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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Today, I was browsing through a magazine [MMA related stuff] in Barnes and Noble and found this:

A group of elite scientists can study your genetic makeup and unearth your true physical potential . You can have a scientifically advanced workout specifically tailored to suit your DNA.

www.warriorroots.com

We talk much about how Mike Mentzer was genetically gifted [no doubt he was] but we never address our own genetics and our own approach to training.

Take a look at the website and tell me what you think. Personally, I would be interested to find out the best possible regimen for my genetic makeup.
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crazeeJZ

Didn't check out the site, but based on the line of thought presented in your post about it, your workout might want to have more to do with what your goal is than what your genetics are.

If your muscle fibers are predominantly endurance, endurance training might not be the best for hypertrophy. In my opinion, a variety of rep ranges is best for that, no matter what your genetics are. And obviously, progressive overload.
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perrymk

I took a quick look at the web site. It is an interesting concept, although I did not get the impression that this group was necessarily the most medically qualified to carry out the analysis. I may have missed something.

I suppose if you have $210 burning a hole in your pocket it might be fun to try.

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

crazeeJZ wrote:
In my opinion, a variety of rep ranges is best for that, no matter what your genetics are. And obviously, progressive overload.


Bingo!

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

perrymk wrote:
I took a quick look at the web site. It is an interesting concept, although I did not get the impression that this group was necessarily the most medically qualified to carry out the analysis. I may have missed something.

I suppose if you have $210 burning a hole in your pocket it might be fun to try.



Valid point Perry, if you know of someone who is more qualified let me know.

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perrymk

I don't know anyone more qualified, but it is an interesting concept. If one wished to seriously pursue this idea, then I would suggest contacting the sports medicine department of a university and discussing it with a researcher there. Maybe read some medical journals and see what, if anything, has been done.

As for the website, it looked a little comic-book-ish. That doesn't mean there isn't merit to what they do; it's just not where I would put my money.

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

perrymk wrote:
If one wished to seriously pursue this idea, then I would suggest contacting the sports medicine department of a university and discussing it with a researcher there.


It is so happened that I know someone here in NYC at a medical school working on a similar project. Thanks for reminding Perry.
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Nautilus1975

Everything is relative to your genetic predispositions - from disease to development


How big you will get, how hard or fast you can punch, how fast you can run, how high you can jump, how strong you can get

How much dexterity you have in your fingers, how coordinated you are, etc...


You can peak within those parameters of the genetics lottery, but not reach outside them - might as well try to get taller or shorter ...
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Nautilus1975 wrote:
Everything is relative to your genetic predispositions - from disease to development


How big you will get, how hard or fast you can punch, how fast you can run, how high you can jump, how strong you can get

How much dexterity you have in your fingers, how coordinated you are, etc...


You can peak within those parameters of the genetics lottery, but not reach outside them - might as well try to get taller or shorter ...



You miss the point... the conversation is not about reaching outside the genetics. It is about the test.

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The 9 sport specific genes that Warrior Roots examines are listed below along with their associated performance attributes:

1. Power and Fatigue = ACTN3
2. Lactate levels = MCT1
3. VO2max = HIF1
4. Body Fat = ADRB2
5. Strength = DIO1-D1a
6. Strength = DIO1-D1b
7. Exercise Blood Pressure = NOS3
8. Aerobic Fitness = PPARGC1A
9. Muscle Efficiency = ACE
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Nautilus1975 wrote:
Everything is relative to your genetic predispositions - from disease to development


How big you will get, how hard or fast you can punch, how fast you can run, how high you can jump, how strong you can get

How much dexterity you have in your fingers, how coordinated you are, etc...


You can peak within those parameters of the genetics lottery, but not reach outside them - might as well try to get taller or shorter ...


==Scott==
When I was I was in high School there was this kid who was at least 4 or 5 inches shorter than I was at 5'8" and 30 years later I met him and he was 3 inches taller than me. It was rumored he took growth drugs to get taller.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Arthur Jones pursued this and spent Millions doing so. Many of his Nautilus Lectures, Seminars, and Meetings with Doctors + discussed this in Major Detail. I have much of this on Never Released Raw Video Footage where they discuss what approaches to be an ideal routine for different subjects. Arthur had the Computer Testing Machines and that told the story - Not some Pseudo-Fitness Testing Scheme. There is much more to what I just said - Right Jeff? (Machines)
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Nautilus1975

kulitsa wrote:

You miss the point... the conversation is not about reaching outside the genetics. It is about the test.

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The 9 sport specific genes that Warrior Roots examines are listed below along with their associated performance attributes:

1. Power and Fatigue = ACTN3
2. Lactate levels = MCT1
3. VO2max = HIF1
4. Body Fat = ADRB2
5. Strength = DIO1-D1a
6. Strength = DIO1-D1b
7. Exercise Blood Pressure = NOS3
8. Aerobic Fitness = PPARGC1A
9. Muscle Efficiency = ACE


No I understood, I just don't know what criteria for evaluation would be fact based and scientifically proven...

I just commented on genetics being the overall limiting and determining factor....

I don't know what lab grade studies have really been done with hard data and widely accepted results from experts in the field of study...
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Landau wrote:
Arthur Jones pursued this and spent Millions doing so. Many of his Nautilus Lectures, Seminars, and Meetings with Doctors + discussed this in Major Detail. I have much of this on Never Released Raw Video Footage where they discuss what approaches to be an ideal routine for different subjects. Arthur had the Computer Testing Machines and that told the story - Not some Pseudo-Fitness Testing Scheme. There is much more to what I just said - Right Jeff? (Machines)


Did those computers swab your mouth? How do you know that this is pseudo testing? If Jones' ideas were so great and if he had so many answers to all the questions, where are those answers? Why nobody cares about what he said?

AJ most famous Pseudo Scheme was Colorado experiment, if his experiments in the field of genes were of a similar approach then they are equally pseudo experiments.

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WesH

Of course, the real wild card is epigenetics. Can you trump the hand you were dealt?
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Nautilus1975

kulitsa wrote:
Landau wrote:
Arthur Jones pursued this and spent Millions doing so. Many of his Nautilus Lectures, Seminars, and Meetings with Doctors + discussed this in Major Detail. I have much of this on Never Released Raw Video Footage where they discuss what approaches to be an ideal routine for different subjects. Arthur had the Computer Testing Machines and that told the story - Not some Pseudo-Fitness Testing Scheme. There is much more to what I just said - Right Jeff? (Machines)

Did those computers swab your mouth? How do you know that this is pseudo testing? If Jones' ideas were so great and if he had so many answers to all the questions, where are those answers? Why nobody cares about what he said?

AJ most famous Pseudo Scheme was Colorado experiment, if his experiments in the field of genes were of a similar approach then they are equally pseudo experiments.




The only info I can remember from Jones studies was the distance from your elbow joint to the start of the bulge of your bicep was an indicator of you theoretic muscle belly fullness potential or something like that ....


If there is more to it I think it should be more readily available and referenced


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Landau

Florida, USA

kulitsa wrote:
Landau wrote:
Arthur Jones pursued this and spent Millions doing so. Many of his Nautilus Lectures, Seminars, and Meetings with Doctors + discussed this in Major Detail. I have much of this on Never Released Raw Video Footage where they discuss what approaches to be an ideal routine for different subjects. Arthur had the Computer Testing Machines and that told the story - Not some Pseudo-Fitness Testing Scheme. There is much more to what I just said - Right Jeff? (Machines)

Did those computers swab your mouth? How do you know that this is pseudo testing? If Jones' ideas were so great and if he had so many answers to all the questions, where are those answers? Why nobody cares about what he said?

AJ most famous Pseudo Scheme was Colorado experiment, if his experiments in the field of genes were of a similar approach then they are equally pseudo experiments.



Grade - Incomplete
Reason - At face value as someone mentioned earlier - Buzz words, cartoon characters, and hype all around MMA - please - that's right, no one cares, therefore these Videos (with the exception of those who have copies) will remain private (by the way if you see this raw footage, you will quickly change your mind - NAW
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Landau

Florida, USA

Nautilus1975 wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
Landau wrote:
Arthur Jones pursued this and spent Millions doing so. Many of his Nautilus Lectures, Seminars, and Meetings with Doctors + discussed this in Major Detail. I have much of this on Never Released Raw Video Footage where they discuss what approaches to be an ideal routine for different subjects. Arthur had the Computer Testing Machines and that told the story - Not some Pseudo-Fitness Testing Scheme. There is much more to what I just said - Right Jeff? (Machines)

Did those computers swab your mouth? How do you know that this is pseudo testing? If Jones' ideas were so great and if he had so many answers to all the questions, where are those answers? Why nobody cares about what he said?

AJ most famous Pseudo Scheme was Colorado experiment, if his experiments in the field of genes were of a similar approach then they are equally pseudo experiments.




The only info I can remember from Jones studies was the distance from your elbow joint to the start of the bulge of your bicep was an indicator of you theoretic muscle belly fullness potential or something like that ....


If there is more to it I think it should be more readily available and referenced




No C, there is much more and a graveyard of more footage I will try to "dig up" before too long
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Landau wrote:
by the way if you see this raw footage, you will quickly change your mind


Yeah, sure, maybe I will, so post the video to Youtube and then post a link in here I will watch, I did not say I won't watch. I am hoping it is not the same old muscle bellies [the obvious] discussion.

MMA hype?! I am not sure what are you referring to. I am not sure that any martial art Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ, Capoeira, Judo etc., can be called hype.

David, I have to give it to you, you have developed some serious physique plus you area good trainer.... but... you are not a fighter... so you wouldn't know.

take care

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sgb2112

The test is garbage, borderline scam. I do see the appeal, especially to the mindless volume trainee/ bitter HITer's who still believes they have untapped gains that are only a new program away despite having trained decades.

Nope.

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Hitit

I looked it over quite a bit. It sounds Gimmicky and without much detail. There are a lot of marketing sales pitches in there and tier sales where you buy one to buy another and so on...

I'd be very interested in this and I even sent them an email asking questions. I don't like all the hype in the sale of the product with web site. You can't even call them.

I would want more info as to what to expect in the results. I can see the result telling me crap with a whole lot of fluff. I can see it will be on a real colorful piece of paper with pretty graphics more than anything else.

The web site is not really detailed or practical IMO but more filled with sales pitches and hype like I said. All the more reason it sounds suspicious...

As far as the profiling being useful....well it seems it could be, but without more specifics it's hard for me to judge.

Anyone thinking of trying this??

Brian
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Hitit wrote:
I looked it over quite a bit. It sounds Gimmicky and without much detail. There are a lot of marketing sales pitches in there and tier sales where you buy one to buy another and so on...

I'd be very interested in this and I even sent them an email asking questions. I don't like all the hype in the sale of the product with web site. You can't even call them.

I would want more info as to what to expect in the results. I can see the result telling me crap with a whole lot of fluff. I can see it will be on a real colorful piece of paper with pretty graphics more than anything else.

The web site is not really detailed or practical IMO but more filled with sales pitches and hype like I said. All the more reason it sounds suspicious...

As far as the profiling being useful....well it seems it could be, but without more specifics it's hard for me to judge.

Anyone thinking of trying this??

Brian


Brian,

These are all valid questions.

The only test of interest that they offer would be an Athletic test. All the rest including tribal affiliation it the past is just plain BS.

They have to test your maternal lineage as well. Warrior roots does not offer maternal lineage test.

Cornell University had a program in the past. Here is the link to a similar program:

https://genographic.nationalge...

I would only do an athletic test if they have explained to me how the comparison data was obtained. Cause if they test a "strength" gene they obviously interpret it somehow, so what is this interpretation is based on?

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Hitit

kulitsa wrote:
Hitit wrote:
I looked it over quite a bit. It sounds Gimmicky and without much detail. There are a lot of marketing sales pitches in there and tier sales where you buy one to buy another and so on...

I'd be very interested in this and I even sent them an email asking questions. I don't like all the hype in the sale of the product with web site. You can't even call them.

I would want more info as to what to expect in the results. I can see the result telling me crap with a whole lot of fluff. I can see it will be on a real colorful piece of paper with pretty graphics more than anything else.

The web site is not really detailed or practical IMO but more filled with sales pitches and hype like I said. All the more reason it sounds suspicious...

As far as the profiling being useful....well it seems it could be, but without more specifics it's hard for me to judge.

Anyone thinking of trying this??

Brian

Brian,

These are all valid questions.

The only test of interest that they offer would be an Athletic test. All the rest including tribal affiliation it the past is just plain BS.

They have to test your maternal lineage as well. Warrior roots does not offer maternal lineage test.

Cornell University had a program in the past. Here is the link to a similar program:

https://genographic.nationalge...

I would only do an athletic test if they have explained to me how the comparison data was obtained. Cause if they test a "strength" gene they obviously interpret it somehow, so what is this interpretation is based on?



I emailed them yesterday specifically asking about the athletic test and asking for some more explanation and examples of what the results reveal in practical detail. I want to see a sample of exactly what you get and how it is interpreted and as you said, what is it based on exactly?

I've not heard back...

The Cornell web site looks so much more legit on the surface. No hype and sales pitches and appears to be a credible institution. I found it interesting as it offers much more information into the explanation of the information.

The Warrior is mostly hype and less info and explainantion. Which I think can be typical of a "get rich quick scam".
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fbcoach

Hitit wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
Hitit wrote:
I looked it over quite a bit. It sounds Gimmicky and without much detail. There are a lot of marketing sales pitches in there and tier sales where you buy one to buy another and so on...

I'd be very interested in this and I even sent them an email asking questions. I don't like all the hype in the sale of the product with web site. You can't even call them.

I would want more info as to what to expect in the results. I can see the result telling me crap with a whole lot of fluff. I can see it will be on a real colorful piece of paper with pretty graphics more than anything else.

The web site is not really detailed or practical IMO but more filled with sales pitches and hype like I said. All the more reason it sounds suspicious...

As far as the profiling being useful....well it seems it could be, but without more specifics it's hard for me to judge.

Anyone thinking of trying this??

Brian

Brian,

These are all valid questions.

The only test of interest that they offer would be an Athletic test. All the rest including tribal affiliation it the past is just plain BS.

They have to test your maternal lineage as well. Warrior roots does not offer maternal lineage test.

Cornell University had a program in the past. Here is the link to a similar program:

https://genographic.nationalge...

I would only do an athletic test if they have explained to me how the comparison data was obtained. Cause if they test a "strength" gene they obviously interpret it somehow, so what is this interpretation is based on?



I emailed them yesterday specifically asking about the athletic test and asking for some more explanation and examples of what the results reveal in practical detail. I want to see a sample of exactly what you get and how it is interpreted and as you said, what is it based on exactly?

I've not heard back...

The Cornell web site looks so much more legit on the surface. No hype and sales pitches and appears to be a credible institution. I found it interesting as it offers much more information into the explanation of the information.

The Warrior is mostly hype and less info and explainantion. Which I think can be typical of a "get rich quick scam".


Have you heard anything back, yet?
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Acerimmer1

They are saying some people cannot develope isometric strength. So then I think we can assume such individuals would benefit less from SS candence since slow is closer to static than fast is.

Agreed?
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Ok, an update... I talked to someone very reputable in the field of genetic research here in NYC... I received a recommendation to use some other service... warriorroots.com ranks very low in the field of genetic research.
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