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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Just exactly what is conditioning?

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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

"Project Total Conditioning"

http://www.nautilusnorth.com/.../reanddev3.html


How does one know if they are conditioned?
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HamsFitness

When they can perform the task they want to be in condition to complete
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perrymk

marcrph wrote:
Just exactly what is conditioning?

My view is that conditioning is preparing oneself to perform an activity of an extended duration.

Conditioning for football might entail bursts of high strength with moderate endurance (I'm guessing as I've never played and seldom watch football). Conditioning to run a marathon would involve minimum strength exercise and much more running for endurance. Conditioning for backpacking uses yet different muscles.

I focused only on physical activity. We could take this a step further and talk about conditioning oneself to diet, study, sit in an airplane for long flights, etc.

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NewYorker

New York, USA

Thanks for reminding me of that study. I think it was one of the most informative ever done.

This particular study demonstrated that a properly performed 1970s style Nautilus exercise routine can have general conditioning benefits (amongst other benefits). For example, the men in the Nautilus group did not run, yet their running times improved more than those who did.

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southbeach

i can run a 5K in well under 20 mins..that's conditioning.
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sgb2112

This is not conditioning..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...n-58-stone.html
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db144

For you SB that is a survival skill.

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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

How about this definition.

A process of putting the body under a certain amount of stress to increase physical capabilities by metabolic adaptation.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

HamsFitness wrote:
When they can perform the task they want to be in condition to complete


Yes.....



Thank you
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southbeach

marcrph wrote:
HamsFitness wrote:
When they can perform the task they want to be in condition to complete

Yes.....



Thank you



Sounds reasonable doesn't it except the statement is circular that is a self-referential assertion that "begs the question"..and as such really says nothing at all.

like for instance:
"Only an untrustworthy person would run for office. The fact that politicians are untrustworthy is proof of this."

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iflyboats

When I use that word I'm referring to the metabolic and cardiovascular aspect of training, but that's not definitive by any means. It's not a technical term.
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southbeach

iflyboats wrote:
When I use that word I'm referring to the metabolic and cardiovascular aspect of training, but that's not definitive by any means. It's not a technical term.

i can run a 5K under 20..

who else here can say that?

no, one

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Hitit

southbeach wrote:

i can run a 5K under 20..

who else here can say that?

no, one



More importantly.....who gives a F?
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HamsFitness

It is no different than asking what fitness is.

It is whatever you want it to be.

The ability to perform a task.

Whilst running 5k is quite impressive it does not make you fit for anything other than running. Can you run a marathon in under two and a half hours?

Can you deadlift double body weight, can you free climb a cliff face?

To a powerlifter you are not fit to powerlift, to a climber you are not fit to climb. To a 5k runner you are kind of fit but not special fit by any degree. 3 people I work with run 5k in under 20 minutes.

Fit is as fit does.

We are all fit, but fit for different tasks. Some more so than others.
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sgb2112

The guy in my link is not fit by any definition..unless he is prepping for an all you can eat contest?
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

iflyboats wrote:
When I use that word I'm referring to the metabolic and cardiovascular aspect of training, but that's not definitive by any means. It's not a technical term.


Most do likewise.....


What metabolic and CV markers need to be looked at?
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summaHIT

Ontario, CAN

southbeach wrote:
iflyboats wrote:
When I use that word I'm referring to the metabolic and cardiovascular aspect of training, but that's not definitive by any means. It's not a technical term.
i can run a 5K under 20..

who else here can say that?

no, one



I'd rather be the Lion who can catch and eat the Gazelle within 100 meters.
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

HamsFitness wrote:
It is no different than asking what fitness is.

It is whatever you want it to be.

The ability to perform a task.

Whilst running 5k is quite impressive it does not make you fit for anything other than running. Can you run a marathon in under two and a half hours?

Can you deadlift double body weight, can you free climb a cliff face?

To a powerlifter you are not fit to powerlift, to a climber you are not fit to climb. To a 5k runner you are kind of fit but not special fit by any degree. 3 people I work with run 5k in under 20 minutes.

Fit is as fit does.

We are all fit, but fit for different tasks. Some more so than others.


What is fit?
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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Hint 1

Dr. Martin Gibala of McMaster University found changes on a molecular level that point towards increasing one's conditioning level.
According to Dr. Gibala, the number and size of the mitochondria within the cells of the muscles during his studies had increased significantly.

The average person does not want a molecular study done on their muscles....as a painful biopsy would be needed.


For conditioning measurements, what could be used instead of a painful biopsy, by the common trainee?


http://www.sciencedaily.com/...80604101529.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/...00311123639.htm






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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

Dr. Gibala also found out that biochemical measures of the levels of the enzyme citrate synthase, which helps tissue process oxygen, to be increased.

This is still an invasive procedure by Dr. Gibala.

What test(s) could the average Joe use to measure his level of conditioning increase/decrease/baseline?

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marcrph

North Carolina, USA

BTW, defining conditioning, and being able to measure reliably, is much more important than simply defining "aerobics."
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HamsFitness

"What is Fit?"

Whatever you need it to be; You are fit for what you do.

This is all covered in basic secondary school education.

Just the "fuzz" from the media causes people to lose sight of this.
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southbeach

HamsFitness wrote:
It is no different than asking what fitness is.

It is whatever you want it to be.

The ability to perform a task.

Whilst running 5k is quite impressive it does not make you fit for anything other than running. Can you run a marathon in under two and a half hours?


Doubt it as i don't do anything over 10K. I like to run at a nice clip.

Can you deadlift double body weight, can you free climb a cliff face?

yes, and no.

To a powerlifter you are not fit to powerlift, to a climber you are not fit to climb. To a 5k runner you are kind of fit but not special fit by any degree. 3 people I work with run 5k in under 20 minutes.

Fit is as fit does.

We are all fit, but fit for different tasks. Some more so than others.


VO2 is the measure of fitness and conditioning. Mine's in the upper levels for my age. What's yours?
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

It is impossible to get highly specific about 'what is conditioned', each individual has there own traits. SB runs a nice quick 5k and another like me smokes him in a 2k. ;n)

Regards,
Andrew
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