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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Slaughtering Sacred Cows

New RenEx blog:

42/XP Load Deadlift/big jim flannagan/"progress"???/ RenEx / Trunk Extension/ aging/ goals/ the real vs the assumed/ and staying the course .....
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Acerimmer1

Thats not a sacred cow Josh it's a dead horse.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Acerimmer1 wrote:
Thats not a sacred cow Josh it's a dead horse.



It's a cow skeleton
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Joseph Anderson

Joshua Trentine wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
Thats not a sacred cow Josh it's a dead horse.


It's a cow skeleton


sarcasm...i.e. the dead horse you are beating...not the picture.

It was funny, actually. Not true, but funny.
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db144

Sacred Cows make the best hamburgers.

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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Joseph Anderson wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
Thats not a sacred cow Josh it's a dead horse.


It's a cow skeleton

sarcasm...i.e. the dead horse you are beating...not the picture.

It was funny, actually. Not true, but funny.




that would be clever...
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Joseph Anderson wrote:
Joshua Trentine wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
Thats not a sacred cow Josh it's a dead horse.


It's a cow skeleton

sarcasm...i.e. the dead horse you are beating...not the picture.

It was funny, actually. Not true, but funny.



if ur crediting that one i can agree....the squat vs deadlift is truly a dead horse.....kinda the point of the article
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st3

Great stuff!

Glad to see you back on the forum.

Steve
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Perhaps periodic performance of Squats or Sumo DLs could help correct that leg press wobble issue?
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marcrph

Spain

Put your money where you pen is!

Win a recognized powerlifting meet with your superior REN-EX protocol and equipment.

Otherwise...all talk...or...hype.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

marcrph wrote:
Put your money where you pen is!

Win a recognized powerlifting meet with your superior REN-EX protocol and equipment.

Otherwise...all talk...or...hype.


==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Josh wrote:
I don't believe any amount of "other" training(other than RenEx), or practice, or even intent to just make weights move up and down could have made me strong enough [to do a partial deadlift with 1.2x bodyweight].

I disagree Josh, 300 lbs isn't a lot of weight to aspire to for a deadlift, particularly with a partial ROM. I think you're selling yourself short with the claim that a high rep set of partial dl's with 1.2x bodyweight would have been unsurmountable without Ren-Ex; I think John Christy or CW could have had you deadlifting 600 lbs or more and easily hitting 405x20 with a full range of motion by now.

marc wrote:
Win a recognized powerlifting meet with your superior REN-EX protocol and equipment.
Otherwise...all talk...or...hype.

I see many problems here Marc; they will expect a full ROM movement in the meet which will reduce the load. There will be no leveraged advantage equipment allowed, which will reduce the load. The athlete will be expected to perform within the alactic window, and Josh trains outside the glycolytic widow; great for endurance and mitochondria but not optimal for powerlifting.


Scott wrote:
==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

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db144

Dr. Ken's 23 reps at 405 lbs at a bodyweight of 170 and age 53 proves the superiority of barbell training. That is much more impressive and telling than your 300 lbs for 42 reps at age 40 and bodyweight of 240.

Josh please stop using yourself as an example of RenEx superiority, it is not proof.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Tomislav wrote:
Josh wrote:
I don't believe any amount of "other" training(other than RenEx), or practice, or even intent to just make weights move up and down could have made me strong enough [to do a partial deadlift with 1.2x bodyweight].

I disagree Josh, 300 lbs isn't a lot of weight to aspire to for a deadlift, particularly with a partial ROM. I think you're selling yourself short with the claim that a high rep set of partial dl's with 1.2x bodyweight would have been unsurmountable without Ren-Ex; I think John Christy or CW could have had you deadlifting 600 lbs or more and easily hitting 405x20 with a full range of motion by now.

marc wrote:
Win a recognized powerlifting meet with your superior REN-EX protocol and equipment.
Otherwise...all talk...or...hype.

I see many problems here Marc; they will expect a full ROM movement in the meet which will reduce the load. There will be no leveraged advantage equipment allowed, which will reduce the load. The athlete will be expected to perform within the alactic window, and Josh trains outside the glycolytic widow; great for endurance and mitochondria but not optimal for powerlifting.


Scott wrote:
==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?



Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

==Scott==
I could be wrong but I don't think Joshua ever contended that REN-EX is the best way to train for deadlifts and that point aside Joshua does not have the structure for deadlifting well no matter how good REN-EX or any other form of exercise he chose for himself to compete with those better suited to deadlifting like a short stocky Columbo.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

st3 wrote:
Great stuff!

Glad to see you back on the forum.

Steve


Thanks Steve!!!
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as for the rest of the comments i might have time to get to them tonight.

i'm not sure if anyone actually read the article past 300x42.lol from what i can see here.

as for the comment about r.o.m, the XPload machine was set at handle #1 it's the deepest ROM, i think i used 2 or 3 for the 1000# demonstration

as for another comment...i have no desire to build a Deadlift, but rather build muscles.

largely it looks like the intent of the article was missed here,my first guess would be that my writing is poor, but the comments on the renex site were more consistent with what i was trying to convey

here.... same mental blocks or people are just trying to be argumentive rather than discuss
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sgb2112

Excellent blog..and the feat is impressive..

"Note in neither case did I have any practice or experience leading up to the demonstration. On my birthday I completed 42 repetitions without setting the weights completely down even once"

Regarding Dr.Ken's squat..that was well outside the alactic window by a few minutes LOL! You fools are reaching badly.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

entsminger wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Josh wrote:
I don't believe any amount of "other" training(other than RenEx), or practice, or even intent to just make weights move up and down could have made me strong enough [to do a partial deadlift with 1.2x bodyweight].

I disagree Josh, 300 lbs isn't a lot of weight to aspire to for a deadlift, particularly with a partial ROM. I think you're selling yourself short with the claim that a high rep set of partial dl's with 1.2x bodyweight would have been unsurmountable without Ren-Ex; I think John Christy or CW could have had you deadlifting 600 lbs or more and easily hitting 405x20 with a full range of motion by now.

marc wrote:
Win a recognized powerlifting meet with your superior REN-EX protocol and equipment.
Otherwise...all talk...or...hype.

I see many problems here Marc; they will expect a full ROM movement in the meet which will reduce the load. There will be no leveraged advantage equipment allowed, which will reduce the load. The athlete will be expected to perform within the alactic window, and Josh trains outside the glycolytic widow; great for endurance and mitochondria but not optimal for powerlifting.


Scott wrote:
==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?



Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

==Scott==
I could be wrong but I don't think Joshua ever contended that REN-EX is the best way to train for deadlifts...
like a short stocky Columbo.

Yes, you are challenging the training topic Scott; just reread Josh's quote at the top of this post - his contentions are clear.
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db144

sgb2112:

Have you attended a RenEx seminar?

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J-son

db144 wrote:
Dr. Ken's 23 reps at 405 lbs at a bodyweight of 170 and age 53 proves the superiority of barbell training. That is much more impressive and telling than your 300 lbs for 42 reps at age 40 and bodyweight of 240.

Josh please stop using yourself as an example of RenEx superiority, it is not proof.

d


I dont want to offend you but it might be that you miss the point.

Joshua dosent claim its the best way to demonstrate strenght, just that he become quite stronger without practising DL.

Maybe somebody can lift more, by practisising the lift, still that wasent the message in the article IMO.

//Jonas
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sgb2112

In a nutshell..from their blog.



Paul Marsland December 1, 2011 at 2:30 pm

An important to point to consider, while no one is saying. me especially the squat and deadlift are not effective BARBELL exercises, IF done properly. The inherent problem with them, is in fact there execution, most don?t do them properly and thus makes them very dangerous, they are very difficult to teach which wastes valuable workouts, the list goes on.

Ren Ex is a STANDARDISATION of a protocol, there is no room for interpretation, nor should there be, there is some teaching required but this more to do with making the protocol as effective and efficient as possible. thus the trainees results are that much faster..the choice is yours.
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db144

J-son:

I didn't miss the point at all. Josh is stating the RenEx protocol has allowed him to execute this DL challenge without practicing DLs regularly because it is that much better than anything else. Again I say Josh needs to stop using himself as an example of RenEx.

Take an untrained person off the street train him for a year and then show me what they have attained compared to other more traditional methods. Until that happens it is all hearsay and nothing more.

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sgb2112

He posted client pics in the original thread. On stage no less. Does that not count?
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db144

sgb2112:

Have you attended a RenEx seminar? Why won't you say?

No, those pictures of thin old men don't count. That doesn't tell me how much they weighed before and after, how much progress they made in each lift, etc.

That is the same marketing AJ, every supplement company, and exercise equipment manufacturer uses. Show big muscles and imply the average person using said product can attain these results.

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overfiftylifter

Josh has every right to report himself as a single case study. He has demonstrated apparently that he is well adapted to the deadlift. But that is all he can claim. As others have said, to prove that his system is superior, he would have to produce a comparison study. We don't know if Josh had performed conventional training, he would have demonstrated the same or even perhaps a better result. Any claims other than "this is what I did" would seem to be in the imagination of the author.
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db144

After 30 years of lifting any and all people should be strong or they have wasted their time. Josh's circus strongman feat in itself is meaningless.

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