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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

So the haters may have confused the issue but to clarify: Genetics, age, drugs, height and general 'bone' dimensions all affect someone?s look. Thus showing a bodybuilder is not proof of anything neither is strength 'lift' numbers. What shows proof is progress.

I personally have zip positive traits for B.B.ing but wished to be open and honest about progress after Brian Johnston and I were so rudely attacked for JReps/Zone Training years back. I even gave up on updating that in time. Besides it is tough to see small changes so every couple of years is fine, my next would be this summer.

If you look here at 2 comps of mine (1st and 3rd) There is clear progress (now here's the important part) even on my scrawny frame. I keep standing up for myself and chosen methods because I haven't stopped progressing. The second photo is from about 2.5 years ago.

So many just keep training and hoping but they only get fatter and/or leaner in a cycle. I have found getting real lean makes it easier to judge gains since there are no precisely accurate bodyfat measuring tools. Natural gains are very slow past the intermediate phase. Patience is a virtue as is thinking honestly and actively.

If I can progress with my runners frame anyone can just think - think - think.

Regards,
Andrew
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

And hey I like getting ripped I never minded not being massive. I completely avoided taking drugs or pumping up my bodyfat levels to past healthy just to look big...I like abs ;n)

All of course with and average of only 40-60 minutes of training per week (and yes I have done far more than that in the distant past. Sure I'd look a lot bigger if I was shorter like everyone else in my lightweight class but I ain't greedy.

HIT works plain and simple just depends on your goals.

Regards,
Andrew
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

AShortt wrote:
So the haters may have confused the issue but to clarify: Genetics, age, drugs, height and general 'bone' dimensions all affect someone?s look. Thus showing a bodybuilder is not proof of anything neither is strength 'lift' numbers. What shows proof is progress.

I personally have zip positive traits for B.B.ing but wished to be open and honest about progress after Brian Johnston and I were so rudely attacked for JReps/Zone Training years back. I even gave up on updating that in time. Besides it is tough to see small changes so every couple of years is fine, my next would be this summer.

If you look here at 2 comps of mine (1st and 3rd) There is clear progress (now here's the important part) even on my scrawny frame. I keep standing up for myself and chosen methods because I haven't stopped progressing. The second photo is from about 2.5 years ago.

So many just keep training and hoping but they only get fatter and/or leaner in a cycle. I have found getting real lean makes it easier to judge gains since there are no precisely accurate bodyfat measuring tools. Natural gains are very slow past the intermediate phase. Patience is a virtue as is thinking honestly and actively.

If I can progress with my runners frame anyone can just think - think - think.

Regards,
Andrew


==Scott==
I think you've done a splendid job of putting on muscle with the " Scrawny" frame that you have. Many on here have much better genetics than you but you have an ardent determination and consistency at working out that puts you ahead of many of us. Piss on the nay sayers, you can be proud of what you've accomplished!Sometimes enthusiasm prevails over genetics and you have enthusiasm !
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db144

Andrew:

What is your weight in each photo?

Thanks,

d
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

Someone emailed me about your photos, and I will tell you this...

1. You are in your 40s and have made progress that was not possible with traditional training (and we know what that means); progress that I have not seen on most others of your age and training experience (which speaks volumes of your training strategy and methodology over the past few years, and not on genetics and drug use).

2. People who talk about being more muscular than you just aren't getting it. It's not about comparing yourself to anyone else, but the progress you made with yourself specifically... how do you look and feel now compared to last year, the year before, etc.? To compare yourself to someone else (smaller or less developed) is nothing more than a bully tactic... "I'm bigger, therefore I know more"... argumentum ad muscleheadum.

3. As per the second point, overall development does not indicate a person's training knowledge or wisdom, but the degree of change that s/he is able to achieve over time (and being able to look the same/as good as one gets into the older years).

Best of luck, and talk soon.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

logicbdj wrote:
Someone emailed me about your photos, and I will tell you this...

1. You are in your 40s and have made progress that was not possible with traditional training (and we know what that means); progress that I have not seen on most others of your age and training experience (which speaks volumes of your training strategy and methodology over the past few years, and not on genetics and drug use).

2. People who talk about being more muscular than you just aren't getting it. It's not about comparing yourself to anyone else, but the progress you made with yourself specifically... how do you look and feel now compared to last year, the year before, etc.? To compare yourself to someone else (smaller or less developed) is nothing more than a bully tactic... "I'm bigger, therefore I know more"... argumentum ad muscleheadum.

3. As per the second point, overall development does not indicate a person's training knowledge or wisdom, but the degree of change that s/he is able to achieve over time (and being able to look the same/as good as one gets into the older years).

Best of luck, and talk soon.


==Scott==
Exactly!! I for one appreciate what you have to say Brian!
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J-son

AShortt wrote:
So the haters may have confused the issue but to clarify: Genetics, age, drugs, height and general 'bone' dimensions all affect someone?s look. Thus showing a bodybuilder is not proof of anything neither is strength 'lift' numbers. What shows proof is progress.

I personally have zip positive traits for B.B.ing but wished to be open and honest about progress after Brian Johnston and I were so rudely attacked for JReps/Zone Training years back. I even gave up on updating that in time. Besides it is tough to see small changes so every couple of years is fine, my next would be this summer.

If you look here at 2 comps of mine (1st and 3rd) There is clear progress (now here's the important part) even on my scrawny frame. I keep standing up for myself and chosen methods because I haven't stopped progressing. The second photo is from about 2.5 years ago.

So many just keep training and hoping but they only get fatter and/or leaner in a cycle. I have found getting real lean makes it easier to judge gains since there are no precisely accurate bodyfat measuring tools. Natural gains are very slow past the intermediate phase. Patience is a virtue as is thinking honestly and actively.

If I can progress with my runners frame anyone can just think - think - think.

Regards,
Andrew


Very impressing and good for the motivation to see. Thx for showing this.

//Jonas
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Turpin

Seriously Andrew your gain is nothing terrific over some years of training.

Your pic on the right shows a darker tan and better flexing of the pectoral over the pic left and you have your water under control thus appearing tighter , and whilst there IS a degree of change in body composition it is not remarkable , certainly not enough to convince me of your routines worth ( honest )

Any shots from the rear and/or double biceps ? .. or is this the same competition from 2009 that I posted on the other thread ?

T.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

awesome man!

it's been interesting to see the steady improvements in spite of the age factor.

anyone who can't see this is blind.

should silence the stalker
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

Turpin wrote:
Seriously Andrew your gain is nothing terrific over some years of training.

Your pic on the right shows a darker tan and better flexing of the pectoral over the pic left and you have your water under control thus appearing tighter , and whilst there IS a degree of change in body composition it is not remarkable , certainly not enough to convince me of your routines worth ( honest )

T.


Now this is funny, coming from a guy who shows only a bit of improvement himself from year to year. I got the same crap after I put on about 12 pounds of body weight after age 40 (after I abandoned the 'usual'). Execuses were made, such as different lighting, I flexex harder, etc., lol.

Seriously... I expect this BS, and so for other readers... Andrew DID train for years, and due to his mediocre genetics what you see in the first photo is the result of those years of hard work (including HIT, etc.), and then in the second photo you see the difference as he applied more stringent methodologies and applications.

And I did do a few sessions with Andrew and know how hard he trained (based on his fibre type, I really think if he holds back from full fatigue slightly, and add a few sets, he does better... and I think he does this). As if he's flexing harder... as if it's only the result of lower body fat level (you can see differences in thickness and girth).

When it comes to the pissing matches on this or any other site, the proof can be self-evident, but will continue to be denied in order to cradle one's preconceptions and biases. One can never win with some people, and so you move on. Turpin... I don't see any difference in your photos... it's all lighting (hey, check out those big shadows across his body in the after photo, which brings out more separation and makes him look bigger)... how does that feel?
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

And I noticed a few other things about Turpins photos...

In the later ones he's flexing a bit harder... he drank more water and is better hydrated... he pumped up a bit more... he had a few more carbs that morning... he was in a good mood and that affected his posture and confidence to hold his poses better... etc., etc., etc.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
What really strikes me about most of Andrews photo's are his excited happy expressions. Even if you did think he looks too skinny or whatever how can you knock a guy who seems so happy with what he's accomplished?

Turpin drove off one of the best posters on here ( Chuck) with his comments about how dour his expression was and yet I don't see half the excitement in Turpins face as I do Andrews! Negative vibes just exude on here.
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Turpin

Hey guys , Im sorry if my honesty upsets but that's just how I see it in regards to the so called `remarkable` progress.

I`ll post no further on Andrews thread in order to exhibit a degree of courtesy.

T.
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

Here is the thing... if one were to look at Andrew's before photo, a person could say... "hmmm... years of training and not much to look at" (ignoring genetics). But when comparing the two shots, there is an obvious difference, and one has to ask what he was doing in those two years that he didn't in the 15 years of prior training (it wasn't training to failure, as he was doing that).

Likewise, the differences between your before and after photos are no better (and you have better genetics!) than what Andrew accomplished.

And yet you are suggesting the differences are so minor (if any at all) that no credence can be placed in what he is doing, or his knowledge of exercise.

Consequently... ditto!
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J-son

Turpin wrote:
Seriously Andrew your gain is nothing terrific over some years of training.

Your pic on the right shows a darker tan and better flexing of the pectoral over the pic left and you have your water under control thus appearing tighter , and whilst there IS a degree of change in body composition it is not remarkable , certainly not enough to convince me of your routines worth ( honest )

Any shots from the rear and/or double biceps ? .. or is this the same competition from 2009 that I posted on the other thread ?

T.


Its quite hard for you to say to somebody you dont like for personal reasons that he did a great job, isent it?

Especially when he surpasses your own photos? I mean, that could actually indicate that he is better then you in some area...horrible thought!

You have already decided what you think about Andrew, a bit obsessive to write in his thread dont you think?

Chill out man, you dont automaticly loose because somebody else win, but I have a feeling that we already did have discussed that...several times...

//Jonas
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J-son

Turpin wrote:
Hey guys , Im sorry if my honesty upsets but that's just how I see it in regards to the so called `remarkable` progress.

I`ll post no further on Andrews thread in order to exhibit a degree of courtesy.

T.


Funny like a clown! You are not honest, you like to fight. Not the same thing IMHO.

//Jonas
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db144

Andrew:

What is your bodyweight in each photo?

Thanks,

d
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

By the way... ONLY YOU have used the term 'remarkable.' Neither Andrew nor anyone else did... merely, that there is a difference in his conditioning and overall mass/appearance. Were your changes 'remarkable?' What is remarkable, since it can't be quantified? It is very subjective.

Remarkable can be defined as: 1. Worthy of notice. 2. Attracting notice as being unusual or extraordinary.

Certainly his changes are worthy of notice, but when we extend that to the second definition... Andrew... did you say that your changes were unusual or extraordinary?

This is what I mean about exaggerating in posts... making claims that were never made by others (e.g., Andrew coming across that is changes were remarkable), and then arguing that point. It becomes a pissing match on here in order to protect one's ego. Everyone wants to be 'exact' when it comes to training Rx, but when it comes to communicating and debating little effort in precision is given to communicating ideas or arguments.
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Turpin

J-son wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Seriously Andrew your gain is nothing terrific over some years of training.

Your pic on the right shows a darker tan and better flexing of the pectoral over the pic left and you have your water under control thus appearing tighter , and whilst there IS a degree of change in body composition it is not remarkable , certainly not enough to convince me of your routines worth ( honest )

Any shots from the rear and/or double biceps ? .. or is this the same competition from 2009 that I posted on the other thread ?

T.

Its quite hard for you to say to somebody you dont like for personal reasons that he did a great job, isent it?


No not really , if it WAS a great job I would say so !


Especially when he surpasses your own photos? I mean, that could actually indicate that he is better then you in some area...horrible thought!


I would disagree , as I carry more muscle.


You have already decided what you think about Andrew, a bit obsessive to write in his thread dont you think?


Obsessive at posting on a thread on a forum that I frequent ? .... ummm no !
Is it obsessive that you post on here and on Josh`s thread ? ... have you other interests in mind other than training ?


Chill out man, you dont automaticly loose because somebody else win, but I have a feeling that we already did have discussed that...several times...

//Jonas




I posted ( out of courtesy ) that I would post no further , but that seem`s to have given leeway for you and this Johnstone guy to have a dig ... fine I`ll continue my thoughts on here as/when the need arises.

T.
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logicbdj

Ontario, CAN

You mispelled my name, Twirpin, but that's OK. I suggest you read my first post: You suggesting that you have more muscle is a pointless argument. What if someone else your height has more muscle than you? What the heck does that prove?

What counts is what a person can do with his or her physique over the course of years, and even months (depending on the stage of training and development), and Andrew shows just as good improvement/change (even better since he has a smaller frame) that what you have shown.
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Joshua Trentine

Ohio, USA

Turpin wrote:
J-son wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Seriously Andrew your gain is nothing terrific over some years of training.

Your pic on the right shows a darker tan and better flexing of the pectoral over the pic left and you have your water under control thus appearing tighter , and whilst there IS a degree of change in body composition it is not remarkable , certainly not enough to convince me of your routines worth ( honest )

Any shots from the rear and/or double biceps ? .. or is this the same competition from 2009 that I posted on the other thread ?

T.

Its quite hard for you to say to somebody you dont like for personal reasons that he did a great job, isent it?


No not really , if it WAS a great job I would say so !


Especially when he surpasses your own photos? I mean, that could actually indicate that he is better then you in some area...horrible thought!


I would disagree , as I carry more muscle.


You have already decided what you think about Andrew, a bit obsessive to write in his thread dont you think?


Obsessive at posting on a thread on a forum that I frequent ? .... ummm no !
Is it obsessive that you post on here and on Josh`s thread ? ... have you other interests in mind other than training ?


Chill out man, you dont automaticly loose because somebody else win, but I have a feeling that we already did have discussed that...several times...

//Jonas



I posted ( out of courtesy ) that I would post no further , but that seem`s to have given leeway for you and this Johnstone guy to have a dig ... fine I`ll continue my thoughts on here as/when the need arises.

T.



LOL..I love your interpretation of "courtesy".

post those video you call the "TUL VIDS" So everyone can see how huge you are.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

The only thing to remark about is the progress. Using a method of applying HIT in a way that brought gains after such a long stagnant period. I gained from lifting weights at a start weight of about 125-130 so a real lil guy for a standard height. I stagnated then gained again starting HIT, stagnated again then Brian put out APEX (with Bliting) then stagnated until JREPS. Finally I have added a trainer who understands the works and fine tunes it for me. BTW though progress has been very slow I have not stagnated since JREPS/Zone Training. It just makes it far easier to customize HIT no matter what your situation.

Regards,
Andrew
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Turpin

AShortt wrote:
The only thing to remark about is the progress. Using a method of applying HIT in a way that brought gains after such a long stagnant period. I gained from lifting weights at a start weight of about 125-130 so a real lil guy for a standard height. I stagnated then gained again starting HIT, stagnated again then Brian put out APEX (with Bliting) then stagnated until JREPS. Finally I have added a trainer who understands the works and fine tunes it for me. BTW though progress has been very slow I have not stagnated since JREPS/Zone Training. It just makes it far easier to customize HIT no matter what your situation.

Regards,
Andrew


So how do you measure progress Andrew ? ... you say you have not `stagnated` since JREPS/zone training.

Reps , resistance , bodyweight , look .... what ?


T.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian,
good to see you posting again! Andrew is in great shape but IMO you both need to lighten up a little (not weight-wise Andrew).

I agree Andrew put muscle on between those two pics - I've also pointed out he carries more mass (muscle, not just fat and water) in the offseason when he is not overdieted and burning up muscle tissue.

How would you use J-Reps to add another 20 lbs of muscle to Andrew (already advanced and muscular) so as to get him closer to Turpin's level of development? If your window was 2 years to make the transformation how many calories would you put into his bulk up shakes and how long would you keep him fat?
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JONKILCOYNE

Florida, USA

A Short,

Good progress and example of what drug free training can produce. I can definitely see positive improvements in those pictures. Congrats!
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