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Tony
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Interesting thank you.

Regards,
Andrew
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southbeach

i told ya! ;)
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

southbeach wrote:
i told ya! ;)


==Scott==
Speaking of I told you, I knew if the word Vegan was mentioned you'd show up!! Tony !!!! Please watch what you say man,ha ha !!
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kurtvf

entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
i told ya! ;)

==Scott==
Speaking of I told you, I knew if the word Vegan was mentioned you'd show up!! Tony !!!! Please watch what you say man,ha ha !!


I think I am going to go to a vegan site and start talking about lifting weights.
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southbeach

kurtvf wrote:
entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
i told ya! ;)

==Scott==
Speaking of I told you, I knew if the word Vegan was mentioned you'd show up!! Tony !!!! Please watch what you say man,ha ha !!

I think I am going to go to a vegan site and start talking about lifting weights.


forget it you don't have the artichokes lol

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kurtvf

Read the comments posted with the article. Someone is saying that he is "over consuming" only to change the way his body looks. Even the vegans can't make everyone happy. I guess some vegans are better than other vegans.
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southbeach

kurtvf wrote:
Read the comments posted with the article. Someone is saying that he is "over consuming" only to change the way his body looks. Even the vegans can't make everyone happy. I guess some vegans are better than other vegans.


while building muscle...first do no harm.

by that i mean health first

would you knowingly sell 5 yrs for another 1/2 inch on your biceps?

Not saying each is mutually exclusive, maybe not, maybe yes but how much is the mirror worth to you?

personally, my blood tests mean more to me.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

kurtvf wrote:
entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
i told ya! ;)

==Scott==
Speaking of I told you, I knew if the word Vegan was mentioned you'd show up!! Tony !!!! Please watch what you say man,ha ha !!

I think I am going to go to a vegan site and start talking about lifting weights.


==Scott==
ha ha ha..
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

southbeach wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
Read the comments posted with the article. Someone is saying that he is "over consuming" only to change the way his body looks. Even the vegans can't make everyone happy. I guess some vegans are better than other vegans.

while building muscle...first do no harm.

by that i mean health first

would you knowingly sell 5 yrs for another 1/2 inch on your biceps?

Not saying each is mutually exclusive, maybe not, maybe yes but how much is the mirror worth to you?

personally, my blood tests mean more to me.



==Scott==
Every time you lift a heavy weight you may cause micro rears/damage to the muscle. You can't stop living out of fear that your blood tests might be effected. If I was told that I could never eat anything but bean sprouts and lettuce (like you live on) or I'd die, I'd just as soon die.
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southbeach

entsminger wrote:
southbeach wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
Read the comments posted with the article. Someone is saying that he is "over consuming" only to change the way his body looks. Even the vegans can't make everyone happy. I guess some vegans are better than other vegans.

while building muscle...first do no harm.

by that i mean health first

would you knowingly sell 5 yrs for another 1/2 inch on your biceps?

Not saying each is mutually exclusive, maybe not, maybe yes but how much is the mirror worth to you?

personally, my blood tests mean more to me.



==Scott==
Every time you lift a heavy weight you may cause micro rears/damage to the muscle. You can't stop living out of fear that your blood tests might be effected. If I was told that I could never eat anything but bean sprouts and lettuce (like you live on) or I'd die, I'd just as soon die.


Scott, you do bring up a good point that exercise damages muscle tissue that subsequently must repair itself. Healing injury changes the material properties significantly. I have a feeling that trained muscle while becoming stronger is less efficient from a materials property standpoint.
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southbeach

This is an interesting topic..that i've never seen explored anywhere. Damage or injury to tissue often produces scar tissue..esp CHRONIC injury. Does trained muscle contain more scar tissue as a byproduct of healing/repaired muscle?
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HeavyHitter32

southbeach wrote:
This is an interesting topic..that i've never seen explored anywhere. Damage or injury to tissue often produces scar tissue..esp CHRONIC injury. Does trained muscle contain more scar tissue as a byproduct of healing/repaired muscle?


Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.
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kulitsa

New York, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.


Running,[IMO], is one of the most harmful things one can do to his/her body.
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HeavyHitter32

http://heart.beaumont.edu/...of-a-good-thing
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

southbeach wrote:
This is an interesting topic..that i've never seen explored anywhere. Damage or injury to tissue often produces scar tissue..esp CHRONIC injury. Does trained muscle contain more scar tissue as a byproduct of healing/repaired muscle?


==Scott==
I'm guessing muscle that has been inroaded hard and then repaired by the body will inevitably have some kind of micro scar tissue build up as a result. Maybe not?? I'm just guessing that the more you dig a deeper inroad/ kill the muscle with a hard workout the more chance there is for some minor scar tissue to form but then again every time we get out of our chair we are working some muscle so we can't just stop lifting weights out of fear we are going to form scar tissue. It's just part of life.
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HeavyHitter32

Exercise Triggers Stem Cells in Muscle

http://www.weightlossandcardio...
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kurtvf

HeavyHitter32 wrote:

Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.


One of the surgeons that rotated through my unit in Afghanistan for 3 months showed me a paper he authored where they did abdominal CT scans after running marathons. The mucosal lining of the colon was definitly inflamed and thought to be ischemic from lack of blood flow. He was a marathon runner himself.
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kurtvf

The article I just mentioned can be found in the Journal of Surgical Radiology. It is called Marathon Induced Colitis. David R King is the main author.
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southbeach

kurtvf wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:

Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.

One of the surgeons that rotated through my unit in Afghanistan for 3 months showed me a paper he authored where they did abdominal CT scans after running marathons. The mucosal lining of the colon was definitly inflamed and thought to be ischemic from lack of blood flow. He was a marathon runner himself.


You seem to be fixated on "marathoning". Marathons are a competitive SPORT and like any other competitive sport physical limits are pushed. i don't do marathons. You are comparing apples to oragnes...like comparing healthy HIT training to unhealthy professional bodybuilding.
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HeavyHitter32

southbeach wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:

Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.

One of the surgeons that rotated through my unit in Afghanistan for 3 months showed me a paper he authored where they did abdominal CT scans after running marathons. The mucosal lining of the colon was definitly inflamed and thought to be ischemic from lack of blood flow. He was a marathon runner himself.

You seem to be fixated on "marathoning". Marathons are a competitive SPORT and like any other competitive sport physical limits are pushed. i don't do marathons. You are comparing apples to oragnes...like comparing healthy HIT training to unhealthy professional bodybuilding.


You seem to go way, way overboard with your running. The bottom line is, excessive endurance exercise is very bad. You need to read some of Kenneth Cooper's later materials as he realized much of what he preached caused cancer, heart problems, etc. as a result of excessive running, etc.

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southbeach

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
southbeach wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:

Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.

One of the surgeons that rotated through my unit in Afghanistan for 3 months showed me a paper he authored where they did abdominal CT scans after running marathons. The mucosal lining of the colon was definitly inflamed and thought to be ischemic from lack of blood flow. He was a marathon runner himself.

You seem to be fixated on "marathoning". Marathons are a competitive SPORT and like any other competitive sport physical limits are pushed. i don't do marathons. You are comparing apples to oragnes...like comparing healthy HIT training to unhealthy professional bodybuilding.

You seem to go way, way overboard with your running. The bottom line is, excessive endurance exercise is very bad. You need to read some of Kenneth Cooper's later materials as he realized much of what he preached caused cancer, heart problems, etc. as a result of excessive running, etc.



Are you seriously suggesting that running causes cancer? Ken is so out of date now, most recent study show the enormous benefit of endurance activity as well as the safety.

I LOOOOVE running fast and long. Agile, efficient movement is so exhilarating.

If endurance exercise is soo "bad" how come very few die even during extreme competitive sport?
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HeavyHitter32

southbeach wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
southbeach wrote:
kurtvf wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:

Have you read the research on the damage that excessive marathon running does to the heart? They have found the same enzymes released which occur from a heart attack.

One of the surgeons that rotated through my unit in Afghanistan for 3 months showed me a paper he authored where they did abdominal CT scans after running marathons. The mucosal lining of the colon was definitly inflamed and thought to be ischemic from lack of blood flow. He was a marathon runner himself.

You seem to be fixated on "marathoning". Marathons are a competitive SPORT and like any other competitive sport physical limits are pushed. i don't do marathons. You are comparing apples to oragnes...like comparing healthy HIT training to unhealthy professional bodybuilding.

You seem to go way, way overboard with your running. The bottom line is, excessive endurance exercise is very bad. You need to read some of Kenneth Cooper's later materials as he realized much of what he preached caused cancer, heart problems, etc. as a result of excessive running, etc.



Are you seriously suggesting that running causes cancer? Ken is so out of date now, most recent study show the enormous benefit of endurance activity as well as the safety.

I LOOOOVE running fast and long. Agile, efficient movement is so exhilarating.

If endurance exercise is soo "bad" how come very few die even during extreme competitive sport?


Excessive running breaks down the entire body, yes, can cause cancer and heart disease if taken to extremes. You should be concerned about taking it so far. Cooper's research is very telling and just because his work wasn't done last year doesn't mean it's invalid.

I think some conditioning is important, but there are much better ways than running and not taken to extremes, i.e., more is better BS.
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HeavyHitter32

southbeach wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting that running causes cancer?


Yes.

"Marathon running elevates markers of cancer. S100beta is one of these markers. Tumor necrosis factor, TNF-alpha, is another.

From Deichmann et al in Melanoma Res. 2001 June; 11 (3): 291-6. ?In metastatic melanoma S100beta as well as melanoma inhibitory activity (MIA) are elevated in the serum in the majority of patients. Elevation has been found to correlate with shorter survival, and changes in these parameters in the serum during therapy were recently reported to predict therapeutic outcome in advanced disease.?

From Santos et al Life Sci. 2004 September: 75 (16): 1917:24, ?After the test (a 30km run), athletes from the control group presented an increase in plasma CK (4.4-fold), LDH (43%), PGE2 6.6-fold) and TNF-alpha (2.34-fold) concentrations, indicating a high level of cell injury and inflammation.? "

Top Ten Reasons Not to Run Marathons:

http://www.arthurdevany.com/...ticles/20091028
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db144

SB:

You should run more, don't sleep just run, run, and run some more...


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