL for steroids I believe.
Mike
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DownUnderLifter

FortCollinsFan wrote:
This is not from an article. It is from Charlie Poliquin's Facebook Wall, the trainer was Nick Mitchell (UP Gym(Ultimate Performance) London,England) and trainee was Glenn. I'm on the fence about if it was done without "PEDs". I have personally known Charlie Poliquin for 15 years, so I'm leaning towards everything they r saying is true.

I am just curious to hear what everybody has to say about this transformation. It is quite amazing.


Hey FortCollinsFan

It may be legit, but could it be muscle memory type of stuff? I've seen transformations where a guy who is genetically gifted (i.e naturally super lean and muscular) take 12 weeks of not training and eating a crap diet to get like the Week 1 photo and then just take 12 weeks to get back to what he normally looks like.

DUL
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Danabolism

smanjh wrote:
FortCollinsFan wrote:
This is not from an article. It is from Charlie Poliquin's Facebook Wall, the trainer was Nick Mitchell (UP Gym(Ultimate Performance) London,England) and trainee was Glenn. I'm on the fence about if it was done without "PEDs".

I have personally known Charlie Poliquin for 15 years, so I'm leaning towards everything they r saying is true. I am just curious to hear what everybody has to say about this transformation. It is quite amazing.

It is amazing, even if drugs were used.

Seriously though, drugs give you a certain 'look', and this guy has that look.

It is not impossible I guess, but the difference in like 6 weeks is so pronounced and beyond anything I have ever seen naturally done, so I just can not believe this guy went from normal to fitness model in 3 months without help.

If this were 3 years, then maybe.


This guy doesn't have a "look" of anabolic steroid abuse. He looks like a natural bodybuilder with good shoulder development and he looks great by properly pumping up before his photo shoot.

3 months is more than enough time to achieve this body composition with a properly conducted contest preparation protocol. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to do this doing full body, 1 set workouts with cardio and reduced cals. I'm speaking from experience here as well... You will find that your metabolism crashes easily because of how low the cals have to dip, in order to keep losing fat while using a typical HIT prep w/ cardio.

It is amazing how quickly you can transform your body when you begin to implement more conditioning work vs cardio. The calories stay up along with metabolic activity, which in turn allows you to conserve more of the important hormones involved in strength, satiety and fat loss. It is well documented that low cals are associated with a decline in anabolic hormone profiles, especially with regard to testosterone... So, for naturals, it is crucial to keep this elevated as much as possible when dieting.

Poliquin is very well-respected and his clients have amazing results. Same can be said for Scott Abel... These 2 guys have definitely influenced my way of thinking about exercise capacity. You can train your body to become resilient. Case in point, I am able to manage a full time job, family and still find the energy to train 5 days per week. You should be able to do more work as you become advanced, not less. I now do anywhere from 45-50 sets in under 75 minutes... My clothes are dripping with sweat, I am out of breath and I am still strong in my "traditional bodybuilding" lifts.

Poliquin, in my opinion, is the real deal and so are the results of his athletes.

I realize that this is a HIT site, and people will not necessarily agree with my opinions or experiences. It's a shame that people think drugs are the only way to achieve fast results. In reality, it is the protocol and mindset of the individual that drives the results.

Best of luck in your decision,
Dan
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Joseph Anderson

Danabolism wrote:
This guy doesn't have a "look" of anabolic steroid abuse. He looks like a natural bodybuilder with good shoulder development and he looks great by properly pumping up before his photo shoot.

3 months is more than enough time to achieve this body composition with a properly conducted contest preparation protocol. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to do this doing full body, 1 set workouts with cardio and reduced cals. I'm speaking from experience here as well... You will find that your metabolism crashes easily because of how low the cals have to dip, in order to keep losing fat while using a typical HIT prep w/ cardio.

It is amazing how quickly you can transform your body when you begin to implement more conditioning work vs cardio. The calories stay up along with metabolic activity, which in turn allows you to conserve more of the important hormones involved in strength, satiety and fat loss. It is well documented that low cals are associated with a decline in anabolic hormone profiles, especially with regard to testosterone... So, for naturals, it is crucial to keep this elevated as much as possible when dieting.

Poliquin is very well-respected and his clients have amazing results. Same can be said for Scott Abel... These 2 guys have definitely influenced my way of thinking about exercise capacity. You can train your body to become resilient. Case in point, I am able to manage a full time job, family and still find the energy to train 5 days per week. You should be able to do more work as you become advanced, not less. I now do anywhere from 45-50 sets in under 75 minutes... My clothes are dripping with sweat, I am out of breath and I am still strong in my "traditional bodybuilding" lifts.

Poliquin, in my opinion, is the real deal and so are the results of his athletes.

I realize that this is a HIT site, and people will not necessarily agree with my opinions or experiences. It's a shame that people think drugs are the only way to achieve fast results. In reality, it is the protocol and mindset of the individual that drives the results.

Best of luck in your decision,
Dan


Definitely going to have to agree with Dan on this one. 12-15 weeks isn't an abnormal timeframe to lean out. I also think the 1st photo was intentionally posed to make the guy look more out of shape than he was. Given a similar pose and "shaved, tan and flexing" - I don't think there is as dramatic of a change from week one to week six. I think that his shoulder development is present in the first photo, just can't see it. As he leaned out and posed to accentuate it, it just stands out more.

The natural bodybuilders on here know the above is certainly possible and requires a certain level of discipline. The guy should be applauded not mocked.

Joe


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smanjh

Danabolism wrote:
smanjh wrote:
FortCollinsFan wrote:
This is not from an article. It is from Charlie Poliquin's Facebook Wall, the trainer was Nick Mitchell (UP Gym(Ultimate Performance) London,England) and trainee was Glenn. I'm on the fence about if it was done without "PEDs".

I have personally known Charlie Poliquin for 15 years, so I'm leaning towards everything they r saying is true. I am just curious to hear what everybody has to say about this transformation. It is quite amazing.

It is amazing, even if drugs were used.

Seriously though, drugs give you a certain 'look', and this guy has that look.

It is not impossible I guess, but the difference in like 6 weeks is so pronounced and beyond anything I have ever seen naturally done, so I just can not believe this guy went from normal to fitness model in 3 months without help.

If this were 3 years, then maybe.

This guy doesn't have a "look" of anabolic steroid abuse. He looks like a natural bodybuilder with good shoulder development and he looks great by properly pumping up before his photo shoot.

3 months is more than enough time to achieve this body composition with a properly conducted contest preparation protocol. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to do this doing full body, 1 set workouts with cardio and reduced cals. I'm speaking from experience here as well... You will find that your metabolism crashes easily because of how low the cals have to dip, in order to keep losing fat while using a typical HIT prep w/ cardio.

It is amazing how quickly you can transform your body when you begin to implement more conditioning work vs cardio. The calories stay up along with metabolic activity, which in turn allows you to conserve more of the important hormones involved in strength, satiety and fat loss. It is well documented that low cals are associated with a decline in anabolic hormone profiles, especially with regard to testosterone... So, for naturals, it is crucial to keep this elevated as much as possible when dieting.

Poliquin is very well-respected and his clients have amazing results. Same can be said for Scott Abel... These 2 guys have definitely influenced my way of thinking about exercise capacity. You can train your body to become resilient. Case in point, I am able to manage a full time job, family and still find the energy to train 5 days per week. You should be able to do more work as you become advanced, not less. I now do anywhere from 45-50 sets in under 75 minutes... My clothes are dripping with sweat, I am out of breath and I am still strong in my "traditional bodybuilding" lifts.

Poliquin, in my opinion, is the real deal and so are the results of his athletes.

I realize that this is a HIT site, and people will not necessarily agree with my opinions or experiences. It's a shame that people think drugs are the only way to achieve fast results. In reality, it is the protocol and mindset of the individual that drives the results.

Best of luck in your decision,
Dan


Those are god points to consider-it is just that I have never seen this done and never had those results trying stuff like that.

If it works, awesome.
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backtrack

I'd be surprised if he hasn't used anabolics of some sort or even something like clenbuterol.

Ok in the first picture he has bodyhair which negates the before effect. As he could quite easily have just a bloated stomach. But look to the left at Dr.Darden's clients, they are more believable and achievable transformations...

Dan
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Joseph Anderson

Dan_The_man wrote:
I'd be surprised if he hasn't used anabolics of some sort or even something like clenbuterol.

Ok in the first picture he has bodyhair which negates the before effect. As he could quite easily have just a bloated stomach. But look to the left at Dr.Darden's clients, they are more believable and achievable transformations...

Dan


I don't know if/what he used, but he could have leaned out in that time frame without clen.

As far as Darden's clients, a couple of them are stating 30+ lbs of fat loss. I don't know the timeframe they took to achieve that, but do you think this guy lost much more than 30 lbs? I don't. But, comparing clients is difficult, when you consider differing goals, starting points and discipline levels?

I do think the before photo is exaggerating his level of de-conditioning (hairy, pooching out the belly, etc). It is very possible he had been that lean before (which made it easier to get back).

Personal experience is no reason to assume the above is not possible without drugs. Contest prep is an art, which takes an extreme level of strategy and diligence. Hire someone who knows what they are doing and then try it some time . . . you'd be surprised.

Joe
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theHITman

That's perfectly believable. He's already carrying the muscle mass in the first picture that he has in the last one, and losing 40 odd lbs of fat in 12 weeks is well within the realms of reality. Particularly if you have the kind of genetics to look like the after photo. I understand that's obvious to people like us and not the average person who it's being marketed to. They wouldn't notice he already has pecs in the first photo, and muscular arms and shoulders. They'd just see the way he's exaggerating his belly and equate that to 'generic fat bloke'.

Throw in the posing and flexing, magazine cover style lighting, and black and white shots in the after, and the opposite (poor lighting to give a 'washed out' effect, slumped posture, exaggerated belly (as mentioned) etc.) in the before shots and you'll get a very dramatic looking transformation. Bill Phillips has been using these kind of non-standardised before and after shots for promotion for well over a decade now.

On a side note, although it would have less of a marketing effect, it would have been much more interesting to see some standardised pics. Did they publish any of them to go with it?
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smanjh

Dan_The_man wrote:
I'd be surprised if he hasn't used anabolics of some sort or even something like clenbuterol.

Ok in the first picture he has bodyhair which negates the before effect. As he could quite easily have just a bloated stomach. But look to the left at Dr.Darden's clients, they are more believable and achievable transformations...

Dan


That is the thing-every single natural that has a log and pictures usually loses like 20-30 pounds from week one to 12-16.

You got a lot of 220 to 190 transformations all over.

This guy magically lost more than that fat wise and gained shitloads of muscle unless the before pictures were intentionally taken to make him look as bad as possible.

That is my position unless someone wants to link several guys that do this.
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smanjh

theHITman wrote:
That's perfectly believable. He's already carrying the muscle mass in the first picture that he has in the last one, and losing 40 odd lbs of fat in 12 weeks is well within the realms of reality. Particularly if you have the kind of genetics to look like the after photo. I understand that's obvious to people like us and not the average person who it's being marketed to. They wouldn't notice he already has pecs in the first photo, and muscular arms and shoulders. They'd just see the way he's exaggerating his belly and equate that to 'generic fat bloke'.

Throw in the posing and flexing, magazine cover style lighting, and black and white shots in the after, and the opposite (poor lighting to give a 'washed out' effect, slumped posture, exaggerated belly (as mentioned) etc.) in the before shots and you'll get a very dramatic looking transformation. Bill Phillips has been using these kind of non-standardised before and after shots for promotion for well over a decade now.

On a side note, although it would have less of a marketing effect, it would have been much more interesting to see some standardised pics. Did they publish any of them to go with it?


That is a good point, I guess it is possible-no pump, no favorable lighting, etc. in pic one, and flexing in the other.
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theHITman

By the way, all that is ignoring the 'week 6' photo and going from start to 12. The only difference between week 6 and 12 seems to be the way he's standing and the flexing he's doing. That's not to say there isn't a weight or body composition difference in those photos, just that there doesn't need to be.

If he'd lost the same 40 odd lbs in 6 weeks (as would be implied if you go from the first two photos), that's also possible, but there'd need to be another 20 or 30 other before and afters with the same results for it to be attributed to the training/dieting method and not the individuals potential.
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Joseph Anderson

smanjh wrote:
This guy magically lost more than that fat wise and gained shitloads of muscle unless the before pictures were intentionally taken to make him look as bad as possible.


You really think it looks like he gained muscle from week 1 to week 12? The power of fat loss, plus posing, plus lighting for photos. He probably had a net loss of LBM . . . at least a couple of lbs.

Joe
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crazeeJZ

Excuse me if I missed something, but this was an obvious muscle memory weight-loss phase. His delts give it away.

The guy lost fat and gained new muscle? Lol, ok. Gullible as such are the muscle mag readers. Not without muscle memory, or drugs.
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Tony Williams

Reminds me of ads in Weider and other bodybuilding magazines.

Maybe the "before" photo was actually the "after". lol

And how do you know it is the same man?

The ears are obscured in the dark in the first two photos -- perhaps for a reason.

Ear identification is nearly as exact as fingerprints. Even the ears on the same person are not completely symmetrical -- the helix, anti-helix, lobe, etc.

But humans rarely notice ears because you cannot study both at the same time. .

For example, I bet you did not know that Brad Pitt had an otoplasty.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/...53a3abb.jpg?v=0

Look at both photos closely. A more defined anti-helical fold has been formed by a surgeon by weakening, then bending and stitching the cartilage on both ears to enable them to lay more closely to the head.

Tony
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HDLou

Like in every other area of advertising, this would be one of the best case scenarios and "results not typical".
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jastrain

crazeeJZ wrote:
Excuse me if I missed something, but this was an obvious muscle memory weight-loss phase. His delts give it away.

The guy lost fat and gained new muscle? Lol, ok. Gullible as such are the muscle mag readers. Not without muscle memory, or drugs.


i dont see any difference between the "before" and "after" pics--except he shaved his chest in the "after". i also,think he's holding in his gut in the "after"---what??? l.o.l. this is a great transformation, and one that can be done naturally. i honestly have done something similar. but, it took a lot longer than 12 weeks.

i suppose on a crash diet 12 weeks is possible but, if thats the case, he will not be able to keep the weight off. "real" weight loss is a slow process that is more than just losing the weight. it is changing your eating habits and this requires a lifestyle change that you must be able to live with going forward.

it took me a year and a half. on a strict low/no carb [atkins] diet. i went from 240 lbs. to 165 lbs. in a year and a half. i did this by eating no carbs for 8 months and after the 8 months i allow myself 1 day to eat anything that i desire. my "cheat day" [carb load day] i do on my workout days. i workout 1 day per week. i do a full body, 1 set to failure,hit workout. my transformation was very dramatic also, because under the 70lb of fat that i lost, i did have a considerable amount of muscle.

i built alot of muscle over a 30year period, doing h.i.t..i have pushed myself in the gym, finding ways to make my workouts more intense, and more effective since 1980. i have worked out consistently, in a h.i.t. fashion, since 1980.i will take maybe 3-4 weeks off per year total each year for vacation and other obligations but, other than that i haven't missed a workout in 30 years. each rep, of each set, in each workout, i focus on trying to make the exercise more intense and myself stronger.

i absolutely,have been performing my exercise perfectly for 30 years. the one thing that i had no clue about was the diet. during high school,collage, and my 1st five or ten years in my career i never had a weight issue. i floated around 180s-low 190s untill my mid 30s. and then, i started to put on weight a little bit every year. i did not even think i was over eating but the weight slowly kept creeping up year after year. my fattest weight was 148.

but, i stayed around 140 during my late 30s early 40s. and a year and a half ago i saw pictures of myself and decided, "thats it" i'v gotta do something about this. i am killing myself. the weird thing was i didn't even think i was that fat at 240. i went to the gym and i was strong as hell. and i really wasn't grossly overeating. but, i saw full body pictures of myself and i couldn't believe it. someone i know mentioned the atkins diet to me when it was popular a few years back and i thought maybe i should try this since the high carb, restricted calorie, diets, that i tried in the past, i failed many times .

i took it very seriously. i did not cheat 1 time in 8 months. the weight literally, fell off. i was never hungry, and i actually, gained strength in my workouts even though, i lost 70 lbs of fat, at 44 years of age!!! with my strength training i have pushed the envelope for 30 years. i have always trained as hard as i could. i have been training correctly and i thought i hit my genetic limits years ago. i am precise with my workouts so, i was shocked that i was suddenly gaining even more strength. my strength levels were going up on all my exercises!!!

there is something very healthy about eating large quantities of green veggies and lean meats!!! i eat more now, than i ever eat before when i was on my high carb diet. but, the fat melts and the muscle/strength grows!!!! my diet is nutrient dense. i am fueling my body efficiently and effectively.i eat "clean" 6 days per week and i have junk/carbs 1 day per week. i feel i am not dieting at all. i am never hungry and i allow myself any indulgence 1 day per week. i am happy with that. before i started dieting. i ate almost entirely carbs. breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, and deserts were basically all the same thing. pizza,bread, pasta, all turn into sugar.

you are basically eating cake every meal, every day. foods you don't think are desert are foods the are not as sweet but basically will turn into sugar at digestion. your body simply cant process this amount of processed carbohydrate as you get older. i think i was becoming insulin resistant and even though i wasn't really grossly overeating i kept growing fatter and fatter each year even though i was exercising properly. the diet is a big piece of the puzzle.

i feel euphoric waking up at 44 with less body fat than i had when i was in high school and with more muscle/strength than i had in those years. and ya gotta understand during my high school years i was obsessed with nautilus and arthur jones. i hit those exercises with the same passion that i do today. and at 44 to have more lean mass and less fat--is simply mind blowing to me. i never thought it could be done and with so much ease. ya' just have to know what your body can eat and then you can eat as much as you want and you will burn all of your fat and actually get stronger at the same time .

just being aware of what processed carbohydrates and refined sugars are is all i needed to know to lose the fat and keep it off. anyone in my age bracket who thinks it is impossible to look like that before and after pic must try this diet, do it for a month. 30 days goes fast. make it a routine. after that month i bet you will continue along the path. because the 1st 2-3 weeks you'll drop 20 lbs and then it slows down to 2-3 pounds per week. but, after a month you'll realize that you are never hungry and you no longer have cravings for the highly processed carbs anymore.

the 1st 3 weeks are tough because you will go through a carb withdrawal of sorts.you will lack energy, and you will have cravings. but, after 3 weeks it is like a light switch is turned on and you wake up with way more energy than you had before you started dieting. it is great. your insulin levels are stable you eat no more than your body needs you never have not one hunger pang not even when your favorite carb meal is in front of your face. it is bizzaro!!

long post but, i feel this message must be heard. it was so easy and still is. in fact, it gets even easier when you get accustomed to eating healthy. you begin to actually, crave the healthy food over time--no lie. if you are middle aged and think it is impossible because you tried other diets and failed? give this atkins a shot. it is by far the easiest diet to succeed with. and you will feel great. get your life back!!! a year goes fast.

but, in 3-6 months you will have the bulk of the problem weight off. if you desire a complete transformation like the picture above keep going with it the year will fly by. by then you will be accustomed to eating healthy and you'll be set for life with a perfect healthy body
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FortCollinsFan wrote:
This is the caption on the photo:"The ability to construct a programme that garners such results in an individual living a regular working life and not that of a professional athlete is all too rare, yet using many of Nick's own methods combined with some of the advanced Poliquin principles that I have personally taught to Nick over the years Glenn's life changing transformation shows what can be done in just a three month period!"

What do you guys think?


==Scott==
It's an amazing transformation but I think for the most part this gentleman had most of the muscle already there, he just lost alot of fat so it would show. How he lost so much fat in that short of period and retained so much muscle is the amazing part.
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Another thing about the before picture is the dark shadow that blends the top portion of the delt, traps, and even some of the triceps into the dark background. The guy definitely had more mass than it looked like in the before picture. If you look at his hips, they are pretty defined and are not covered in an amount of fat that is commensurated with what appears to be a huge belly.

Jastran, I just started the low carb diet on Saturday and I am already down 5 lbs. I'm sure there is some water loss because the calorie deficit doesn't make sense, but nevertheless, it feels good. I am not going to get into ketosis, but I am going to limit my carbs to <70 grams, and most of that will be from green veggies. It takes a lot of food to get 2000 calories in me when it is just lean meats and veggies. This weekend, I ate until I was full and still only averaged about 1300 calories. I may have to force myself to eat a little more if I want to keep the muscle gains going. Anyway, hearing how well you have done on this diet at 44 is motivational. Thanks for sharing.
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Danabolism wrote:
You will find that your metabolism crashes easily because of how low the cals have to dip, in order to keep losing fat while using a typical HIT prep w/ cardio.

It is amazing how quickly you can transform your body when you begin to implement more conditioning work vs cardio. The calories stay up along with metabolic activity, which in turn allows you to conserve more of the important hormones involved in strength, satiety and fat loss. It is well documented that low cals are associated with a decline in anabolic hormone profiles, especially with regard to testosterone... So, for naturals, it is crucial to keep this elevated as much as possible when dieting...I realize that this is a HIT site, and people will not necessarily agree with my opinions or experiences. It's a shame that people think drugs are the only way to achieve fast results. In reality, it is the protocol and mindset of the individual that drives the results.

Best of luck in your decision,
Dan


Save us the anti-HIT lecture. I live here in London where Nick Mitchell, the trainer in question has a studio near me. On his website there are many transformations none like this "Glenn" and I conclude Darden's endless case studies surpass Mitchell's.

FYI, Dr. Darden doesn't espouse cardio so you're misinformed. Darden's approach is to get the subject very lean as the first priority and then move into higher calorie mass building modes. Check out David Hudlow 218 lbs at 28% body fat, 9 weeks later 173.5 lbs at 7% body fat. Four months on he's added 39 lbs of muscle and is 215 lbs at 8.3% bodyfat. Hudlow makes "Glenn" look like an underwear model.
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