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Tomislav

New York, USA

Just saw the music video promo for the new Conan movie and the actor is 150 lbs, the size of Brad Pitt in Troy; I'm a big fan of Robert E Howard and this guy does not match his depictions at all.

This is a joke; might as well have had Pierce Brosnan play Conan!

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??
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Bullen-Whatling

Apparently he is 235 lbs in this movie. At a height of 6'4".

"Over a few months in 2010, Momoa, a 6-foot-4-inch Hawaiian actor and model, added about 30 pounds of muscle to his 205-pound frame to play two high-profile, bare-chested plunderers ? Conan and Khal Drogo, the 7-foot-tall warrior-king marauding on HBO?s 'Game of Thrones.'"

I don't know how accurate that is because I thought he could have used a fair amount more muscle, even if our image of Conan is skewed because of Arnie.

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Rob
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HeavyHitter32

Tomislav wrote:
Just saw the music video promo for the new Conan movie and the actor is 150 lbs, the size of Brad Pitt in Troy; I'm a big fan of Robert E Howard and this guy does not match his depictions at all.

This is a joke; might as well have had Pierce Brosnan play Conan!

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??


I think he looks too small for the part, as well...especially when you consider how many massive guys/actors there are around these days.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Tomi, Tomi, Tomi. Always underestimating weights...

I thought muscle-wise he did pretty well. Based on his activities, I don't think someone like Conan (if he were a real person) would be all that huge. Too much size would be a disadvantge.

At least they didn't go for the painted-on abs 300 look...

I do, however, have a problem with those eyebrows. Geezuz, Mary, and Joseph! Ming the Merciless anyone?
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dhitquinn

Tomislav wrote:
Just saw the music video promo for the new Conan movie and the actor is 150 lbs, the size of Brad Pitt in Troy; I'm a big fan of Robert E Howard and this guy does not match his depictions at all.

This is a joke; might as well have had Pierce Brosnan play Conan!

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??


To be honest did this film need remade? Ive heard its shit and it does look it to be honest
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Joseph Anderson

Tomislav wrote:

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??


Why do you assume the trainer couldn't? It is just as plausible that the director/producers wanted the actor no larger. Recent depictions of the super-human no longer look Arnold-like. I gather that movie makers are trying to broaden the audience beyond teenage boys who are smitten by massive muscles. Those physiques have no sex appeal...sex sells. Not to mention, the mainstream audience seems to prefer a more feminine man these days.

As others have mentioned there are plenty of massive physiques...if that is what they wanted, they would have got one. Regardless of the original intent for the depiction of the character, film is about interpretation...not necessarily reenactment.
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HeavyHitter32

ddhitquinn wrote:


To be honest did this film need remade? Ive heard its shit and it does look it to be honest


Agreed. I just bought the original Conan The Barbarian on Blu-ray recently. This movie has a classic soundtrack and was really well done actually. I passed on Destroyer - I think I saw it ages ago, but for some reason I don't remember it holding up.
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Turpin

Tomislav wrote:
Just saw the music video promo for the new Conan movie and the actor is 150 lbs, the size of Brad Pitt in Troy; I'm a big fan of Robert E Howard and this guy does not match his depictions at all.

This is a joke; might as well have had Pierce Brosnan play Conan!

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??



Personally having read most/all of the Conan series of books ( although not having seen the film , going next week ) I think the actor depicts Conan quite well , moreso than Schwarzenegger who was overly large for the part , although he looked better physique wise in `Conan the Destroyer`.

I`ll reserve further judgement until I see the film ( monday )

T.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
I just bought the original Conan The Barbarian on Blu-ray recently. This movie has a classic soundtrack and was really well done actually. I passed on Destroyer - I think I saw it ages ago, but for some reason I don't remember it holding up.


Other than Arnie being in much better shape than the first one, not much good in it.
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marcrph

Portugal

I saw the movie "Captain America" yesterday.

When the scene showed Captain America shirtless....you could hear the Ahhhhhs!!! from the audience.

He did not have a bb look....but rather an athletic build.

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Tomislav

New York, USA

Turpin wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Just saw the music video promo for the new Conan movie and the actor is 150 lbs, the size of Brad Pitt in Troy; I'm a big fan of Robert E Howard and this guy does not match his depictions at all.

This is a joke; might as well have had Pierce Brosnan play Conan!

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??



Personally having read most/all of the Conan series of books ( although not having seen the film , going next week ) I think the actor depicts Conan quite well , moreso than Schwarzenegger who was overly large for the part , although he looked better physique wise in `Conan the Destroyer`.

I`ll reserve further judgement until I see the film ( monday )

T.


Turpin,
having read his books how could you miss the classic Frazetta covers? They make it obvious to anyone who misunderstood what Howard meant when he repeatedly described Conan's massive and powerful thews, usually in the context of extreme feats of strength; thews are arms and legs.

It's fine if you and Scott (simon Scott) prefer a pretty and petite Conan, but that's not Howard's character.

Joseph,
good point about the preference for more metrosexual characters but Conan was not a Spartan; I assume that some effort was put into a realistic portrayal of the character depicted in to novels and that's why I think the trainer is partially at fault for not putting more muscle on the actor.
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Uncaused138

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
ddhitquinn wrote:


To be honest did this film need remade? Ive heard its shit and it does look it to be honest

Agreed. I just bought the original Conan The Barbarian on Blu-ray recently. This movie has a classic soundtrack and was really well done actually. I passed on Destroyer - I think I saw it ages ago, but for some reason I don't remember it holding up.


Destroyer was awful, but Barbarian is one of my favorites. They actually had to build a set in those days, instead of CGI everything, and it looked GREAT. Soundtrack is awesome too.

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simon-hecubus wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
I just bought the original Conan The Barbarian on Blu-ray recently. This movie has a classic soundtrack and was really well done actually. I passed on Destroyer - I think I saw it ages ago, but for some reason I don't remember it holding up.

Other than Arnie being in much better shape than the first one, not much good in it.


Yeah, but how funny is it that Wilt "I slept with 20,000 women" Chamberlain was tasked with PROTECTING the girl's virginity?
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What is best in life?
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Public likes steroid physiques.

I think real life Conan would look like someone who has never lifted a dumbbell in his life. Plus 6'4" is an exaggeration, I say 5'8" would be a more realistic height for the epoch described.

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Tony Williams

Tomislav wrote:
Just saw the music video promo for the new Conan movie and the actor is 150 lbs, the size of Brad Pitt in Troy; I'm a big fan of Robert E Howard and this guy does not match his depictions at all.

This is a joke; might as well have had Pierce Brosnan play Conan!

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??


For those that are unfamiliar with him, Robert E. Howard was an author of pulp fiction, of which Conan the Barbarian was his most famous work.

Howard grew up and lived in the state of Texas in the United States. He committed suicide in 1936 at the age of 30 after his mother lapsed into a coma.

This version has been a flop -- both at the box office and among critics, one of whom wrote that "Conan the Barbarian "cannot be enjoyed or even sat through without being suitably drunk."

The $90 million film made only $10 million its opening weekend -- a huge disappointment for its producers.

Most of its target demographic audience -- males 18-24 -- were not even born when Arnold's version was released. So many may not even be familiar with the character.

Morgan Freeman does voiceover in the film although he is not credited and probably did not want credit -- take the money and run ...

I will see it ... once it arrives at the "Dollar Theater".

Below is a trailer with only fleeting glimpses of Conan who is no Arnold:

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=iPQ99y8KaTU

The question: are barbarians big and defined or simply big?

That is ... the question :).

Tony

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Tony Williams

Joseph Anderson wrote:
Tomislav wrote:

Anyone have an idea how he trained and why the trainer couldn't put more muscle on him??


Why do you assume the trainer couldn't? It is just as plausible that the director/producers wanted the actor no larger. Recent depictions of the super-human no longer look Arnold-like. I gather that movie makers are trying to broaden the audience beyond teenage boys who are smitten by massive muscles. Those physiques have no sex appeal...sex sells. Not to mention, the mainstream audience seems to prefer a more feminine man these days.

As others have mentioned there are plenty of massive physiques...if that is what they wanted, they would have got one. Regardless of the original intent for the depiction of the character, film is about interpretation...not necessarily reenactment.


Physiques in whatever form would not help draw a female audience to this film.

"Conan" is obviously targeted to young males. About the only females who would attend are those brought by their boyfriends or husbands, and most of those women would be brought reluctantly -- some kicking and screaming.

The film will meet its budget but only with help from the foreign audience and later DVD sales.

It will disappear from first-run theaters in a relatively short time.

Tony
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larsvonthreat

Joseph Anderson wrote:
Why do you assume the trainer couldn't? It is just as plausible that the director/producers wanted the actor no larger. Recent depictions of the super-human no longer look Arnold-like. I gather that movie makers are trying to broaden the audience beyond teenage boys who are smitten by massive muscles. Those physiques have no sex appeal...sex sells. Not to mention, the mainstream audience seems to prefer a more feminine man these days.

As others have mentioned there are plenty of massive physiques...if that is what they wanted, they would have got one. Regardless of the original intent for the depiction of the character, film is about interpretation...not necessarily reenactment.


Spot on Joseph.
I and my girlfriend think it's a disgrace compared to arnold.These guys(green lantern,captain america) don't look like superheros they just look fit.

I agree with dave this remake don't worth the ticket.
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Joseph Anderson

Tony Williams wrote:
Physiques in whatever form would not help draw a female audience to this film.


I never mentioned females...
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Tony Williams

Joseph Anderson wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:
Physiques in whatever form would not help draw a female audience to this film.


I never mentioned females...


Sorry, Joseph. I should not have quoted your message in mine.

What I was referring to was a statement by the director of "Superman Returns" who said he wanted to attract females as well as males.

As a result, Bryan Singer disappointed his core audience who wanted more action ... not romance.

And Warner Brothers was disappointed and hired a new director who, in turn, selected a new Superman.

Tony
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dhitquinn

I just dont get this whole remake trend, they are also remaking films that are A) classics B) barely 20 years old. Theres no originality and they are setting themselves up for a fall!

Can you imagine the lines from Colin Farrel in Total Recall

'il see ye at the shamrock Richter'

'if oim naat me, den who da hell am oi?'

'gert your orse to doooblin, gert your orse to dooblin.....'

'cam on Cooohagen, give dose people air for fook saake'

'Soicret aagennt, ow moooch is dat'
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Our boyhood muscle-envy roots are really showing on this thread.

We're complaining that the guy playing Green Lantern, a SH whose physical strength and musclularity are not his prime attributes, is not big enough. You're kidding right?

Expecting a guy that 1) Rides a horse most of the time, 2) is a thief in his early days and thus may go many days w/o eating properly, and 3) swings a sword every so often to be huge is to be out of touch with reality.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Tomislav wrote:
It's fine if you and Scott (simon Scott) prefer a pretty and petite Conan, but that's not Howard's character.


Dear Little Tomi Boy,

I already said I didn't like the pretty part, but the cat is anything but petite. He ain't as big as Arnie, but is as big as your Conan the Warrior artwork.

A visit to the optometrist may be in order!

The first wall art I bought when I was a kid was Frazetta. I had some matte framed and actually still have it up in our guest bedroom, which houses much of my library.

I also have some classic Doc Savage cover art up in there --- certainly a more realistic, but still muscular portrayal of a superman.

I affectionately call this The Boy's Room. I still like to escape and flop on the bed in there with my hands behind my head to chill out after a hectic day sometimes.

My point is that while I love SF and fantasy, I also keep my feet firmly planted on the ground.

It would seem from some posts here that others put their hands elsewhere whilst thinking of these images...

Scott
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Tomislav

New York, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
It's fine if you and Scott (simon Scott) prefer a pretty and petite Conan, but that's not Howard's character.

Dear Little Tomi Boy,

Scott are you going to keep editing this further as you think of additional adjectives to add on? It's tremendously entertaining!

I already said I didn't like the pretty part, but the cat is anything but petite. He ain't as big as Arnie, but is as big as your Conan the Warrior artwork.

He doesn't look like Frazetta's drawings; he's got like 14 1/2 inch arms. About the size of the guy conan is holding aloft in the first image.

A visit to the optometrist may be in order!

Did you get special glasses?

The first wall art I bought when I was a kid was Frazetta. I had some matte framed and actually still have it up in our guest bedroom, which houses much of my library.

Maybe you can share some where Conan is not depicted with the massive thews Howard described and Frazetta's images show so far?

I also have some classic Doc Savage cover art up in there --- certainly a more realistic, but still muscular portrayal of a superman.

Yes but Doc Savage looks more like a fitness model than conan; I've got bigger arms and shoulders than him but I'm not close to the size of Frazetta's Conan in those two pics.

I affectionately call this The Boy's Room. I still like to escape and flop on the bed in there with my hands behind my head to chill out after a hectic day sometimes.

The new Conan is smaller than Doc Savage and even more of a pretty boy fitness model thus you find him a pleasing addition to your boy wall; ok but he is still not a realistic portrayl, Howard's conan was a beast.

My point is that while I love SF and fantasy, I also keep my feet firmly planted on the ground.

It would seem from some posts here that others put their hands elsewhere whilst thinking of these images...
Scott

Then surely they must be jealous of you for your wall of boys in the boy room where you relax after a hard day.

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Exactly what is said below:

simon-hecubus wrote:
Expecting a guy that 1) Rides a horse most of the time, 2) is a thief in his early days and thus may go many days w/o eating properly, and 3) swings a sword every so often to be huge is to be out of touch with reality.


Plus, guys, I saw the movie in 3-D, I had a free movie ticket, so i did not pay $20 like other folks did. I will tell you to wait until it is on Netflix. Fighting sequences were terrible so is everything else.

I think the Scorpion King was at least 20 times better.
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