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jn6047

I am in the process of putting together some background info and my current thoughts on training. Hope to have it up tonight. For now I'd like to respond to a couple of posts from the renaisance thread directed to/at me.

jn6047



quote]gerry-hitman wrote:


Yeah your big man no doubt about it, But I will tell you steroids DO make a huge difference.

How do I know? I will confess here to have dont 1 cycle for 3 months one time. I was curious so I tried it, and this was only 500mg of test per week for 12 weeks.

I gained 45 lbs in 3 months! some might remember those pics where I got big on my bulk?

I I gained a ton of strength while ON also, yes I gained some fat also during that cycle.

But guess what happened QUICKLY after I stopped?

I started losing weight quickly and it was muscle weight and strength.

When I got back to being lean I gained almost NOTHING from the cycle a BIG WASTE OF MONEY

let me tell you I do not believe its been a year since you have used, to maintain the size you need to keep using or take short breaks in between cycles.

I would bet the house you use on an a regular basis, and it is a big deal with regards to your results..a VERY BIG deal.

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I have been very upfront with my useage, I have no reason to lie. If I wanted to lie I just would have told everyone I was drug free from the begining.

I have been clean for about a year, you are welcome to beleive what you beleive. I took the time off because my wife and I are trying to start a family. I regularly take anywhere from 6 months to 18 months between cycles depending on how my Crohns disease is. If it is in remission I stay clean. I have never, on any cyle, gained anywhere near what you did. In fact, I think the most I have put on in a cycle was 15lbs, including water weight which was about 10lbs, and that was my first cycle. The best gains I have ever made for size/strength have been in the last few months, training clean but training more consistently than I have in many years.

jn6047
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Turpin

Look forward to hearing your views on training J.
Whilst I am/have been vociferous regarding my stance on steroid use , I appreciate your honesty , much as I did Paul Marslands when he posted similarly.

T.
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jn6047

Seriousstrength wrote:



JN -

I don't mean to sound overly skeptical, but I am having a hard time believing that the before shot and the after are of the same person, namely, you.

Q: You cut out your face in these pix - any particular reason why?

Do you have a before shot in the same room as the after? Anything to prove that these shots are of you?

A tatoo? something?





I have a large surgical scar on my right shoulder. I scanned the before photo several years ago, it was glossy so did not scan great. I should have some other photos of various poses taken the same day that show the scar. I will try my best to find and scan them, or maybe find a digital copy because I'm sure I had a couple that showed the scar. In the after photo where I have my bicep raised it looks like it is on my left arm because I am photographing myself through a mirror.

I took my face out because I live in a small community, and this world is full of narrow minded poeple that would beleive that because I have/will use steroids that I am some type of dope fiend or unstable criminal. Poeple are very quick to judge and forget that I am a loving husband, son, brother, uncle, and a contributing member to society and my community.

The after shots were taken last week in a hotel while I was on a business trip. The before photos were taken in around 2000 in my parents basement (where I lived). The basement has been renovated since, but I think would still be discernable as the same place.

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jn6047

Turpin wrote:
Look forward to hearing your views on training J.
Whilst I am/have been vociferous regarding my stance on steroid use , I appreciate your honesty , much as I did Paul Marslands when he posted similarly.

T.


Thank you Turpin. I have enjoyed reading parts of your own thread.

I have no problem with someone taking a strong stance on steroids, I get it. I was there once too. I have a great deal of respect for some of those who don't use, as well as for some of those who do. Some people, wheter they use or not are assholes either way, LOL. I think what I really don't like is when I or others are demonized because of it. In the end I am not harming anyone in my use, and I am improving my own quality of life.

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

JN,

F___ the haters. Just tell us what you did --- both on and off the gear. The more discerning readers can make up their own minds.

The "Is that really you?" crap deserves no reply at all.

Scott
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coomo

jn6047 wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Look forward to hearing your views on training J.
Whilst I am/have been vociferous regarding my stance on steroid use , I appreciate your honesty , much as I did Paul Marslands when he posted similarly.

T.

Thank you Turpin. I have enjoyed reading parts of your own thread.

I have no problem with someone taking a strong stance on steroids, I get it. I was there once too. I have a great deal of respect for some of those who don't use, as well as for some of those who do. Some people, wheter they use or not are assholes either way, LOL. I think what I really don't like is when I or others are demonized because of it. In the end I am not harming anyone in my use, and I am improving my own quality of life.

jn6047

I dont think many here are demonising you for using steroids.I certainly am not.
However, to post "results" of a HIT routnie, and then declare that you were using,invalidates the protocol entirely in my opnion.
I may as well go to BB.com and see the "results" of 6 days, split routines that are posted there.

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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
JN,

F___ the haters. Just tell us what you did --- both on and off the gear. The more discerning readers can make up their own minds.

The "Is that really you?" crap deserves no reply at all.

Scott


Really? I have caught people by asking this question before.

JN - What would also be helpful are some along the way pix if you have any.

And we'd all like to know what your training was/is like.
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jn6047

I will try and dig up what I can for past pictures. I'll be honest, most of the ones I think I have are not flattering. But, it seems that some here think I have some hidden adgenda, that I'm looking to buffaloe a bunch of total strangers. That's fine, I'll give you proof when I get home tonight.

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fbcoach

jn,
I will echo what the others are saying. I would appreciate you sharing your ideas, experiences, and thoughts on training. Thanks!
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gerry-hitman

The other thread is closed so I will answer heavy Hitter question here

"Gerry,

Aside from the size and strength gains, did you notice other changes (energy level, aggressivenes, etc)."

Answer:

Yes, and in fact this is what I liked most about it, I felt great, my mood was generally improved all the time and horny as hell 24/7 not that I needed more of that hahah.

In the gym much increased aggression in lifting, once I get into the workout I turn into a weight training animal and it felt GREAT to really push it hard, the harder the better it feels.

It was actually scary to see the weights I was lifting compared to without. For example, prior to the cycle I could perform 170 lbs @ 8 reps on the barbell bent over row to failure.

At one point during the cycle I got up to 250lbs @ 8, and could do 300lbs for 4 reps, simply amazing strength gains.

That all went away when I stopped!

Recovery is a BIG thing...the next day I wanted to go to the gym, felt totally recovered!

I can see where guys get addicted to using this stuff, you feel like superman when ON and its a big letdown even depressing when coming off going back to being a mere mortal.

What this did for me was confirm what many of us believe anyway..that guys who use (training and diet) cannot be compared to the natural bodybuilder...it changes EVERYTHING, diet included..the way the body handles food is changed, with more nutrients going to the muscle.

If your a natural, get your training advise from a natural who have gotten good results, anything else is foolishness.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

jn6047 wrote:
I am in the process of putting together some background info and my current thoughts on training. Hope to have it up tonight. For now I'd like to respond to a couple of posts from the renaisance thread directed to/at me.

jn6047



quote]gerry-hitman wrote:


Yeah your big man no doubt about it, But I will tell you steroids DO make a huge difference.

How do I know? I will confess here to have dont 1 cycle for 3 months one time. I was curious so I tried it, and this was only 500mg of test per week for 12 weeks.

I gained 45 lbs in 3 months! some might remember those pics where I got big on my bulk?

I I gained a ton of strength while ON also, yes I gained some fat also during that cycle.

But guess what happened QUICKLY after I stopped?

I started losing weight quickly and it was muscle weight and strength.

When I got back to being lean I gained almost NOTHING from the cycle a BIG WASTE OF MONEY

let me tell you I do not believe its been a year since you have used, to maintain the size you need to keep using or take short breaks in between cycles.

I would bet the house you use on an a regular basis, and it is a big deal with regards to your results..a VERY BIG deal.




I have been very upfront with my useage, I have no reason to lie. If I wanted to lie I just would have told everyone I was drug free from the begining.

I have been clean for about a year, you are welcome to beleive what you beleive. I took the time off because my wife and I are trying to start a family. I regularly take anywhere from 6 months to 18 months between cycles depending on how my Crohns disease is. If it is in remission I stay clean. I have never, on any cyle, gained anywhere near what you did. In fact, I think the most I have put on in a cycle was 15lbs, including water weight which was about 10lbs, and that was my first cycle. The best gains I have ever made for size/strength have been in the last few months, training clean but training more consistently than I have in many years.

jn6047


Gerry,
kudos on being straight up with your training experiences and experimentation, and great results btw - 45 lbs in 3 months is fantastic; since that was quite a lot of cypionate I'd say 10 lbs of that was probably water and 10 lbs fat but that still leaves 25 lbs of muscle.

You didn't lost the muscle right away, you lost the water and started dieting and lost fat too quickly; this flooded your system with estrogen because it's bound up harmlessly in fat cells until you metabolize them.

Coupled with that, you probably didn't take clomid or Tribestan to restore testosterone production.

You can bet your house JN did both of those things - he restored T production and maintained plenty of fat; maintaining fat floods your system with leptin which bypasses the HPTA and directly increases testosterone production further. Not to mention there's plenty of fuel available for building muscle instead of burning it.

You are training now with strategies of lean gaining and skipping breakfast; it's ironic you disbelieve jn's training can work with or without supplements because the kind of training/diet that you are doing is least likely to build muscle naturally!

jn,
I'd like to hear more about diet - what's on your training table, how do you keep yourself motivated to eat big?

You've seen my threads on this so you know I utilize large quantities of saturated fats.

I'm impressed by athletes who can eat the chalk shakes and cans of tuna but I could never do that (ice cream tasting shakes no problem) and I wonder how long anyone can keep that up as a lifestyle.

What's your macronutrient breakdown like? When you are supplementing I imagine the protein ratio changes but not to the same extent the total caloric intake?

I think this is a big stumbling block for aspiring advanced athletes who come to the realization they need to eat big to get really big (and this is regardless of weather they are taking anabolics - good point about that).
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jn6047

As I promised the last couple of days, here is a bit more info on my history and training.


Background/Timeline:

Please note, this timeline is to the best of my recollection, I did not verify with my log books for exact dates.

1994:
-Fractured humorous at age of 14 requiring surgery and hardware to repair (2 staples).
-Injured low back/hip at same time.
-Suffered from "anxiety attacks" from age of around 14 until 30.
-Not athletic at all, last kid to be picked in school for any sport. Couldn't run fast, couldn't jump high, and was super clumsy. Still kind of clumsy.

1997:
-Diagnosed with Crohn's disease at 17, had surgery consult, but was determined not to have surgery. Treated with common medicines including high dose ASA and prednisone until mid 20s. Side effect of prednisone included weight gain and water retention in face and torso, and muscle wasting in extremities.

2000:
-Started weight training at around 19. Before pictures taken after 6 months of training. 5'10" tall, 150lbs, Upper arms measured less than 12"
-First 6 months of training was moderate volume. Remember after a few months of training getting buried on bench press under a loaded barbell weighing 95lbs.
-Not pleased with results of training, felt constantly run down. Started reading about Arnold Schwarzenegger?s training. Worked out for a couple of months following his intermediate routine in Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding. Constantly run down.
-Went back to original way of training with moderate volume, but would often run to the gym twice a day, still thinking more was better. Ended up with several cases of tendonitis in elbows and shoulders.
-Purchased my first Iron Man Magazine. Read an article by Mike Mentzer. Lowered volume of training significantly, focusing on 1 set per exercise (still on a split routine with large number of exercises).
-Contacted Mike Mentzer. He suggested I purchase his books. Purchased HD1. Followed routine, made some progress.
-Not satisfied with progress, found Arthur Jones' Nautilus bulletins online. Read everything I could about Jones. Started training full body HIT 3 days/week. Progress halted, began to regress.
-Purchased HDII. Followed Ideal routine. No progress.
-Went back to full body HIT routine thinking I hadn't done it "right". No progress.
-Went back to HD1 routine. Started to tailor exercises based on injuries, and what I enjoyed doing. Began seeing steady progress again. Trained using these principles for a couple of years. Got to just over 200lbs.

2002:
-Crohns disease began to flare up more and more frequently. Doctors started talking about surgery again.
-Read what I could about Crohns/Collitis. Some doctors around world treating Colitis with anabolic steroids. Consulted my doctor and began my first "cycle" several months later. After 8 week cycle, Crohns in remission for several months (think around 8 months the first time). Since first "cycle", have used steroids about once every 12-18 months for no longer than 2 months. Only begin using again when Crohns disease flares up more often than not and quality of life diminishes.
-Started reading about Dorian Yates, Trevor Smith, Dante Trudel (DoggCrapp), etc.

2003?:
-Working shift work, became run down and ill. Hospitalized for a week for pancreatitis. Lost 30lbs of muscle in about 3 weeks.

2005:
-Attained highest bodyweight of 250lbs. Suffered left A/C joint separation. Was not able to achieve this again until 2010.
-Herniated disc in low back due to work related injury and training. Reinjured again a month later.
-Training for next few years inconsistent due to shift work.

2009:
-refined current training split. Training inconsistent due to life and work (career changes).

2010:
-Sinus surgery in January, nasty. Discussed starting a family. Reached previous high bodyweight of 250lbs. Tore right quad while squatting.
-Stressful time, career changes. Diagnosed in fall with heart condition, placed on medications to control heart arrhythmia.
-Inflammation and loss of strength in right shoulder and bicep tendon due to previous surgery scar tissue.

2011:
-Stayed clear of steroids for most of 2011. Had started in February but stopped prematurely as I had a wedding out of country, when we got back we started seriously trying to start a family. Went through another career change with added stress. Crohns started coming out of remission, diagnosed with hypo-thyroid. I became very dissatisfied with my training consistency and two steps forward 1 step back progress of last few years. Became determined to change my lifestyle. Started training and eating with increased consistency.
-Continual problems with right shoulder (previous surgery when I was 14).

2012:
-All time high bodyweight of around 265lbs. Crohns disease flaring up. Heart condition fairly well regulated. Physical complications with trying to start a family so on hold until after surgery. Strength continues to improve. At this point consistency in eating and training cannot be overstated.
-Chiropractic, active release therapy, and massage have become my mainstay for dealing with my previous chronic injuries (right shoulder/bicep, low back, right hip).
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Tomislav wrote:
jn6047 wrote:


Gerry,
kudos on being straight up with your training experiences and experimentation, and great results btw - 45 lbs in 3 months is fantastic; since that was quite a lot of cypionate I'd say 10 lbs of that was probably water and 10 lbs fat but that still leaves 25 lbs of muscle.

You didn't lost the muscle right away, you lost the water and started dieting and lost fat too quickly; this flooded your system with estrogen because it's bound up harmlessly in fat cells until you metabolize them.

Coupled with that, you probably didn't take clomid or Tribestan to restore testosterone production.




I did the research and yes I used all the recovery drugs, HCG, clomid, ect ect. I went on the 6 week recover plan with everything I needed.

But there is no way around it, you simply are not the same person OFF!

If I would have gone back on in 2 months, and got into the more powerfull ones like tren and so on, and keep using what would I look like today?

I would be a hero over at bb.com!
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These are just things that have come to mind in the last few days. Nothing structured, just some thoughts I have:

My training has been heavily influenced by Mike Mentzer, Dorian Yates, Trevor Smith, Dante Trudel (DoggCrapp), Kevin Levrone, Andy Bolton, Aurthur Jones, and various others.

I strongly believe in the utilization of a log book, and striving to beat reps or weight or both each workout. I also have come to realize that while rest is important, consistency in training cannot be understated.

I use a variety of free weight, selectorized, and plate loaded equipment. I believe in using the right tool for the job so to speak. I am a nut for high quality equipment. I have a list of items I want to add to my gym, and near the top are a Forza competition bench press, Nebula leg press and smith machine, and Flex Kneeling leg curl. My gym is packed with stuff, lots of Hammer Strength, 1st gen Nautilus, dumbbells to 150lbs, etc.

I don't quite understand this whole "outroading" thing. I am of the belief that the body must be tight in order to generate peak force and strength. If I am doing a chest press that means my back is fixed, my legs are planted, and my "base" is prepared for some heavy weight.

I don't believe in using lamas breathing during exercise. I take a breath, unrack the weight, perform the repetition, breathing out at the completion, take another breath and proceed again. I probably grunt from time to time, and I don't worry about it. It's a gym, not a medical clinic.

I try to stick with a weight until I feel that I own it. If I have a couple of consecutive workouts where I don't get what I think I should, I drop weight the next workout.

I like chalk. I like music. I like motivating pictures. I don't care about temperature in my gym. If it's cold I wear more clothes. If it's hot, I sweat more.

Between exercises I will often look at video clips of bodybuilders or powerlifters who inspire me. More often than not it?s Dorian Yates.

All of my working sets are taken to failure. Certain exercises I will follow with forced reps occasionally if I have a competent spotter, or a couple of cheat reps. Sometimes even some rest pause reps. These are used sparingly and normally only when I feel especially resilient. I can't seem to back off on my intensity. Instead, I try to take a week off from training every couple of months so that intensity remains high.

I perceive arms and hamstrings as my greatest weaknesses right now. I hate training biceps, but enjoy training triceps. Hamstrings I have a hard time feeling, and I am unable to perform stiff leg deadlifts for them right now. I'm trying to track down a kneeling leg curl for variety.


My right shoulder has been a constant pain to me since my accident when I was 14. I cannot perform behind the neck presses anymore without debilitating results. I also cannot use a low bar position on squats, so my squat weight has suffered a bit, but is progressing.

I take very little supplements, and I take zero supplements that contain stimulants. Because of my heart condition I have to avoid caffeine, so no soft drinks either except for ginger ale which I find helps my stomach. I use protein powder, and occasionally glutamine and creative. I also take a multi-vitamin, glucosamine for joint health, and both vitamin C and D. Supplements should complement a solid nutrition plan, not be a poor replacement for it.

I've basically given up alcohol as well due to my heart condition. It sucks though, because I used to like tearing one on every now and again, LOL.

I have 3 jobs and work 12-14 hours a day most days.

My training does not change whether I'm using or not using steroids. Neither does my feeding. I think that is a major reason why I am able to make progress either way.

I have found that while using steroids I don't sleep as long, about 30 minutes less a night. I tend to wake up earlier.
I'm not a morning person, never have been.

I hardly do any cardio (treadmill, etc). I know I need to for heart health and to lean down a bit, and I am working towards it. For sure this summer.

I am more concerned with how I will look, than with how I look now. I am of the belief that if you want to be a muscular 250lbs and you weigh 230 lbs, then you need to eat like a 250lber to get there. I'd rather diet off some fat than not reach my goals.

I used to wear tank tops all the time to the gym, especially when I was really scrawny. I grew up reading comic books and admiring my uncle, who at 6'1 and 200lbs seemed just like the superheroes. I always wanted to be big and strong. So when I started training I wanted everyone to think that about me too. Now, my workout attire consists of sweatpants, t-shirts, and hoodies. I used to want attention, now I try to stay away from it. The larger I get, the more obvious I workout, the more attention it brings, and it's not always "good" attention. In the end, I don't care if other people don't like the way I look (except for my wife, and she and my mom both say I'm handsome), I do this for me.

Allot of people only ever want to talk about training with me, but I have allot more interests than just that.

I have 2 weight lifting belts. A fabric Valeo I use on back day, and a leather 4" Cardillo I use for everything else. I also wear straps for heavy back and shrugs, and elbow sleeves during any pressing movements. The sleeves are there to keep heat in the joints, they provide no support.

My workouts take anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours. If I'm tired, I train slower. Sometimes I get interrupted because I own the gym. I try not to stress about the small stuff.

When I'm ready for a set, I'm ready. I turn the switch on in my head. It doesn't matter if someone just told me a rather funny raunchy joke, when I'm ready I'm just ready and my focus is on the set to come.

Stress is a killer. Stressing about your workout, like I used to do, and changing it constantly, will only short circuit progress. Changes must be deliberate. That's where a log book comes in handy. Stressing about little things, I used to do that too. I used to worry about the most miniscule things, and then I realized that in the grand scheme of things, they really didn't matter.

I don't like certain exercises, like preacher curls, behind the head tricep dumbbell extensions, lunges, dumbbell flat presses, etc. So, I pretty much just don't do them.

For the longest time I would skip workouts and add more rest days, to the point where I was only training 2 days a week. I would rationalize to myself that I wasn't feeling ready or recovered. That the last workout was so taxing. Even though I was getting all kinds of rest, I wasn't improving at the rate I thought I should and I didn't feel like I had energy for anything. I know now that I allowed myself to become reconditioned, and that while rest is important, it needs balance like everything else. I'm finding now that training 4 days out of seven I can do this for about 6-9 weeks, and then I will take a week off. This extended rest does feel good, and I do not feel reconditioned as before even though I'm getting "less" rest. I look at it like this; If I'm training 4-6 hours per week, eating quality foods, and sleeping 7 hours a night, how terribly inefficient is the human body if 160 hours of rest during the week is not enough?

I cannot stress just how important I have found consistency in training and eating. Yes, many will say I am where I am solely because of drugs, but I do make progress without them. If your training, eating, and recovery (rest) is good you will make progress. Add drugs, you will make more. Neglect training, eating, or rest and no amount of drugs will make up for it.

I must be really good at lifting and moving heavy things because I get asked to do it all the time.

I like to laugh, allot. I've got some great friends and workout buddies. We have some serious camaraderie and are supportive of each other?s goals (and like vultures when someone is down, LOL). I think it is very important to surround yourself with people who have positive attitudes. I also think it's important to help others realize their own potential.

Most people are just not willing to put in the time it takes to make major progress. They would rather spend their time reading about training, or debating about it on the internet, or in the end making excuses for not achieving it. Been there done that, didn't work, moved on.

I don't know how many skinny kids have come to me looking for advice, wanting to know what supplements to take and if what they should do to get "huge". Then when I give it, they blow it off and say it's too much, or they already eat "a lot" or their training is perfect and they got some great advice from so and so (normally of the same age who has slightly more experience than they do). Very few "get it". This endeavor, it takes time. It's not for those who require instant gratification.
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I'm not sure what else to write at this point. So, here is my current training routine (including recently recorded sets and reps):

4 day split over 7-8 days.

Prefer Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, off on Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday, but if I can't train because of work or meetings, then I try my best to make up for it the next day, so the schedule does get buggered from time to time. Last week I took the week off for traveling for work.


Day 1:
Chest/biceps

Warm- up put weights away in gym then incline db press 40lb dumbbells 2 sets of 10

Incline bench press
Warm-up empty bar x 8 reps
Warm-up 135lbs x 8 reps
Warm-up 185lbs x 8 reps
Warm-up 225lbs x 2 reps
Work set 265lbs x 6 reps (goal this year is to hit 315 for 6)

Hammer iso-lateral chest press
Warm-up 180x8
Work set 250x8

Incline dumbbell flys
Warm-up 60lb dumbbells x 8
Work set 80lb dumbbells x 7

Cable flys
Warm-up 70lbs/side x 8 reps
Work set 100lbs/side x 8 reps

Nautilus multi-bicep 1 arm curls
Warm-up 110lbs x 8 reps each
Work set 150lbs x 8 reps each

Cambered bar curls
Warm-up 90lbs x 8 reps
Work set 140lbs x 6 reps

Alternating dumbbell hammer curls
50lbs x 7 reps


Day 2:
Back

Warm-up put weights away in gym and then close grip cable pulldowns 2 sets 100lbs x 8 reps



Alternate every workout between pullovers and pulldowns


Hammer iso-lateral pulldowns
Warm-up 90lbs x 8
Warm-up 180lbs x 8
Work set 230lbs x 7
Or
Nautilus plate load pullovers
Warm-up 100lbs x 8
Warm-up 200lbs x 8
Work set 260lbs x 6

Barbell rows
Warm-up 225lbs x 8
Work set 315lbs x 7

Wide grip cable rows
Warm-up 160lbs x 8
Work set 230lbs x 7

Deadlifts (first rep from floor, next reps below knee level)
Warm-up 315lbs x 8
Work set 405lbs x 7

Pec fly rear delt
Warm-up 90lbs x 8
Work set 140lbs x 7

Day 3:
Shoulders/traps/tries

Warm-up put weights away in gym, dumbbell shoulder press 2 sets 40lb dumbbells x 8 reps

Dumbbell shoulder press
Warm-up 60lb dumbbells x 8 reps
Warm-up 80lb dumbbells x 8 reps
Work set 100lb dumbbells x 6 reps (working back to previous best of 110lb dumbbells x 8)

Seated dumbbell lateral raises
Warm-up 40lb dumbbells x 8 reps
Work set 50lb dumbbells x 7 reps

Cable 1 arm laterals
Warm-up 40lbs x 8 each
Work set 50lbs x 7 each


Barbell Shrugs
Warm-up 315lbs x 8
Work set 485lbs x 8

Straight bar triceps pushdowns
Warm-up 70lbs x 10
Warm-up 100lbs x 10
Work set 140lbs x 7

Skull crushers
Warm-up 90lbs x 8
Work set 130lbs x 7

Nautilus 1-arm extension
130lbs x 8 each

Day 4:
Legs

Warm-up put weights away in gym, leg press 2 sets 270lbs x 10, lying leg curls 70lbs x 10 reps

Nautilus leg extension
Warm-up 150lbs x 10
Warm-up 200lbs x 10
Work set 250lbs x 9

Leg Press
Warm-up 360lbs x 10
Warm-up 540lbs x 10
Work set 720lbs x 9

Squats
Warm-up 135lbs x 10
Warm-up 225lbs x 10
Work set 385lbs x 8

Lying leg curls
Warm-up 110lbs x 10 reps
Work set 170lbx s 8 reps

Standing calf raise
Warm-up 300lbs x 10 reps
Work set 460lbs x 10 reps followed by drop set of 400lbs x 6 reps


Repetitions are executed with controlled force. The heavier the weight, the more explosive, although it does not look as explosive. Negatives are controlled; it's like a spring compressing. Average repetition in a set is probably like 1 second positive, 1-2 seconds negative, slowing down as the set continues.


Previous personal bests:

Flat bench press 355 x 5
Incline bench press 275 x 4
Deadlift 495 x 2, 475 x 4
Squat 405 x 6


I'll follow this up soon with my current diet. Thanks for the question on diet Tomislav.

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Found a few on this computer. This one was taken around March 2006.

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April 2010

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Taken yesterday, Feb. 20th, 2012

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gerry-hitman

jn6047 wrote:
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Had I continued to use, I know for a FACT that by now I would be as big or bigger than you.

I would be training 4 or 5 days a week with much higher volume and feeling recovered!

Imagine, getting up to 700mg test combined with 300 mg Tren, combined with some other goodies.

Then if I add the HGH, the sky is the limit!

But the price to be paid is its all FAKE.

Not to mention possible serious side effects down the road...
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Dang dude!

That routine of yours is so close to Dorian's that you're gonna have to pay him royalties!...even down to the "coiled spring" analogy!

All kidding aside, best wishes with it.

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gerry-hitman wrote:
jn6047 wrote:
Taken yesterday, Feb. 20th, 2012

jn6047

Had I continued to use, I know for a FACT that by now I would be as big or bigger than you.

I would be training 4 or 5 days a week with much higher volume and feeling recovered!

Imagine, getting up to 700mg test combined with 300 mg Tren, combined with some other goodies.

Then if I add the HGH, the sky is the limit!

But the price to be paid is its all FAKE.

Not to mention possible serious side effects down the road...



That's very good. That doesn't sound like sour grapes, jealousy, or ignorance at all. Good for you.

I have been clean for about a year, I have made some of the best progress of my life recently. Certainly it's fake, thank you for pointing that out.

This will be my last reply to you.
I will not be so silly to continue responding to those who have nothing to do but attack me. I am here to learn and to help.

Some may find what I have to say intersting, some may even find some of what I have to say effective if incorporated into their own training. I hope that those poeple will also keep from provoking you and others like you on this post.

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pharaoh1063 wrote:
Dang dude!

That routine of yours is so close to Dorian's that you're gonna have to pay him royalties!...even down to the "coiled spring" analogy!

All kidding aside, best wishes with it.




It is very much like Dorians, he is a HUGE influence on me. I heard him use the analogy in one of his videos on youtube, and it makes perfect sense and gives a good visual.

After trying all kinds of routines, sets, reps, etc, this particular split gave me the best results. I have used a 3 day split in the past to some success, very much like Mentzer's HD1 routine. The problem with the three day was that the chest/shoulders/tris workouts got to be too much overall volume and I don't recover well from them. This limited volume works well, but still allows sufficient stimulation. Every few months I change certain exercises, like using decline bench instead of incline, dumbbell curls instead of machine, etc. Variety is nice every now and again.

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gerry-hitman

jn6047 wrote:
gerry-hitman wrote:
jn6047 wrote:
Taken yesterday, Feb. 20th, 2012

jn6047

Had I continued to use, I know for a FACT that by now I would be as big or bigger than you.

I would be training 4 or 5 days a week with much higher volume and feeling recovered!

Imagine, getting up to 700mg test combined with 300 mg Tren, combined with some other goodies.

Then if I add the HGH, the sky is the limit!

But the price to be paid is its all FAKE.

Not to mention possible serious side effects down the road...


That's very good. That doesn't sound like sour grapes, jealousy, or ignorance at all. Good for you.

I have been clean for about a year, I have made some of the best progress of my life recently. Certainly it's fake, thank you for pointing that out.

This will be my last reply to you.
I will not be so silly to continue responding to those who have nothing to do but attack me. I am here to learn and to help.

Some may find what I have to say intersting, some may even find some of what I have to say effective if incorporated into their own training. I hope that those poeple will also keep from provoking you and others like you on this post.

jn6047


Im not attacking you man, nor am I judging you.

Taking growth/performance drugs is a personal choice, if your happy with it then in IMO there nothing wrong with that.

I must admit to being very tempted to keep going with it, I responded very well no side effects that I noticed...I have always responded well to drugs with no problems.

But the ricks, and there are many...risks from the supply, whats mixed in it? Risks from the local law, risks to health down the road.

And the costs where very high also, was not prepared to commit that much from my income.

But your posting in the wrong site..like yourself every so often a steroid user will come here proudly displaying their pics...99% of the members here could give a shit less about your diet and training advise once they learn you use.

There are many other sites that would gladly receive your advise.

Your not fooling anyone here (well maybe a few)...but again Im not judging you.

Good luck

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jn,
I appreciate you sharing your experience and stories here. Although your volume and frequency is higher than most here, it is also simlar to many here. Don't worry about your detractors, and there is no need to make apologies for provoking someone elses insecurities. That's on them.

They may argue or disagree wth you, but surprisngly will listen to what you have to say. You seem to have a very genune attitude based on your post and willingness to put yourself out there in many ways. Much appreciated and look forward to your contributions to the forum.
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Thanks fbcoach. I find it funny that these people are not insulting me, yet they offhandedly accuse me of trying to fool people.

Serious-Strength; I came across a couple more of my before photos. I scanned this one at work this morning. It came out pretty good.

You will notice on my right shoulder a surgical scar. This is from my accident when I was 14. It is visible in some of my other photos as well. It has faded a bit over the years, but is still plainly visisble. Hope this helps in proving that I am who I am.

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