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Tony Williams

Before drugs, whom do you think had the greatest physique?

My vote would go to John Grimek.

Tony
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dhitquinn

Id go for Ronnie Coleman lol
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Turpin

Tony Williams wrote:
Before drugs, whom do you think had the greatest physique?

My vote would go to John Grimek.

Tony



Hard to say Tony as a great many that we perceive as being pre-steroid were actually just pre-massive amounts thereof . But the above pic of Vince Gironda I think epitomises a great drug free physique. And from ALL the accounts I have read , he never did take anything.

T.

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Tony Williams

Turpin wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:
Before drugs, whom do you think had the greatest physique?

My vote would go to John Grimek.

Tony


Hard to say Tony as a great many that we perceive as being pre-steroid were actually just pre-massive amounts thereof . But the above pic of Vince Gironda I think epitomises a great drug free physique. And from ALL the accounts I have read , he never did take anything.

T.



My knowledge is limited, but I think of the pre-drug era as safely before 1950, but maybe I am wrong.

Yes, Gironda does look great ... amazing really.

To me, Gironda looks much like a drug-free Zane -- symmetry, definition, etc.

Tony
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Lioncourt

I've always considered Steve Reeves as the best.
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Tony Williams

Lioncourt wrote:
I've always considered Steve Reeves as the best.


Yes, Grimek and Reeves would be 1 & 2 for me.

Reeves never beat Grimek in a contest. Of course, Grimek never lost any contest.

Grimek photos:

http://aolsearcht7.search.aol.... grimek&v_t=client95_searchbox

Reeves photos:

http://aolsearcht7.search.aol....
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Tony Williams

Reeves training and posing video:

http://www.youtube.com/...feature=related
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kurtvf

Tony Williams wrote:
Reeves training and posing video:

http://www.youtube.com/...related


There are also a few vids about the (ugh!) Universal machine (oh no!) that was owned by and used by Reeves. What's up with that????
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Tony Williams

kurtvf wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:
Reeves training and posing video:

http://www.youtube.com/...feature=related

There are also a few vids about the (ugh!) Universal machine (oh no!) that was owned by and used by Reeves. What's up with that????


This will date me, but my high school had a Universal machine.

We could never understand why the school spent the money for it since the coaches did not want us to use it.

"Do you want to be musclebound?", and all that ... you know. :)

Tony
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donald

Tony Williams wrote:
Before drugs, whom do you think had the greatest physique?

My vote would go to John Grimek.

Tony

I liked some of Reg Parks photos

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Reeves was always the best to me.

What's so bad about the Universal machine? For it's time, it was quite the invention.

I especially liked the later versions (sliding bar), where the resistance increased as you raised the movement arm.

I went to a public gym in Barbados a few years back that had a bunch of old Universal stuff (the free weights were all tied up by locals). I used the flat bench station and had some really amazing sets of CG Bench, Bent-Over Rows, BN Press, and Haney Shrugs.
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backtrack

Technically speaking a pre-drug era does not exist as the possible consumption of animal testicles is likely to have the same effect as anabolic steroids, at least in tablet form.

Also steroids are just one type of stimulant. Stimulants were probably used a lot more liberally in the past, even in the form of tobacco - which after all curbs appetite.

Photography is also an important concept. Even before the days of air-brushing, as we see now, aspects such as lighting were important. Even with myself, in some lighting conditions I look rather pathetic, but in other lighting conditions I look very muscular

By looking to the past for inspiration we're deluding ourselves further as we can only hazard a guess at what factors produced the final result.

Dan
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larsvonthreat

i second for the iron guru!

but then its hard to know if these guys were not on something else.if i remember right steve reeves was into B12 injections.wich is not exactly what i'd call natural neither
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OmarZakariyaKhan

I thought Grimek dabbled with dianabol at York.
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Tony Williams

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I thought Grimek dabbled with dianabol at York.


That's the rumor.

But since he retired from bodybuilding in 1950, and Dianabol was invented in the early '60s, it would not have helped his physique much.

Tony

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
I'd have to say Levrone, wasn't he drug free, ha ha.. No seriously I'd have to say either Sandow or Gironda. All others I suspect probably used some kind of drug at one time or another.
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Tony Williams

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I'd have to say Levrone, wasn't he drug free, ha ha.. No seriously I'd have to say either Sandow or Gironda. All others I suspect probably used some kind of drug at one time or another.


Allegedly, Levrone took multivitamins on more than one occasion.

So he's out.

Just curious.

Say Sandow was competing in the late 1940's. Would bodybuilding judges mark him down for his relatively wide waist?

Tony
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Lioncourt

Dan_The_man wrote:
Technically speaking a pre-drug era does not exist as the possible consumption of animal testicles is likely to have the same effect as anabolic steroids, at least in tablet form.

Also steroids are just one type of stimulant. Stimulants were probably used a lot more liberally in the past, even in the form of tobacco - which after all curbs appetite.

Photography is also an important concept. Even before the days of air-brushing, as we see now, aspects such as lighting were important. Even with myself, in some lighting conditions I look rather pathetic, but in other lighting conditions I look very muscular

By looking to the past for inspiration we're deluding ourselves further as we can only hazard a guess at what factors produced the final result.

Dan


You must think that taking protein powder and creatine does not make someone natural any longer either. Where is an eye roll icon when I need one.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Gironda

Regards,
Andrew
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Tomislav

New York, USA

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
I'd have to say Levrone, wasn't he drug free, ha ha.. No seriously I'd have to say either Sandow or Gironda. All others I suspect probably used some kind of drug at one time or another.


That's interesting Scott, a lot of people claim Grimek was just too big to be natural - the link Tony supplied (I had to enter the last name to make it work) shows incredible development in many of his pics with a lot more in some than others.

I digress; look at the timeframe. I think he just leveraged incredibly advanced technique - power gymnastics moves - bulking to 275 and still performing those moves in training, explosive lifting and power eating.

Pretty much everything frowned upon by many who train HIT which is silly, because you can train all those techniques HIT as well and also power eat while training HIT; I do. But then I get natural pro athletes claiming I'm chemically enhanced while at the same time proclaiming the techniques to be ineffective and that one needs to eat like a bird.

You can also see Grimek had a much thicker core and lower back than his contemporaries as well, thicker than many modern chemical athletes for that matter. For some reason that's also considered a detriment but the thread title didn't say bodybuilder, it said best physique pre-steroid and I think we have to hand it to Grimek.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Lioncourt wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
Technically speaking a pre-drug era does not exist as the possible consumption of animal testicles is likely to have the same effect as anabolic steroids, at least in tablet form.

Also steroids are just one type of stimulant. Stimulants were probably used a lot more liberally in the past, even in the form of tobacco - which after all curbs appetite.

Photography is also an important concept. Even before the days of air-brushing, as we see now, aspects such as lighting were important. Even with myself, in some lighting conditions I look rather pathetic, but in other lighting conditions I look very muscular

By looking to the past for inspiration we're deluding ourselves further as we can only hazard a guess at what factors produced the final result.

Dan

You must think that taking protein powder and creatine does not make someone natural any longer either. Where is an eye roll icon when I need one.

Lioncourt,
Dan didn't say that, but creatine, while not on par with steroids absolutely makes one a chemical athlete. It turbocharges the krebs cycle and increases substrate similarly though via other mechanisms and when you stop taking it it can take the better part of a year to get a good pump again and to reach the previous size and strength levels from before you started, at least in my experience.

Does that seem natural to you? Nothing else has an effect like it (besides steroids) except perhaps vandal sulphate and that tends to make people sick. It's banned in many countries and grouped with steroids for that reason; IMO consuming athletes should be free to choose either supplement but they are by no means natural and I would also argue steroids are by far the safer chemical.
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Lioncourt wrote:

You must think that taking protein powder and creatine does not make someone natural any longer either. Where is an eye roll icon when I need one.


To a degree yes, there isn't really such thing as natural, its an overused term. Even if you consider someone that is genetically gifted - what is natural for them isn't natural to 99.9% of the population.

And generally speaking, most 'natural' products including creatine and protein powders are a complete waste of money. I take a protein shake more out of convenience than any real admiration towards a delusional idea that it will somehow enable me to turn into Zeus.

As for Vince Gironda, there is a lot of sketchy information on the website dedicated to him, and I think the only thing him and Arthur Jones had in common was their uncanny knack in being able to motivate people which says a lot about motivation given that Jones largerly employed machines whereas Gironda, used barbells.

Dan
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smanjh

Casey Viator. Not only did he not use steroids at his best muscular weight, he also had the worst receptors on earth when he started using, lol.

Seriously though, I would put my vote in for Sandow.

Not for the best physique bar none, that goes to Gironda or Grimek tied with Reeves.

But Sandow because he had absolutely no knowledge of what he was doing in comparison to what we have today and still looked great.

People now would think he was on drugs most likely, yet they really did not exist.
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HamsFitness

Reg Park, no contest whatever.

Athletic, aesthetic, strong, graceful and powerful. Contest over.:)

Richard
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SteveHIT

smanjh wrote:
But Sandow because he had absolutely no knowledge of what he was doing in comparison to what we have today and still looked great.


Professor Attila trained sandow, he was the AJ, Sandow was the Viator :)
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